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Mon Feb 18, 2019, 09:24 PM

The US Constitution Article I, Section 9

Near the bottom


No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.

https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/article-i-section-9/

So for all of you strict Constitutionalists out there, what say you?

Congress appropriated 1.4 billion. Crooked Donnie wants to take ay least 8 billion.

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Salaam Feb 2019 OP
Post removed Feb 2019 #1
Salaam Feb 2019 #2
rahtruelies Feb 2019 #4
nolidad Feb 2019 #19
rahtruelies Feb 2019 #3
Salaam Feb 2019 #5
bfox74 Feb 2019 #15
nolidad Feb 2019 #20
nolidad Feb 2019 #21
Salaam Feb 2019 #25
nolidad Feb 2019 #28
Charlie Mike Feb 2019 #6
Currentsitguy Feb 2019 #7
Salaam Feb 2019 #24
Currentsitguy Feb 2019 #26
Carl Feb 2019 #27
oflguy Feb 2019 #8
quad489 Feb 2019 #11
Lifelong Feb 2019 #9
oflguy Feb 2019 #12
batcat Feb 2019 #13
PrescientWon. Feb 2019 #14
bfox74 Feb 2019 #16
MumblyPeg Feb 2019 #10
Valishin Feb 2019 #17
Carl Feb 2019 #18
nolidad Feb 2019 #22
Dumper Feb 2019 #23

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Response to Post removed (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 18, 2019, 09:35 PM

2. A strict Constitutionalist?

No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 18, 2019, 09:40 PM

4. npc alert

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Response to Salaam (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:16 AM

19. That is why he signed a national emergency!

Because that is the lawful way Congress said could be used to get additional funds.

Congress also passed 10USC284 which Trump also invoked (also a law passed by Congress) which allows the military to spend to build "barriers" along the national border!

So see Trump is following the law. He also listed what he wanted to spend it on as the law that a democratic congress passed requires!

Also the law also passed by Congress allows the executive branch to spend at its discretion all funds taken by RICO convictions!

So where is Trump breaking one single law???

See Salaam as a strict Constitutionalist I believe that as long as 10USC2808 and 10USC284 are laws of the land- they allow for moneys already appropriated to be re channeled according to the provisions of those laws!

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2019, 09:40 PM

3. money already appropriated and under the control of the Executive branch as to how it is spent

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 18, 2019, 09:41 PM

5. wrong.

all wrong.

Money is appropriated for specific Bills.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 03:33 AM

15. Wrong.

All wrong.

The money has already been appropriated for specific bills.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:22 AM

20. Excep when it is not!

Here is 10 USC284--pay attention to #7 also no where does it call for Congress to preapprove the money for these purposes!


a)Support to Other Agencies.—The Secretary of Defense may provide support for the counterdrug activities or activities to counter transnational organized crime of any other department or agency of the Federal Government or of any State, local, tribal, or foreign law enforcement agency for any of the purposes set forth in subsection (b) or (c), as applicable, if—
(1) in the case of support described in subsection (b), such support is requested—
(A) by the official who has responsibility for the counterdrug activities or activities to counter transnational organized crime of the department or agency of the Federal Government, in the case of support for other departments or agencies of the Federal Government; or
(B) by the appropriate official of a State, local, or tribal government, in the case of support for State, local, or tribal law enforcement agencies; or
(2) in the case of support described in subsection (c), such support is requested by an appropriate official of a department or agency of the Federal Government, in coordination with the Secretary of State, that has counterdrug responsibilities or responsibilities for countering transnational organized crime.
(b)Types of Support for Agencies of United States.—The purposes for which the Secretary may provide support under subsection (a) for other departments or agencies of the Federal Government or a State, local, or tribal law enforcement agencies, are the following:
(1) The maintenance and repair of equipment that has been made available to any department or agency of the Federal Government or to any State, local, or tribal government by the Department of Defense for the purposes of—
(A) preserving the potential future utility of such equipment for the Department of Defense; and
(B) upgrading such equipment to ensure the compatibility of that equipment with equipment used by the Department.
(3) The transportation of personnel of the United States and foreign countries (including per diem expenses associated with such transportation), and the transportation of supplies and equipment, for the purpose of facilitating counterdrug activities or activities to counter transnational organized crime within or outside the United States.
(4) The establishment (including an unspecified minor military construction project) and operation of bases of operations or training facilities for the purpose of facilitating counterdrug activities or activities to counter transnational organized crime of the Department of Defense or any Federal, State, local, or tribal law enforcement agency within or outside the United States.
(5) Counterdrug or counter-transnational organized crime related training of law enforcement personnel of the Federal Government, of State, local, and tribal governments, including associated support expenses for trainees and the provision of materials necessary to carry out such training.
(6) The detection, monitoring, and communication of the movement of—
(A) air and sea traffic within 25 miles of and outside the geographic boundaries of the United States; and
(B) surface traffic outside the geographic boundary of the United States and within the United States not to exceed 25 miles of the boundary if the initial detection occurred outside of the boundary.
(7) Construction of roads and fences and installation of lighting to block drug smuggling corridors across international boundaries of the United States.
(8) Establishment of command, control, communications, and computer networks for improved integration of law enforcement, active military, and National Guard activities.
(9) The provision of linguist and intelligence analysis services.
(10) Aerial and ground reconnaissance.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:25 AM

21. Another law passed by Congress for your reading pleasure!

10 U.S. Code § 2808 - Construction authority in the event of a declaration of war or national emergency
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(a) In the event of a declaration of war or the declaration by the President of a national emergency in accordance with the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.) that requires use of the armed forces, the Secretary of Defense, without regard to any other provision of law, may undertake military construction projects, and may authorize the Secretaries of the military departments to undertake military construction projects, not otherwise authorized by law that are necessary to support such use of the armed forces. Such projects may be undertaken only within the total amount of funds that have been appropriated for military construction, including funds appropriated for family housing, that have not been obligated.
(b) When a decision is made to undertake military construction projects authorized by this section, the Secretary of Defense shall notify, in an electronic medium pursuant to section 480 of this title, the appropriate committees of Congress of the decision and of the estimated cost of the construction projects, including the cost of any real estate action pertaining to those construction projects.
(c) The authority described in subsection (a) shall terminate with respect to any war or national emergency at the end of the war or national emergency.
(Added Pub. L. 97–214, § 2(a), July 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 157; amended Pub. L. 115–91, div. B, title XXVIII, § 2801(a)(6), Dec. 12, 2017, 131 Stat. 1841.)

Sooooooo: The Sec. of Defense needs not ask congress for any money- just report to congress in how he spent the money he spent!

Congress already appropriated teh money- but due to exigent circumstances- they passed a law to allow the executive branch to rechannel funds!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 20, 2019, 03:20 PM

25. Thanks for making my case.

your excerpt

"Such projects may be undertaken only within the total amount of funds that have been appropriated for military construction, including funds appropriated for family housing, that have not been obligated."

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Response to Salaam (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 07:50 AM

28. Wrong it does not make your case.

What it means is if congress appropriated $10 billion for military construction and none have been spent yet- Sec. Def can reallocate up to $10 billion for barrier construction at will. He only need inform congress not get new approval to reallocate those $10 billion already approved.

And that is 10USC2808 which requires an emergency dec.

10USC284 needs no emergency dec.

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2019, 09:44 PM

6. The NE law allows appropriated money to be reprogrammed (a thing lefty cannot do).

There have been dozens of NEs. No one bitched until you traitors lost the election.

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2019, 09:48 PM

7. The money was ALREADY APPROPRIATED

It is discretionary. The Executive gets to decide the exact allocation. The House allocates it. It does not get to micromanage it once it approves the cash. The President has full authority within what is allocated to determine spending priorities. The President also has sole authority to determine what is, and what is not a National Emergency. within the constraints of the Constitution. Other than to attempt a Congressional override, which the President can veto, they have no input.

Reread your Constitution 101.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #7)

Wed Feb 20, 2019, 03:18 PM

24. LOL

Nice try.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #24)

Wed Feb 20, 2019, 03:55 PM

26. It's not my problem you don't know the law or the Constitution.

You also apparently don't know there was a Supreme Court decision giving the President the ability to veto a Congressional vote to terminate a state of emergency.

Good luck with the supermajority in both houses.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #24)

Wed Feb 20, 2019, 04:00 PM

27. Care to weigh in or will you run away?

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2019, 09:57 PM

8. But you don't believe in the Constitution

At least not the US Constitution

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Response to oflguy (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 18, 2019, 11:18 PM

11. Alerted on by some coward.................

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2019, 10:14 PM

9. Congress gave the most they would give for funding of the wall.

Trump agreed to this amount by signing the bill. Now he wants more funding when Congress already gave the most they would give. So Trump wants to go off and grab funds from other areas that were funded by Congress with the total amount Congress would allow. What are they suppose to do now if Trump takes funding from them? Congress already gave what they could for this. They go without. Maybe Trump should take the wall funding and use it for other areas.

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Response to Lifelong (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:23 AM

12. Did you complain when Obama gave Iraq 109 Billion?

Did Congress authorize that?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 02:08 AM

13. But that was Obama not Trump. ...

Everything Obama did was wonderful but everything Trump does is evil.

At least according to our Ministry of Propaganda and Enlightenment aka the liberal MSM.

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Response to Lifelong (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 03:20 AM

14. Executive Powers give him that right. Period.

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Response to Lifelong (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 03:37 AM

16. Right. So he'll take the rest from other previously approved congressional sources.

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2019, 10:55 PM

10. well then maybe you should team up with us in pushing for limited government instead of

"deeming" things passed on congress and ramming ACA bills up everyones ass.
Maybe work with us bible-clinging, gun-clinging deplorable instead of cheering at any push for your agendas at any cost and by any method.
If you want respect, don't tell the minority party to "get in the back seat" anymore. Dont hire Gruber to fucking lie to the public in order to push a flawed and expensive socialist program that hurts everyone.
Are you getting it yet?
That's right, politics are circular and there are consequences to acting like tyrants when in charge... because it won't stay that way, it never does.

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 05:30 AM

17. Congress gave the

Executive branch the power to redirect appropreated funds to address declared national emergencies. Congress also left the definition of a national emergency up to the Executive branch. So Congress has already passed a bill that authorized this distribution and it was signed into law. Now maybe that was a bad idea, in which case they should pass a bill to remove that previous authorization and get it signed into law. If they can't get the President to agree then maybe they need to refuse to appropriate any funding at all so none is available to be redirected.

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 06:34 AM

18. How dare a President!!

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/314624-obama-injects-another-500m-into-global-climate-fund

"Obama in 2014 pledged $3 billion for the program by 2020, but he couldn’t get congressional Republicans to agree to the plan.

Congress never appropriated money for the GCF, but lawmakers didn't explicitly block the State Department from finding funding for the program elsewhere in its budget, which is what the Obama administration did to pay for the two $500 million payments."

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2019, 12:07 PM

22. You can't win Saalam

Congress appropriated the funds-and then when the democratic congress passed the emergency powers act- they allowed the president to reallocate in specific ways without their approval already appropriated funds to deal with a declared emergency!

Congress did the same thing when they passed the Fed Reserve ACt! They relinquished their authority over the minting of money!

Now whether they were right or wrong acts is another argument!

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2019, 12:10 PM

23. And Obama's SCROTUS regularly reversed, 9-0, his assertion of Pres. Powers? I bet yiou

went ballistic when THAT happened?

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