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Fri Apr 12, 2019, 07:56 PM

Followers of Republicanism only: Is there anything illogical about Trump's sanctuary release plan?

Non-followers of Republicanism, don't help them! Let them work it out.

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Reply Followers of Republicanism only: Is there anything illogical about Trump's sanctuary release plan? (Original post)
swifty Apr 2019 OP
GoldwatersSoul Apr 2019 #1
Carlos W Bush Apr 2019 #4
Tolk Apr 2019 #11
Lira Apr 2019 #12
Solesurvivor Apr 2019 #2
JanetS Apr 2019 #3
Real-life karma Apr 2019 #5
Da Mannn Apr 2019 #9
Qukid Apr 2019 #10
Lira Apr 2019 #13
Carlos W Bush Apr 2019 #14
kevlar Apr 2019 #16
Real-life karma Apr 2019 #23
kevlar Apr 2019 #28
Real-life karma Apr 2019 #30
Charlie Mike Apr 2019 #19
Real-life karma Apr 2019 #24
quad489 Apr 2019 #21
Jond414 Apr 2019 #26
Let it go Apr 2019 #6
R. Cavu Apr 2019 #7
foia Apr 2019 #8
New Deal Democrat Apr 2019 #15
Charlie Mike Apr 2019 #20
foia Apr 2019 #22
New Deal Democrat Apr 2019 #29
foia Apr 2019 #31
New Deal Democrat Apr 2019 #32
foia Apr 2019 #33
New Deal Democrat Apr 2019 #35
foia Apr 2019 #36
New Deal Democrat Apr 2019 #37
foia Apr 2019 #38
Dumper Apr 2019 #34
Zuckerberg Hater Apr 2019 #17
Carl Apr 2019 #18
Jond414 Apr 2019 #27
nolidad Apr 2019 #25

Response to swifty (Original post)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 07:58 PM

1. Im not a Republican...

but the Trump idea has no less logic than reducing the number of detainees we can hold.

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Response to GoldwatersSoul (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 08:04 PM

4. By letting them all in to do whatever the fuck they want?

Isn't that exactly what he's trying to avoid?

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Response to Carlos W Bush (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 08:40 PM

11. A leftist judge ruled they have to be let in

 

Common sense would dictate that we just let them pile up on the southern side of the border.

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Response to Carlos W Bush (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 08:42 PM

12. Basically

It is a twist on the Cloward-Piven strategy. Pelosi is already screaming about it, so he must be on to something.

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Response to swifty (Original post)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 08:01 PM

2. Whatever negatives come from doing will be far outweighed

By the sheer panic and overcrowding/eating up of resources to make it okay

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Response to swifty (Original post)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 08:04 PM

3. Yes, there's nothing keeping them there.

They should be deported back to their home country. No exceptions.

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Response to swifty (Original post)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 08:12 PM

5. so you haven't noticed

What Trump says and does, it doesn't matter. He can say up is down at 5pm, send out a tweet at 6am saying down is in fact down after consulting with the best people, and at 11 in the morning after Fox and Friends has corrected him - be back to up is down.

All the while - his loyal ranks here question nothing. Well, nothing Trump.

Pointing out his many failings will only lead to you being alerted on, or at least ridiculed by snide remarks bordering on personal attacks.

Hell, one of their own dared question that almighty Trump on a couple of occasions and he's still taking alerts for bullshit reasons like "commercial spam." The cult-like devotion would make L. Ron Hubbard envious.

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Response to Real-life karma (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 08:34 PM

9. Alerted. No Hide from me.

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Response to Real-life karma (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 08:35 PM

10. ...

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Response to Qukid (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 08:44 PM

13. I bowed out of that one....

The alert was too stupid to waste a nano second on trying to figure out the problem.

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Response to Qukid (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 08:46 PM

14. So thats what a jury notice looks like.

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Response to Real-life karma (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 09:05 PM

16. Pure lefty nonsense.

The same shit you have been shoveling for two years still isn't selling.

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Response to kevlar (Reply #16)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 10:43 PM

23. As stated -

Pointing out his many failings will only lead to you being alerted on, or at least ridiculed by snide remarks bordering on personal attacks.

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Response to Real-life karma (Reply #23)

Sat Apr 13, 2019, 09:57 AM

28. Most of what leftists post is bullshit.

You can call it what you like, it is still nonsense.

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Response to kevlar (Reply #28)

Sat Apr 13, 2019, 11:05 AM

30. Nonsense? So are most of your replies to me Kev.

I made a point.

Your reply has nothing to do with the point I made.

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Response to Real-life karma (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 09:33 PM

19. Lefty demands criminals be allowed in by the millions. Your corrupt judges usurp power.

Your traitor politicians favor foreign invaders over the children of fallen Service Members.

And we just got you to show yourselves as the two faced hypocrites you are.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #19)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 10:44 PM

24. Like I said -

Pointing out his many failings will only lead to you being alerted on, or at least ridiculed by snide remarks bordering on personal attacks.

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Response to Real-life karma (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 09:55 PM

21. ''All the while - his loyal ranks here question nothing''...the irony of Obama supporters is so rich

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Response to Real-life karma (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 13, 2019, 07:31 AM

26. Hear here!

Great post!

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Response to swifty (Original post)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 08:22 PM

6. Nothing. Let those who want the illegals keep the illegals.

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Response to swifty (Original post)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 08:29 PM

7. By illogical, you mean unintentional negative consequences

Political or otherwise

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Response to swifty (Original post)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 08:29 PM

8. I'm a fiscal conservative, not a Republican

But I imagine that what you're alluding to is that they're less likely to be caught and deported if sent to sanctuary cities. However, there's still plenty to be caught in places that follow federal law. And the sanctuary cities welcome the diversity of illegal aliens.

It's a win-win.

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Response to foia (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 08:55 PM

15. As a fiscal conservative, which party do you like best, Democratic or Republican?

"Neither" is not a valid answer. Please pick one or the other.

Since you are not a Republican, please tell me: Have you ever voted for a presidential candidate in the general election who was not a Republican? Ross Perot doesn't count.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #15)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 09:36 PM

20. If you're going to push poll

we get to tell you where to push it.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #15)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 10:18 PM

22. Ross Perot is a loon.

I always vote for the Republican candidate because their lies are more in line with my ideology than Democrats' lies. The only exception is when McCain ran. I didn't vote for president that year because I don't like McCain. Yeah, he was a hero in Nam but a crappy senator and Obama was a lock anyhow.

ETA: I didn't vote in 2000 because I was out of the country and my absentee ballot didn't show up before I flew to Australia.

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Response to foia (Reply #22)

Sat Apr 13, 2019, 10:41 AM

29. So you are not a Republican but you always vote for them and you favor their policies.

What's the difference?

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #29)

Sat Apr 13, 2019, 11:32 AM

31. The difference is that the career pols are full of shit.

They blow a lot of hot air but their primary objective is just to stay in office and not rock the boat. (swamp)

I don't always agree with Rand Paul but I respect the fact that he at least has some principles that he sticks to even if it's against the Republican establishment.

I was happy to vote for Trump (and glad that I did) because he wasn't a career pol and I thought he might actually follow through on his campaign promises, especially with respect to immigration, renegotiating trade deals and making it easier for American businesses to be successful. All of the other candidates talked the talk, especially with respect to immigration, but nobody's done squat about most of those things other than talk.

Trump may be kind of a dick but he works hard to actually follow through and has accomplished quite a bit that I approve of. I'd like to see more people like President Trump at all levels of government.

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Response to foia (Reply #31)

Sun Apr 14, 2019, 12:06 AM

32. I get it, you can't be blamed for anything Republicans do because you are not a Republican.

All you do is vote for them exclusively and promote their ideologies. I met a lot of people just like you at the end of GWB's 8 years, when the economy was collapsing all around us. All the Republicans had morphed into independents or something, and they made that retroactive. Except that they had voted for Republicans their whole lives and continue to do so.

If you are really a fiscal conservative, you should not be a Democrat instead of not being a Republican. GHWB was probably the last Republican who even pretended to be a fiscal conservative, but Democrats have always been better at it. Here I will share an old article with you that proves my point

Democratic Superiority, by the Numbers

It has not escaped notice that the Republican Party has been fiscally misbehaving. But it hasn't really sunk in how completely Republicans have abandoned allegedly Republican values -- if in fact they ever really had such values.

Our text today is the statistical tables of the 2005 Economic Report of the President. I did this exercise a while back with the 2004 tables and couldn't quite believe the results. But the 2005 data confirm it: The party with the best record of serving Republican economic values is the Democrats. It isn't even close.

The Republican values I refer to are universal. We all want prosperity, oppose unemployment, dislike inflation, don't enjoy paying taxes, etc. These values are Republican only in the sense that Republicans are supposed to treasure them more and to be more reluctant to sacrifice them for other goals such as equality and clean air.

Statistics back to 1959 make this clear. A consistent pattern over 45 years cannot be explained by shorter-term factors, such as war or who controls Congress. Maybe presidents can't affect the economy much, but the assumption that they can and do is so prominent in Republican rhetoric that they are stuck with it. So consider:

Federal spending (aka "big government"): It has gone up an average of about $50 billion a year under presidents of both parties. But that breaks down as $35 billion a year under Democratic presidents and $60 billion under Republicans. If you assume that it takes a year for a president's policies to take effect, Democrats have raised spending by $40 billion a year and Republicans by $55 billion.

Leaning over backward even farther, let's start our measurement in 1981, the date when many Republicans believe that life as we know it began. The result: Democrats still have a better record at smaller government. Republican presidents added more government spending for each year they served, whether you credit them with the actual years they served or with the year that followed.

Hit the link for more.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #32)

Sun Apr 14, 2019, 02:03 AM

33. And Trump beats them all by applying a fraction of common sense.

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Response to foia (Reply #33)

Sun Apr 14, 2019, 07:40 PM

35. Bailout reply typical of Republicans who insist they cannot be blamed for being Republicans.

Stop whining when people accuse you of being a Republican. You should own it because that is just what you are. You just want to get a pass when your ideology fails.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #35)

Sun Apr 14, 2019, 07:58 PM

36. Nobody's ever implemented my ideology.

Trump's done quite a few things that I approve of however:

Cutting regulations and corporate taxes to enable US companies, small and large, to be more competitive.

Renegotiated trade deals that swamp Rs and Ds promised to for years but never did.

Getting China to stop dumping steel and aluminum.

I thought he was goofy when he was spewing the "Rocket Man" stuff at the UN but I've got to give him credit for getting KJU to stop test firing and at least come to the table. (Along with getting remains returned from The Korean War.)

Justice system reform.

Actually trying to do some thing to stop illegal immigration.

Moving the embassy in Israel.

And for general amusement his tweeting and trolling of the left and MSM has been extremely entertaining.

And as I've noted before, one of the reasons I voted for Trump was that he stuck a finger in the eye of the Republican establishment who just wanted another status quo swamp rat like Jeb. I have lots of issues with how The Republican Party is run so you can call me a Republican all you want but it has no basis in fact.

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Response to foia (Reply #36)

Sun Apr 14, 2019, 11:02 PM

37. Cop out.

I have a lot of problems with the Democratic party but I don't lie about being a Democrat.

You are a Republican. Face it or not, that is what you are.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #37)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:30 AM

38. Call me whatever you want. It matters not to me.

I'm much more libertarian than Republican:

I'm not at all religious and never have been.

I desire a minimal federal government. (State too.)

I think people should pretty much be able to do whatever the hell they want as long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others.

I was hopeful back in the early 90s that libertarianism might get a foothold but things are run by the two parties and the people who end up running under the libertarian flag are often loons.

So I deal with reality and vote for candidates who have a chance of winning that are closest to my ideology and the Democrats seem to like more government, more regulation, more taxes and social engineering vs. Republicans. I am not a fan of bible thumping Republicans but they're still better than Democrats who worship government instead.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #32)

Sun Apr 14, 2019, 05:32 AM

34. Sophomoric logic(sic).

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Response to swifty (Original post)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 09:12 PM

17. Illegal immigrants should be deported, not sent to sanctuary cities

But if the courts and Congress won't let them get deported, the best place to put them is in the backyards of the people who keep voting for them to stay in this country anyway.

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Response to swifty (Original post)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 09:26 PM

18. Nope,those places put out the welcome mat so why should they bitch that people would be coming

through the door?

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Response to Carl (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 13, 2019, 07:33 AM

27. Its always a different toon

When the bill arrives and someone has to pay for it. Imo.

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Response to swifty (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2019, 06:36 AM

25. Not in the least!

These cities and states that want to welcome illegals, well hereis their chance to put their money where their mouth is!

Oops, but it is about the money with them. As longa as they don't have to pay- they will welcome them.

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