Tue Apr 23, 2019, 04:44 AM

Who else was the Obama Illegal Domestic surveillance program targeting?

Trump was just the tip of the Iceberg

If you read the Weissmann/Mueller report carefully one aspect stands out strongly; the Mueller investigation was fully committed to The Steele Dossier. An inordinate amount of the report is focused on justifying their investigative validity and purpose in looking at the claims within the Steele Dossier.

Repeatedly, the investigative unit references their mandate based around the Steele Dossier, and the mid-summer 2016 origin of the FBI counterintelligence operation.

Why? Why was/is Crossfire Hurricane (July ’16) and the Steele Dossier (Oct. ’16) so important to the principle intelligence apparatus, and the Mueller team (’17, ’18, ’19)?

I believe former NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers has told us the answer. In early 2016 Rogers caught on to a massive and pre-existing weaponization of government surveillance and the use of collected NSA metadata for political spy operations. Everything, that comes AFTER March 2016 is one big blanket cover-up operation….. ALL OF IT

The Russian election interference narrative; the use of Joseph Mifsud, Stefan Halper, the London and Australian embassy personnel; Erika Thompson, Alexander Downer, U.S. DIA officials; everything around Crossfire Hurricane; and everything after to include the construct of the Steele Dossier; all of it was needed for the creation of an ‘after-the-fact‘ plausible justification to cover-up what Mike Rogers discovered in early 2016, AND the downstream unmasked records that existed in the Obama White House SCIF.

Fusion GPS was not hired in April 2016 to research Donald Trump. The intelligence community was already doing surveillance and spy operations. They already knew everything about the Trump campaign. The Obama intelligence community needed Fusion GPS to give them a justification for pre-existing surveillance and spy operations.

That’s why the FBI, and later the Mueller team, are so strongly committed to, and defending, the formation of the Steele Dossier and its dubious content


He weaponized the IRS against his political enemies, why wouldn’t he illegally use other Government agencies? Trump doesn’t need to fear the Law. Obama and Hillary sure do

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Reply Who else was the Obama Illegal Domestic surveillance program targeting? (Original post)
Gunslinger201 Apr 2019 OP
Carl Apr 2019 #1
fuel Apr 2019 #4
quad489 Apr 2019 #2
rampartb Apr 2019 #3
batcat Apr 2019 #5
rampartb Apr 2019 #6

Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 05:03 AM

1. Admiral Rogers is a true American hero and patriot.

I suspect we may never see all that transpired,there are too many entrenched bureaucrats who hold levers of power and will use them to protect their own interests.

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Tue Apr 23, 2019, 05:22 AM

2. Who else...I suspect Romney at a minimum. How else does one explain Romney's sudden change...

...from debate #1, where he royally kicked berry's ass, to debates #2 & #3 where he just rolled over like a possum playing dead?

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 08:10 AM

3. has it been shown that the surveilance was illegal?

i opposed the patruit act and its extensions. do you?

i think the constitution implies a right to privacy. do you?

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Response to rampartb (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 11:06 AM

5. The Deep State used 9/11 as an excuse to take its surveillance powers...

to new levels that make Big Brother in the novel “1984” look incompetent.

I didn’t trust the Patriot Act from the beginning. The name itself tipped me off. The last thing the Patriot Act is is patriotic.

6 Laws With Super Misleading Names
By: Kevin MathewsMarch 11, 2015

Did you know that members of Congress can name their laws whatever they heck they want, whether or not it actually represents the content? The result is plenty of legislation with wholly misleading names. Let’s take a look at some of the more egregious examples of bills and court decisions that are far from what their names suggest:

1. The Patriot Act

There’s no better place to start than with the USA PATRIOT Act. Many people don’t realize that it’s actually an acronym: Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act. While that’s a decent description of the law, hiding it behind something like patriotism really disguises its true purpose. Once they better understood the legislation, a lot of Americans opposed the extreme surveillance measures and general eroding of rights created by the act. Thanks to the name, though, it became almost unpatriotic to criticize the Patriot Act, which is probably why most of its effects persist to this day.

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Response to batcat (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 04:12 PM

6. nevertheless, under the patriot act nearly any sirveilance can be legal

the premise of the op, that trump is somehow immune from surveilance that would be patriotic if done to you or i is flawed.

in fact, for you to prove that you were illegally surveiled you would have to prove that you were surveiled at all, that that surveilance was unwarranted (with warrants protected as classified info) or that the warrant was issued without probable cause unser the same conditions of secrecy.

i would certainly support repeal of the patriot act, but members of congress, on a bipartisan basis, not so much.

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