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Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:12 AM

Dimwit from the Bronx To Introduce Bill Blocking Trump's Emergency Declaration

She’s the stupidest woman alive.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-15/ocasio-cortez-introduce-bill-blocking-trumps-emergency-declaration

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Reply Dimwit from the Bronx To Introduce Bill Blocking Trump's Emergency Declaration (Original post)
Let it go Feb 2019 OP
TheShoe Feb 2019 #1
Carl Feb 2019 #3
TheyLostTheirForums Feb 2019 #4
MumblyPeg Feb 2019 #7
Let it go Feb 2019 #8
TheShoe Feb 2019 #13
Carl Feb 2019 #17
Steelydamned Feb 2019 #42
DDKick Feb 2019 #18
bfox74 Feb 2019 #21
TheShoe Feb 2019 #23
bfox74 Feb 2019 #34
Lowrider1984 Feb 2019 #35
TheShoe Feb 2019 #36
Currentsitguy Feb 2019 #37
Muddling Through Feb 2019 #40
R. Cavu Feb 2019 #41
Ruby Feb 2019 #2
TM999 Feb 2019 #5
Ruby Feb 2019 #9
Let it go Feb 2019 #10
Ruby Feb 2019 #11
Let it go Feb 2019 #12
Ruby Feb 2019 #14
Let it go Feb 2019 #15
Oldgeezer Feb 2019 #19
Ruby Feb 2019 #25
Oldgeezer Feb 2019 #30
Carl Feb 2019 #20
Ruby Feb 2019 #24
Carl Feb 2019 #31
Oldgeezer Feb 2019 #32
fools_gold Feb 2019 #16
Ruby Feb 2019 #22
TM999 Feb 2019 #27
Oldgeezer Feb 2019 #33
TM999 Feb 2019 #26
Ruby Feb 2019 #28
TM999 Feb 2019 #29
Oldgeezer Feb 2019 #43
Isidore Mar 7 #44
Isidore Mar 14 #45
Gunslinger201 Feb 2019 #6
Carlos W Bush Feb 2019 #38
Oldgeezer Feb 2019 #39

Response to Let it go (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:16 AM

1. You feel she stupidest woman alive

Can you please support that with data? Or is it simply your feelings on her?

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:20 AM

3. Her statements are the data.

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:20 AM

4. She's very dumb*

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:21 AM

7. "Can you please support that with data? "

dear Lord you have got to be fucking kidding me...

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:23 AM

8. Her hubris is only matched by her full blown stupid.

The dimmest bulb I’ve ever seen. Most people are smart enough to realize they shouldn’t advertise their ignorance. Not her. She puts it all out there.

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Response to Let it go (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:40 AM

13. So it is only your feelings, right?

That’s cool, I already knew that just wanted to give you a chance to prove your point.

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 12:06 PM

17. Do you really think this is still clever doc?

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:29 PM

42. The fact....

...that she thinks the state of New York just has $3 Billion sitting around that they were going to "give" to Amazon, but can now be used for schools and subways should be all the evidence one needs to reach the conclusion that she has no clue what she's talking about.

I read that Amazon story ONCE and was able to digest the information whereas, Cortez is a dam representative yet was ignorant of the facts. And moreover, people are out in droves defending her stupidity!

There won't be any MENSA plaques on her walls anytime soon....

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 12:08 PM

18. I agree we need data! After all Hillary is imho for losing

To Trump. That takes a special kind of stupid.

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 12:21 PM

21. Yep, just as soon as you provide the data that Trump is a moron,

Trump has a tiny dick, Trump is literally Hitler, Trump grabs pussies, etc.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #21)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 12:25 PM

23. I dont claim any of that.

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 01:29 PM

34. And I didn't claim that AOC was the stupidest woman alive either.

Although I think it's possible.

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 01:57 PM

35. I have to agree with you, Shoe.

She CAN'T be the stupidest woman alive!
Why, I myself, have known some pretty stupid women.
A lot of them were WAAAAAAY stupider than this dim bulb.
After all, they dated ME, didn't they?!

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Response to Lowrider1984 (Reply #35)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 02:13 PM

36. lol!

all true lowrider....

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 02:19 PM

37. Her comments on the $3.5 Billion in the Amazon deal gone south

Is certainly an indicator that she is bereft of economics knowledge.

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:22 PM

40. A quote: "It doesn't matter if I'm factually correct if I'm morally correct.".

It's impossible to be morally correct if one is operating from a factually incorrect premise.

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:25 PM

41. Agreed. Its an overreach



Don’t mess with the big dog

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Response to Let it go (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:17 AM

2. And the senate has to take it up.

Mitch can’t stop it. You know that, right?

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Response to Ruby (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:21 AM

5. Ruby, I have now corrected you at least twice on this.

This is the same as any other bill. Period.

Like any other bill, the Senate can decide to take it up for a vote or not. Period.

Are you capable of learning or are you just going to continue to spout of the NPC bullshit?

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Response to TM999 (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:28 AM

9. Youre wrong in this one.

“According to federal law, Congress can rescind a presidential emergency declaration by passing a joint resolution. In the likely event that such a bill would be vetoed by the President, Congress could then override it with a two-thirds majority in the Senate and the House.

The danger to congressional Republicans isn't having to overcome a presidential veto, but in having to vote on the resolution itself. Any such measure would be considered privileged -- if, for example, the House passed it then the Senate would be required by law to vote on the measure within 18 days. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell would be powerless to stop a floor vote.”

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/02/12/politics/trump-national-emergency-gop/index.html

Lots more links out there.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:32 AM

10. McConnell supports the emergency declaration.

He’s not bringing this to a vote.

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Response to Let it go (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:35 AM

11. He has no choice.

Read the post you respond to.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:36 AM

12. Can. Not must.

McConnell won’t.

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Response to Let it go (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:40 AM

14. Required by law. Read again.

“if, for example, the House passed it then the Senate would be required by law to vote on the measure within 18 days. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell would be powerless to stop a floor vote.”

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Response to Ruby (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:47 AM

15. The house always has bills the Senate wont touch.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 12:15 PM

19. You are Completly misrepresenting this....from your article..

"That would kick off 15-day timeline for the corresponding Senate committee to consider the resolution. The majority-Republican committee would make its recommendation and the resolution would become pending business on the Senate floor, requiring a vote within three days."

The corresponding Senate Cmt. could Very Well disagree with the House version and put the Senate disagreement up for a floor vote. They ARE NOT forced to accept the House version. They get to make THEIR own recommendations..PER your article

Let's pretend it passes both chambers....Dumpster vetoes it.......now you are at the 2/3rds threshold to override

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Response to Oldgeezer (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 12:31 PM

25. Hair splitting.

They’re going to have to go on record as supporting this or not. I’m not sure that’s a position many of them want to be in.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 12:43 PM

30. Goal posts moved...to a Baseball diamond. You gave it a shot..was wrong, but you tried.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 12:18 PM

20. I can find nothing that supports that statement.

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Response to Carl (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 12:28 PM

24. 1622 (c) (1)

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Response to Ruby (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 12:46 PM

31. It does not say what the article stipulates.

The Senate does not have to take up a House resolution verbatim,they can create their own differing one or simply reject action. (3) (4)

(b) Termination review of national emergencies by Congress Not later than six months after a national emergency is declared, and not later than the end of each six-month period thereafter that such emergency continues, each House of Congress shall meet to consider a vote on a joint resolution to determine whether that emergency shall be terminated.

(c) Joint resolution; referral to Congressional committees; conference committee in event of disagreement; filing of report; termination procedure deemed part of rules of House and Senate

(1) A joint resolution to terminate a national emergency declared by the President shall be referred to the appropriate committee of the House of Representatives or the Senate, as the case may be. One such joint resolution shall be reported out by such committee together with its recommendations within fifteen calendar days after the day on which such resolution is referred to such committee, unless such House shall otherwise determine by the yeas and nays.

(2) Any joint resolution so reported shall become the pending business of the House in question (in the case of the Senate the time for debate shall be equally divided between the proponents and the opponents) and shall be voted on within three calendar days after the day on which such resolution is reported, unless such House shall otherwise determine by yeas and nays.

(3) Such a joint resolution passed by one House shall be referred to the appropriate committee of the other House and shall be reported out by such committee together with its recommendations within fifteen calendar days after the day on which such resolution is referred to such committee and shall thereupon become the pending
business of such House and shall be voted upon within three calendar days after the day on which such resolution is reported, unless such House shall otherwise determine by yeas and nays.

(4) In the case of any disagreement between the two Houses of Congress with respect to a joint resolution passed by both Houses, conferees shall be promptly appointed and the committee of conference shall make and file a report with respect to such joint resolution within six calendar days after the day on which managers on the part of the Senate and the House have been appointed.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 12:49 PM

32. You left out (4)

(4) In the case of any disagreement between the two Houses of Congress with respect to a joint resolution passed by both Houses, conferees shall be promptly appointed and the committee of conference shall make and file a report with respect to such joint resolution within six calendar days after the day on which managers on the part of the Senate and the House have been appointed. Notwithstanding any rule in either House concerning the printing of conference reports or concerning any delay in the consideration of such reports, such report shall be acted on by both Houses not later than six calendar days after the conference report is filed in the House in which such report is filed first. In the event the conferees are unable to agree within forty-eight hours, they shall report back to their respective Houses in disagreement.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:49 AM

16. Your CNN source cites a House rule for priviledge

not a Senate rule. You got a Senate rule?

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/98-315.pdf

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Response to fools_gold (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 12:23 PM

22. The requirement of the Senate to take up the houses bill is...

Part of the National Emergencies Act.

Ҥ1622. National emergencies
(a) Termination methods
Any national emergency declared by the President in accordance with this subchapter shall terminate if—
(1) there is enacted into law a joint resolution terminating the emergency; or
(2) the President issues a proclamation terminating the emergency.

Any national emergency declared by the President shall be terminated on the date specified in any joint resolution referred to in clause (1) or on the date specified in a proclamation by the President terminating the emergency as provided in clause (2) of this subsection, whichever date is earlier, and any powers or authorities exercised by reason of said emergency shall cease to be exercised after such specified date, except that such termination shall not affect—
(A) any action taken or proceeding pending not finally concluded or determined on such date;
(B) any action or proceeding based on any act committed prior to such date; or
(C) any rights or duties that matured or penalties that were incurred prior to such date.
(b) Termination review of national emergencies by Congress
Not later than six months after a national emergency is declared, and not later than the end of each six-month period thereafter that such emergency continues, each House of Congress shall meet to consider a vote on a joint resolution to determine whether that emergency shall be terminated.
(c) Joint resolution; referral to Congressional committees; conference committee in event of disagreement; filing of report; termination procedure deemed part of rules of House and Senate
(1) A joint resolution to terminate a national emergency declared by the President shall be referred to the appropriate committee of the House of Representatives or the Senate, as the case may be. One such joint resolution shall be reported out by such committee together with its recommendations within fifteen calendar days after the day on which such resolution is referred to such committee, unless such House shall otherwise determine by the yeas and nays.”

http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title50/chapter34&edition=prelim

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Response to Ruby (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 12:35 PM

27. Read the damned subsection Ruby.

(1) A joint resolution to terminate a national emergency declared by the President shall be referred to the appropriate committee of the House of Representatives or the Senate, as the case may be. One such joint resolution shall be reported out by such committee together with its recommendations within fifteen calendar days after the day on which such resolution is referred to such committee, unless such House shall otherwise determine by the yeas and nays.”

It may start in the House but it can be stopped in committee in the Senate. Therefore, yes, McConnell does not have to take it to the floor for a vote if it does not pass committee. Period.

This is civics 101. Come on. All bills/joint resolutions follow these guidelines. It starts in committee, doesn't pass, and never makes it to the floor. It starts in committee, does pass, makes it to the floor, gets the votes, and goes to the Senate committee. If it passes, then it goes for a vote. If it doesn't, then it does not go for a full vote. There is nothing special about a joint resolution to end an emergency declaration.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 12:52 PM

33. And (4)....

(4) In the case of any disagreement between the two Houses of Congress with respect to a joint resolution passed by both Houses, conferees shall be promptly appointed and the committee of conference shall make and file a report with respect to such joint resolution within six calendar days after the day on which managers on the part of the Senate and the House have been appointed. Notwithstanding any rule in either House concerning the printing of conference reports or concerning any delay in the consideration of such reports, such report shall be acted on by both Houses not later than six calendar days after the conference report is filed in the House in which such report is filed first. In the event the conferees are unable to agree within forty-eight hours, they shall report back to their respective Houses in disagreement.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 12:33 PM

26. Again, I am not.

Like most with TDS, this writer jumps the conclusion instead of dealing with each step carefully.

From the ZeroHedge article:

Under the NEA, a joint resolution to terminate a declared national emergency must be reported out of the committee of jurisdiction within 15 calendar days and considered on the floor within 3 calendar days after being reported. The joint resolution must then be referred to the appropriate committee of the Senate with an identical expedited process and timeline.

So the House will pass it through committee and then vote. It will pass the House due to Democratic majority. There is no danger to House Republicans. Why would there be? Even if some vote with the Democrats, it is irrelevant to the next step.

So once it passes then, it must go to the appropriate committee in the Senate where the process repeats. The GOP hold the majority so there is no chance of it passing committee and therefore will never see a floor vote in the Senate.

I really do wish the left would educate themselves on civics but instead their TDS is overwhelming their reasoning faculties. This author 'hopes' there is a political danger to the Congressional Republicans. So what? He 'wants' this to happen so he ignores that the law actually states that the Senate must follow the same process as the House and can definitely deny a floor vote from ever happening. He is so sure this is true that he then makes the very false final statement that McConnell would be powerless to stop a floor vote. That is simply bullshit.

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Response to TM999 (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 12:39 PM

28. I guess well see. This has never happened so...

Also, I’m not so sure it has “no chance” of passing committee. Again, we’ll see.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #28)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 12:42 PM

29. Can't admit you were wrong?

It will pass committee in the House.

It will not pass committee in the Senate. McConnell has already said publicly he supports the funding bill and the emergency declaration which means he has the votes in committee to stop it. Period.

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Response to TM999 (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 06:09 PM

43. Too late..Ruby ran for the tall grass

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Response to Ruby (Reply #28)

Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:34 AM

44. McConnell: It's clear Senate will vote against Trump's national emergency

...

McConnell said it's clear the U.S. Senate will have the votes to pass a resolution of disapproval, which seeks to block the emergency declaration, but he said it will be vetoed by the president and, "in all likelihood," the veto would be upheld by the House of Representatives.

"I was one of those hoping the president would not take the national emergency route," McConnell told reporters Monday in Louisville. "Once you decide to do that, I said I would support it, but I was hoping he wouldn't take that particular path."

Asked by a Courier Journal reporter whether he was concerned future Democratic presidents would use a similar tactic to fund issues like climate change or gun control, McConnell said he was.

"That's one reason I argued — obviously without success — to the president that he not take this route," McConnell said.

...

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/04/mitch-mcconnell-says-senate-vote-against-trump-national-emergency/3056642002/

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Response to TM999 (Reply #26)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 07:04 PM

45. So, why didn't McConnell prevent this from being voted on?

Senate votes to block Trump’s border emergency declaration, in bipartisan rebuke teeing up veto

By Adam Shaw | Fox News

Senate Republicans joined their Democratic colleagues on Thursday in voting to block President Trump’s border emergency declaration -- a move that will prompt the president's first-ever veto.

The president made his intentions crystal clear, tweeting "VETO!" moments after the resolution cleared Congress. The White House said Trump likely would issue the veto Friday.

The measure passed 59-41 as a dozen Republicans joined Democrats in voting for the resolution, despite White House efforts to keep the GOP united on the issue of border security. Those GOP members who backed the resolution cited concerns about the expansion of presidential powers.

...

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/senate-republicans-join-dems-in-voting-to-rebuke-trumps-border-emergency-declaration

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Response to Let it go (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:21 AM

6. Castro and Velveeta Perone, How Apropos



Please Democrats Don't remove her....she's a laugh riot

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Response to Let it go (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 02:23 PM

38. I'm pretty sure Malaise is stupider than AOC.

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Response to Carlos W Bush (Reply #38)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:18 PM

39. I don't know...can you get dumber than green jello...Occasional Cortex dumb?

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