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Tue Mar 12, 2019, 09:41 AM

I'm in favor of imprisoning admitted socialists.

Anyone who actively supports a system that deprives Americans of fundamental freedoms deserves to have theirs taken away.

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Reply I'm in favor of imprisoning admitted socialists. (Original post)
Carlos W Bush Mar 12 OP
Boadicea Mar 12 #1
def_con5 Mar 12 #5
Boadicea Mar 12 #7
Carlos W Bush Mar 12 #6
KittyCatIdiots Mar 12 #13
Charlie Mike Mar 12 #14
Boadicea Mar 12 #15
Charlie Mike Mar 12 #16
Tovera Mar 12 #25
Gunslinger201 Mar 12 #2
_eek Mar 12 #3
Carlos W Bush Mar 12 #4
_eek Mar 12 #8
fools_gold Mar 12 #9
_eek Mar 12 #10
fools_gold Mar 12 #11
KittyCatIdiots Mar 12 #12
jh4freedom Mar 12 #17
Steelydamned Mar 12 #18
KittyCatIdiots Mar 12 #19
Horsefeathers Mar 12 #20
kevlar Mar 12 #21
jh4freedom Mar 13 #29
kevlar Mar 13 #30
jh4freedom Mar 13 #33
fuel Mar 13 #35
kevlar Mar 14 #36
KittyCatIdiots Mar 15 #38
fuel Mar 13 #34
Cold Warrior Mar 12 #22
MumblyPeg Mar 12 #23
Carlos W Bush Mar 12 #26
MumblyPeg Mar 12 #27
Steelydamned Mar 12 #24
KittyCatIdiots Mar 14 #37
Red Hornet Mar 12 #28
KittyCatIdiots Mar 13 #31
KittyCatIdiots Mar 13 #32
KittyCatIdiots Mar 16 #39

Response to Carlos W Bush (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 09:45 AM

1. yeah-but this could be used for other groups as well....

I'm in favor of imprisoning admitted "Christians, atheists, congressmen," etc.

Anyone who actively supports a system that deprives Americans of fundamental freedoms deserves to have theirs taken away.

Atheists think Christians are trying to take away rights and vice versa..

Congressmen want power...

People are free to think and support what they want. That's what's great about this country and it's why it's important to pay attention and VOTE.

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Response to Boadicea (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 09:53 AM

5. Good point

Still, you sure you don't want to rethink throwing congressmen in the slam?

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Response to def_con5 (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 09:56 AM

7. While many deserve it, I have found that those in power decide what is right and what is wrong

Let the crooks go free to keep the ones that are not crooks free.

I have yet to meet a politician that is not dirty in some way though...

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Response to Boadicea (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 09:53 AM

6. Good points.

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Response to Boadicea (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 10:51 AM

14. We're already to the point of people being assaulted for wearing hats.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #14)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 10:57 AM

15. Being assaulted and imprisoning those of different political views are two different things.

People can be charged for assault for the hats or sued...When you start advocating imprisonment for ideas that don't mesh with yours, that's wrong. People in charge today can say imprison socialists...in the future, people in charge can say Imprison capitalists, people who have more than one baby, christians, gay people, etc...

It's not an avenue that I am willing to go down.

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Response to Boadicea (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:35 PM

16. "People can be charged for assault for the hats"

Except that is a rarity.

The law has become meaningless.

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Response to Boadicea (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 02:04 PM

25. Excellent response.

And certainly more useful than my initial reaction ("Feel free to try.").

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Response to Carlos W Bush (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 09:46 AM

2. Well we used to teach Civics

That would go a long way to show what is wrong with Communism/Socialism

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Response to Carlos W Bush (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 09:47 AM

3. Socialism as a political system is not any more inherently anti-freedom than capitalism

but that's addressing the theory aspect. The self proclaimed Socialist out there now.. Yeah, they are advocating for a practice that is, but...

as a lover of Freedom itself, I am going to oppose freedom being infringed, even in defense of freedom.

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Response to _eek (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 09:50 AM

4. How is capitalism anti-freedom?

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Response to Carlos W Bush (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 09:58 AM

8. How is it pro?

It isn't, freedom is not tethered to any financial system.

Capitalism as it is practiced here in America does often run up against complete independence and freedom.

You miss my point, these systems, as theory, are not bound by or limited by each other. It is how they are practiced that makes them enemies, or friends of the ideas of Liberty and Freedom.

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Response to _eek (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 10:07 AM

9. How can you say that?

Under Socialism you do not have the freedom to own any means of production.

Definition of socialism
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

You (an individual) are restricted from owning any means of production, and in some definitions, any private property at all. How is that not anti-freedom?



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Response to fools_gold (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 10:14 AM

10. There are co-op models that are not political systems.

Again, you miss the point, or do not understand the actual systems being described.

In theory, socialism is not anti freedom, but the theory itself is flawed, by failing to take any count of REAL human nature.

AS i said .

In theory capitalism is not anti freedom, in practice it also has been anti freedom as well.

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Response to _eek (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 10:22 AM

11. I suppose if you can use any definition you wish

you can make any argument you want.

I used the definition of Socialism from a respected dictionary source.

Hence the real problem:, we don't have common definitions of many things we think we are discussing.

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Response to Carlos W Bush (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 01:23 PM

17. Eugene V. Debs

Debs was the Socialist Party of America candidate for President in 1904, 1908, 1912 and 1920. In the 1904 election, Debs received 402,810 votes, which was 3.0% of the popular vote. Debs received no electoral votes and with vice presidential candidate Ben Hanford ultimately finished third overall. In the 1908 election, Debs again ran on the same ticket as Hanford. While receiving a slightly higher number of votes in the popular vote (420,852), he received 2.8% of the popular vote and no electoral votes. Debs received 6.0% of the popular vote (a total of 901,551 votes) in 1912. In the election in Florida, he finished second behind Wilson and ahead of President William Howard Taft and former President Teddy Roosevelt. Running alongside Emil Seidel, Debs again received no electoral votes. His total of 913,693 votes in the 1920 campaign, when women finally had the federal right to vote, remains the all-time high for a Socialist Party candidate.—Wikipedia

There is no law in the United States against being a socialist, a communist, a Nazi or a Ku Klux Klan member, etc.
In America we don’t punish people for their thoughts, ideas and philosophies.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #17)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 01:38 PM

18. Yes, I agree with this.

As soon as you begin jailing people for political philosophies - regardless of how stupid and economically harmful they may be - ; in time, your own philosophy may fall out of favor, making you the next target for incarceration.

But then again, I'm not big on prisons anyway. Only the most violent and depraved among us should be sent to prison.

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Response to KittyCatIdiots (Reply #19)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 01:45 PM

20. What?

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #17)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 01:50 PM

21. "In America we dont punish people for their thoughts, ideas and philosophies."

Nonsense.

Leftists regularly call for the ouster of people whose thoughts, ideas and philosophies do not match their own.

Hate crime laws punish thoughts.

As always, you are full of crap.

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Response to kevlar (Reply #21)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 02:21 AM

29. The First Amendment

Gives us all the right to “call for” whatever we want. You appear not to know the difference between expressing a point of view and implementing imprisonment by government action.
Your ignorance of what constitutes a hate crime is embarrassing. From the Trump Administration’s FBI web site:
“Defining a Hate Crime
A hate crime is a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias. For the purposes of collecting statistics, the FBI has defined a hate crime as a ‘criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity.’ Hate itself is not a crime—and the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties.”
https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/civil-rights/hate-crimes
As usual, you don’t have a clue.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #29)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 10:36 AM

30. You appear to be full of it.

as always.

Lefty propagandists are that way.

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Response to kevlar (Reply #30)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 03:07 PM

33. I just love it

When I can reduce a righty to nothing but ad hominems! It smells like..........VIC’TRY.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #33)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 07:48 AM

36. If only that were the case.

Victory would be if your propaganda had the desired effect.

It does not.

Being a lefty I can understand your need for a victory, no matter how small.

The only thing you have reduced is your own credibility and the attention given your posts.

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Response to Carlos W Bush (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 01:55 PM

22. Alerted. Leave

It would be interesting to know if a Liberal or a Conservative alerted.

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Response to Carlos W Bush (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 01:56 PM

23. it appears that you've really upset the lurking DUmpasses, I've been on a jury for this

post two times now.
poor, petulant qu00b squad

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Response to MumblyPeg (Reply #23)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 04:21 PM

26. Did you vote to hide?

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Response to Carlos W Bush (Reply #26)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 06:52 PM

27. of course not.

even though I think you are a rotten bastard sometimes and you feel the same likewise.

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Response to Carlos W Bush (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 02:00 PM

24. What is up with everyone...

..both right and left, becoming a bunch of incarceration groupies?

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Response to Carlos W Bush (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:37 PM

28. I'm a socialist

I don't want to deprive anyone of their rights, so I should not have my rights taken away. I believe in the Bill of Rights, including the 2nd amendment. I don't believe in a welfare state (not a social democrat like Bernie or AOC) I don't believe in a workers state seizing property from business owners (Stalinism) I like worker cooperatives, labor and credit unions. If socialism is supposed to be "workers control of the means of production" then that sounds like a worker cooperative instead of taxing the shit out of people and having a massive welfare state and then call it "socialism" like the social-democratic Nordic countries or having the government own everything like a Stalinist shithole.

I don't think that if somebody has a different political viewpoint that they should go to prison, even the KKK and neo-Nazis. Until somebody does something illegal, they have the same rights as the rest of us.

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