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Fri May 31, 2019, 09:34 AM

The illegal immigrant crisis is the fault of the US? Blame rape on the victim why don'tcha.

This morning some dude on CNN named Kerlekowski said the fact we're not sending $ to Central America is the reason people are coming north.

Might as well say "I raped her because of the short dress she was wearing".

Bottom line: Economic migrants are NOT entitled to "asylum".

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Reply The illegal immigrant crisis is the fault of the US? Blame rape on the victim why don'tcha. (Original post)
JaimeBondoJr May 2019 OP
Boston May 2019 #1
rampartb May 2019 #2
JaimeBondoJr May 2019 #3
Independent.mind May 2019 #4
JaimeBondoJr May 2019 #5
Independent.mind May 2019 #6
JaimeBondoJr May 2019 #7
Nostrings May 2019 #8
Independent.mind May 2019 #9
Nostrings May 2019 #10
Independent.mind May 2019 #11
Nostrings May 2019 #12
Independent.mind May 2019 #13
Nostrings May 2019 #14
Independent.mind May 2019 #15
Nostrings May 2019 #16
Nostrings May 2019 #17
Independent.mind Jun 2019 #18

Response to JaimeBondoJr (Original post)

Fri May 31, 2019, 10:13 AM

1. Certainly, as Canada and other countries do, the economic needs of the United States should factor

in.

Canada very reasonably considers the skills and ability to support oneself of the migrant.

Why shouldn't we do that?

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Response to Boston (Reply #1)

Fri May 31, 2019, 10:17 AM

2. america's "job creators" are not very interested in skills or ability

they want cheap labor and plenty of it.

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Response to Boston (Reply #1)

Fri May 31, 2019, 01:41 PM

3. We absolutely should.

And we should arrest every business owner found to have illegals on their payroll. Every. Single. One.

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Original post)

Fri May 31, 2019, 01:44 PM

4. Part of the blame does indeed lie in the US

Congress has failed to address the need for immigration reform since the 80's.
Agree with the others in this thread that making it financially and personally not worth the cost of being caught employing illegal immigrants needs to be a priority.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #4)

Fri May 31, 2019, 02:23 PM

5. True "immigration reform" is not possible without absolute control over border crossings.

On that front; a wall, be it virtual or physical, is absolutely necessary.

Failing that- trace the southernmost highways/roads from San Diego to South Padre Island, and make them impossible for illegals to cross.

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Reply #5)

Fri May 31, 2019, 03:05 PM

6. I am of the view that removing the incentive to enter illegally,

meaning making it as difficult as possible to obtain employment if you are in the country illegally, will have a significant impact on the problem and make other enforcement much easier and more productive.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #6)

Fri May 31, 2019, 03:28 PM

7. Can't agree 100%. It's evident to EVERYONE that once you're here, you're here.

We don't deport the ones we catch, and many on the left believe "asylum" is just something you ask for and receive once you're inside the border.

Fake IDs, fake papers, fake and stolen SSNs...

"Immigration reform" HAS to start with controlling the borders.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #6)

Fri May 31, 2019, 03:31 PM

8. Employment is only one incentive of many. What are you willing to do about the others?

Sanctuary cities.

"Healthcare for illegal immigrants"

None of the things I've seen you propose are worth a hill of beans without functional control over the border and each and every crossing that happens on it.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #8)

Fri May 31, 2019, 03:37 PM

9. Have to start before you can finish

A systematic approach to solving the problem that includes all of the following

Border security
Severe penalties for employers of illegal immigrants
More CBP and ICE
More immigration judges
Revised and updated standards for asylum
Immigration reform that includes no possibility of obtaining a green card or path to citizenship if you entered illegally

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #9)

Fri May 31, 2019, 03:43 PM

10. Lets draw a parallel: a sinking boat.

Your proposals are all about bailing, closing compartments, and starting up more pumps.

Your proposals are NOT about ending the leaks.

A potential illegal entrant can not become an illegal entrant if he can't illegally cross the border, just as your boat can't sink from leaks if there are none.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #10)

Fri May 31, 2019, 03:54 PM

11. So you don't see border secutiry as addressing the "leaks"?

If securing the border doesn't do that what does?

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #11)

Fri May 31, 2019, 04:49 PM

12. How do you define "secure" where the border is concerned, in sheer numbers?

1000 a year?

10,000?

I define it in the low hundreds.

Can your definition of border security achieve that?


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Response to Nostrings (Reply #12)

Fri May 31, 2019, 05:17 PM

13. I would define it

As whatever CBP says is needed to keep the numbers as low as can be achieved

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #13)

Fri May 31, 2019, 05:43 PM

14. Given the propensity of the other side to use them as an issue, I'd prefer they be deprived

Of the opportunity, by eliminating any illegal populace to represent over American citizens or interests.

"As low as can be achieved" is not a good enough standard, its murky, subjective, and ripe for abuse.

A specific targeted number is required, as a goal, and it needs to be LOW.

Then, if they fail to achieve that number, it is proof that more time money and resources need to be brought to bear, and they can tell their bosses, and the bosses can tell their reps in government, who can then tell their bosses: we the people.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #14)

Fri May 31, 2019, 06:07 PM

15. If you assume I am open borders you could not be more wrong

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #15)

Fri May 31, 2019, 06:13 PM

16. I assume you're taking a position which allows them in effect but provides plausible deniability.

Because thats what I'm hearing.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #9)

Fri May 31, 2019, 07:26 PM

17. " reform that includes no possibility of obtaining a green card or path to citizenship"

How does that apply if a future dem administration enacts a blanket amnesty/citizenship?


What good do your ideas do me in that case?

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #17)

Mon Jun 3, 2019, 12:39 PM

18. Given that the last amnesty was done by Reagan I don't consider that

an issue.

Easy enough to pass a law that states that if you entered illegally you do not have any way to obtain a green card short of leaving the country and coming back in legally.

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