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Sat Jun 8, 2019, 10:17 PM

Mexico Agreed to Take Border Actions Months Before Trump Announced Tariff Deal

WASHINGTON — The deal to avert tariffs that President Trump announced with great fanfare on Friday night consists largely of actions that Mexico had already promised to take in prior discussions with the United States over the past several months, according to officials from both countries who are familiar with the negotiations.

The centerpiece of Mr. Trump’s deal was an expansion of a program to allow asylum-seekers to remain in Mexico while their legal cases proceed. But that arrangement was reached in December in a pair of painstakingly negotiated diplomatic notes that the two countries exchanged. Ms. Nielsen announced the Migrant Protection Protocols during a hearing of the House Judiciary Committee five days before Christmas.

It was unclear whether Mr. Trump believed that the agreement truly represented new and broader concessions, or whether the president understood the limits of the deal but accepted it as a face-saving way to escape from the political and economic consequences of imposing tariffs on Mexico, which he began threatening less than two weeks ago.

Having threatened Mexico with an escalating series of tariffs — starting at 5 percent and growing to 25 percent — the president faced enormous criticism from global leaders, business executives, Republican and Democratic lawmakers, and members of his own staff that he risked disrupting a critical marketplace.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/08/us/politics/trump-mexico-deal-tariffs.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

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Reply Mexico Agreed to Take Border Actions Months Before Trump Announced Tariff Deal (Original post)
Trevor Jun 8 OP
Fred Sanford Jun 8 #1
Trevor Jun 8 #2
Carl Jun 8 #3
Trevor Jun 8 #6
Carl Jun 8 #7
batcat Jun 9 #20
New Deal Democrat Jun 8 #4
Trevor Jun 8 #5
Carl Jun 8 #9
Trevor Jun 8 #12
Solesurvivor Jun 9 #21
Trevor Jun 9 #29
Carl Jun 9 #23
Trevor Jun 9 #30
Carl Jun 9 #34
Trevor Jun 9 #37
Carl Jun 9 #40
Trevor Jun 9 #52
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Grumpy Pickle Jun 8 #10
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Trevor Jun 9 #32
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specs Jun 9 #27
Trevor Jun 9 #33
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Response to Trevor (Original post)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 10:20 PM

1. LOL @ Lefty!!!!

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Response to Fred Sanford (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 10:22 PM

2. LOL @ Righty

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Response to Trevor (Original post)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 10:28 PM

3. Oh,the NY Times said this.

A mouthpiece for the DNC.

Why have they not then?

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Response to Carl (Reply #3)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 10:33 PM

6. Don't you believe it?

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Response to Trevor (Reply #6)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 10:44 PM

7. Nope,has Mexico done any of this yet?

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Response to Trevor (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 01:27 AM

20. After the last two and one half years I do not believe one damn thing I read ...

in the liberal media about Trump.









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Response to Trevor (Original post)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 10:30 PM

4. Forever the fraud.

And the rubes suck it up.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 10:32 PM

5. Every bit of it.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #5)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 10:46 PM

9. Link up where Mexico has been doing this.

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Response to Carl (Reply #9)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 11:22 PM

12. Secretary Nielsen Meets with Mexican Officials on Border Emergency, Travels to Honduras to Meet with

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Response to Trevor (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 03:45 AM

21. Sorry meetings isnt proof theyve actually done anything

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 10:59 AM

29. They haven't done the things Trump boasted about yet either.

The article is about agreements. Most of what Trump boasted about was agreements.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 06:04 AM

23. That in no way relates to what you wrote in your op.

In other words you made up the shit you posted.

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Response to Carl (Reply #23)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 11:03 AM

30. It directly backs up what the Times said.

And it comes from the Secretary herself.

I didn't make this up. It comes from NYT. How could you accuse me of making it up? You must toss around accusations with no care at all if they are true or not.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #30)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 11:16 AM

34. No it does not.it is left wing spinning.

It in no way suggests that what was announced was something that has been happening for months as your OP asserted.

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Response to Carl (Reply #34)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:07 PM

37. From the Times:

"Friday’s joint declaration says Mexico agreed to the “deployment of its National Guard throughout Mexico, giving priority to its southern border.” But the Mexican government had already pledged to do that in March during secret talks in Miami between Kirstjen Nielsen, then the secretary of homeland security, and Olga Sanchez, the Mexican secretary of the interior, the officials said."

Nielsen's press release confirms there were negotiations in March. The agreements were secret at the time.

From the Times:

"The centerpiece of Mr. Trump’s deal was an expansion of a program to allow asylum-seekers to remain in Mexico while their legal cases proceed. But that arrangement was reached in December in a pair of painstakingly negotiated diplomatic notes that the two countries exchanged. Ms. Nielsen announced the Migrant Protection Protocols during a hearing of the House Judiciary Committee five days before Christmas."

From Nielsen:

Secretary Kirstjen M. Nielsen Announces Historic Action to Confront Illegal Immigration

12/20/2018

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/12/20/secretary-nielsen-announces-historic-action-confront-illegal-immigration




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Response to Trevor (Reply #37)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 02:42 PM

40. Had they done that?

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Response to Trevor (Reply #52)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 07:01 PM

55. Uhm,that was a statement of US policy,anything to show Mexico wentb along?

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Response to Carl (Reply #55)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 07:30 PM

59. I gave you links to the negotiations

for the migrant protection protocols, I gave you a link about the agreement, and a link about the implementation. What more could you want? I don't think you understand this stuff Carl, or you are trolling me or something.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #59)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 05:54 AM

68. I understand you posted a fake OP and now you are backpeddling.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 10:45 PM

8. Show us where Mexico has been doing this.

Link it up.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 06:05 AM

24. Now that Tevor was unable to link to anything proving what he asserted maybe you should

ponder your post and look in a mirror.

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Response to Carl (Reply #24)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 11:10 AM

31. You made the same challenge four times.

I answered it once. Do you expect me to post it over and over again?

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Response to Trevor (Reply #31)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 11:16 AM

35. You did not prove it once.

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Response to Carl (Reply #35)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:25 PM

39. I can never prove something

to your unobtainable satisfaction.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #39)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 02:42 PM

41. You had a chance and you failed again.

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Response to Carl (Reply #41)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 02:59 PM

44. It wasn't a chance

I proved it in post #37 and it didn't make a dent.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #44)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 03:42 PM

46. You proved you posted idiotic leftist spin that you had no clue what it was

When asked to support it with a link you came up with nothing.

You lied again.

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Response to Carl (Reply #46)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 03:53 PM

47. Press releases from the Trump administration are idiotic leftist spin?

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Response to Trevor (Reply #47)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 04:49 PM

49. The spin was from The NY Times and you swallowed it whole.

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Response to Carl (Reply #49)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 05:18 PM

51. I backed it up. So did the Times.

You refuse to accept reality. Trump misleads. He often flat out lies.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #51)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 07:00 PM

54. No you did not,you posted something that said they had agreed to but never was offical and

formalized much less implemented.

That is the fact,your post was a repeat of a lie and a lie to itself as you could find nothing to back up the attack Trump claim.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #57)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 07:28 PM

58. Posting a US policy directive does not show Mexico did anything.

Try again.you are on your 4th fail now to support what you asserted was fact in your OP.

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Response to Carl (Reply #58)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 07:33 PM

60. I haven't failed at all.

I linked to you about the negotiations, the agreement, and the implementation of the migrant protection protocols. Take it slow and read it.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #60)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 05:55 AM

69. Your OP was a lie.

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Response to Trevor (Original post)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 10:46 PM

10. If the deal was reached " months ago ", why wasn't it implemented ?

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #10)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 11:23 PM

13. Trump must have succeeded in pushing it over the finish line.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:07 AM

16. Sounds good to me.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 06:06 AM

25. So even if so it means your OP was a lie.

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Response to Carl (Reply #25)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 11:12 AM

32. No. The article was about agreements.

It didn't say that there was nothing new at all either. It says the core of what was agreed to after the sanctions threat had already been agreed to before. Read!

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Response to Trevor (Reply #32)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 11:18 AM

36. Was it implemented?

No it was not.

Talks about things are not the same as having a formal pact that is considered final.

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Response to Carl (Reply #36)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:21 PM

38. The article didn't say it was implemented.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #38)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 02:46 PM

42. Then what what the fuck was the point of your OP?

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Response to Carl (Reply #42)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 02:54 PM

43. That Trump is misleading about how much his threats brought in return.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #43)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 03:40 PM

45. Were any discussions finalized or formalized?

No by your own admission.

Also by your own admission in this thread he pushed it over the finish line.

You posted a lefty lie and doubled down on it.

Admit it.

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Response to Carl (Reply #45)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 03:55 PM

48. Quit playing games.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #48)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 04:52 PM

50. I am calling it what it was.

Deal with the truth for a change.

You saw a leftist fabrication and dove in face first.
This ain’t the DUmp where that stupid shit goes unchallenged.

You could not back up the assertion that your OP suggests.

Not my fault you got suckered in.

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Response to Carl (Reply #50)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 05:27 PM

53. I think you are trolling

so you can run over to the cave and show off about it.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #53)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 07:04 PM

56. No,I am holding you to basic standards of truth.

You have not met them.

Show us where Mexico fulfilled what you asserted was part of a sham.

Not hit or miss but under terms of an agreement.

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Response to Carl (Reply #56)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 07:34 PM

61. How many times did you ask me that?

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Response to Trevor (Reply #61)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 07:45 PM

62. As many times as it will take for you to post something that proves what you asserted.

You have had ample opportunity to but you have not.
The OP said that the official announcement of the agreement was a ruse but so far you have not shown one thing that even suggests Mexico was already doing those things announced.

Just post a link that actually supports the criticism you posted.

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Response to Carl (Reply #62)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 08:24 PM

63. From the Trumpsters themselves.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #63)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 08:38 PM

64. Uhm,that is a statement of US policy,show us al where Mexico has abided by it.

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Response to Carl (Reply #64)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 08:55 PM

66. There is no way they can implement it if Mexico doesn't allow it.

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Response to Trevor (Original post)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 11:58 PM

14. Say that again now

How many caravan leaders did you say were arrested for human trafficking months ago?

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Response to Trevor (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:04 AM

15. It was just more of the same Kabuki we're used to from Trump

America probably actually lost yardage on the play, but the Mexicans know they need to make Trump's losses for America look like wins. Those who deal with Trump know he will go along with them getting the better of America if they allow Trump to play act a "win" for himself and those who bear his hat.

Also, let's not forget Trump caused the problem he supposedly solved.

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Response to swifty (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:08 AM

17. Whaaaat ?

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Response to swifty (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 03:46 AM

22. Yeah he put a gun to their heads....

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Response to swifty (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 06:07 AM

26. Why do you have to try to make the stupidest post one can make on a thread.

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Response to Trevor (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:37 AM

18. lol @ the racist npc for using an opinionated blog as a source

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Response to specs (Reply #18)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:52 AM

19. You made 3 errors in one post.

That might be a record.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 06:43 AM

27. lol @ the racist npc

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Response to specs (Reply #27)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 11:14 AM

33. Down to two.

You are improving.

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Response to specs (Reply #18)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 10:27 AM

28. Alerted! Lefty really hates the NPC word. No hide because

NPC is an accurate descriptor for this Lefty

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Response to Trevor (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 03:17 AM

67. Last I checked

largely and completely do not mean the same thing.

Pretty standard process to codify previous agreements when sitting down for these kinds of negotiations along with whatever updates are agreed upon. The codification is an important advancement to the process.


This doesn't even qualify as a nice try, its pure and simple shell game redirection trying to discredit the importance of the stick along side the carrot in negotiations.

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Response to Valishin (Reply #67)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 05:55 PM

70. Trump is the one playing the shell game.

"Ebrard said he believed that was the “very important” part of the deal that Trump teased earlier on Monday, but he suggested that it wasn’t “fully signed and documented,” as Trump had claimed on Twitter."

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/10/trump-mexico-deal-tariffs-1358914

The effort is to discredit another misleading claim by Trump, not to discredit sticks.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #70)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:25 PM

71. Too bad your childish efforts

to discredit the president have been failing miserably for better than two years.

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