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Fri Jun 21, 2019, 06:57 AM

Trump you goddamn motherfucking embarrassment



Trump Approves Strikes on Iran, but Then Abruptly Pulls Back



Officials said the president had initially approved attacks on a handful of Iranian targets, like radar and missile batteries.

The operation was underway in its early stages when it was called off, a senior administration official said. Planes were in the air and ships were in position, but no missiles had been fired when word came to stand down, the official said.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/20/world/middleeast/iran-us-drone.html

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Reply Trump you goddamn motherfucking embarrassment (Original post)
Pennsylvania Jun 21 OP
imwithfred Jun 21 #1
rampartb Jun 21 #4
KittyCatIdiots Jul 11 #46
rampartb Jun 21 #2
bfox74 Jun 21 #3
imwithfred Jun 21 #5
bfox74 Jun 21 #9
imwithfred Jun 21 #13
Independent.mind Jun 21 #14
imwithfred Jun 21 #15
Independent.mind Jun 21 #16
imwithfred Jun 21 #17
Independent.mind Jun 21 #18
KittyCatIdiots Jun 21 #26
quad489 Jun 21 #20
Independent.mind Jun 21 #21
quad489 Jun 21 #22
Independent.mind Jun 21 #23
bfox74 Jun 21 #32
Independent.mind Jun 21 #34
bfox74 Jun 21 #35
Independent.mind Jun 21 #36
bfox74 Jun 21 #37
Independent.mind Jun 21 #39
bfox74 Jun 21 #42
foia Jun 21 #6
KittyCatIdiots Jul 5 #45
KittyCatIdiots Jul 12 #47
Horsefeathers Jun 21 #7
Da Mannn Jun 21 #8
Independent.mind Jun 21 #10
FreeWheelBurning Jun 21 #11
imwithfred Jun 21 #28
FreeWheelBurning Jun 21 #29
Sullivan Jun 21 #12
New Deal Democrat Jun 21 #24
Lifelong Jun 21 #19
KittyCatIdiots Jun 21 #25
PrescientWon. Jun 21 #27
KittyCatIdiots Jul 5 #44
Steelydamned Jun 21 #30
KittyCatIdiots Jun 21 #40
Steelydamned Jun 21 #41
KittyCatIdiots Jul 12 #48
KittyCatIdiots Wednesday #49
MeatSandwich Jun 21 #31
shogun Jun 21 #33
KittyCatIdiots Jun 21 #38
KittyCatIdiots Jul 4 #43

Response to Pennsylvania (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 07:03 AM

1. Why is that an embarrassment?

It shows President Trump willing to change his mind on things.....unlike Democrats and primitives.

I can remember a lot of times when American presidents decided to do something, and then at the last minute, something changed.....but because they were already committed to doing that one thing, they went ahead and did it, despite that it didn't help the changing-circumstances situation any.

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Response to imwithfred (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 07:11 AM

4. i doubtyou spent any more time in the war room than i did

see my reply below. pay attention to Bolton (played by George c scott). peter sellers might be a little more stable (and less comical) than the current president.

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Response to Pennsylvania (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 07:06 AM

2. perhaps some new information arrived at the war room?

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Response to Pennsylvania (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 07:09 AM

3. Good for him

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 07:21 AM

5. I've been no less disappointed and disheartened than the poster, in President Trump the past

two and a half years.

The guy has the personality, the character, the wit, the intelligence, to change America to whatever he wishes it to be. I can't think of any other president in history who's had such competence and the power to do good, to restore America.

One has to admit he's been rather stingy in using those gifts, those talents.

He was elected as the vanguard of the new revolution, rewarding the virtuous and productive, weeding out the deep state and other parasites on society, chopping off some heads, transporting others to distant lands, and at the mildest, floggings. And he could do that, but he's done damned little of it.

The revolution seems stalled because of his inaction, and it's time to get it going again, with more passion and vigor.

On this particular matter I'm not faulting him, but his extreme hesitance to keep the revolution going is disturbing.

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Response to imwithfred (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 07:39 AM

9. I have to disagree with you, Fred.

Trump's inaction on this matter is exactly what he should do in order to protect the revolution. Iran is attempting to goad him into a military response, and he won't give it to them. Iran is being choked to death by the sanctions and knows that if Americans think a war will break out that Trump may be pressured into lifting the sanctions. Both lefty and the Mullahs want Trump to respond with military force, and that's exactly why he shouldn't do it. If Iran's economy continues to fail, the Mullahs will be ousted.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 08:16 AM

13. Whoa. Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough; sorry.

On this particular issue, I wholeheartedly agree with you, and the president.

However, since the poster in the past has expressed disappointment about President Trump, I additionally thought it would be illuminating if he learned that I too share the same disappointment.

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Response to imwithfred (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 08:29 AM

14. Might consider changing your vote on this poll

Take out their oil infrastructure
3 (18%)
imwithfred, DDKick, Gunslinger201

https://www.discussionist.com/10152012360

Not being snarky just a suggestion.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #14)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 08:42 AM

15. Well, I voted before I gave it thorough thought.

I'm now sticking with hindsight, let the Israelis do it. Most of the world dislikes them anyway, so they got nothing to lose. Let them do it, but be sure they have as many tools as we can give them to do the job.

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Response to imwithfred (Reply #15)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 08:49 AM

16. I appreciate someone that can alter their opinion after thinking things over or getting new info

I believe a studied and well-thought out approach is the best path to take in this case.

If we end up carrying out some kind of military action in response I want to be confident that all options have been evaluated and consider and it wasn't a knee-jerk response.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #16)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 08:58 AM

17. My main concern has always been the traditional way many people think.

They make a plan, and then wait for the other side to make a move.

The move might be unanticipated, and the plan an inappropriate response.

But because it's the plan, they go ahead and use it anyway.

I suspect this is how we got in Vietnam--and some other conflicts--where following the plan was more important than achieving real results.

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Response to imwithfred (Reply #17)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 09:06 AM

18. Plan for every contingency you can think of and expect the unexpected to happen

I have learned some hard lessons in my career by making a hasty decision based on a limited amount of information.
Being well informed and abreast of as many of the details as possible gives you the best opportunity to make the right decision and defend your position, especially if things don't go as planned.

Knowing when to act and what actions are needed is the most difficult part of leading any organization when things get dicey.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 09:11 AM

20. ''Both lefty and the Mullahs want Trump to respond with military force''...yep, lefties hate America

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Response to quad489 (Reply #20)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 09:19 AM

21. Based on this poll

I disagree
https://www.discussionist.com/10152012360

Negotiate, negotiate, negotiate
9 (50%)
Independent.mind, msv, rampartb, batcat, swifty, RCW2014, def_con5, Cold Warrior, orson

Limited strike
4 (24%)
oldenuff35, Bob the Bilderberger, BigKahunna2.0, His Daughter

Take out their oil infrastructure
3 (18%)
imwithfred, DDKick, Gunslinger201

Nuke 'em
2 (12%)
Solesurvivor, Paradigm

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #21)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 09:48 AM

22. Adults don't base their views on current fads, popularity polls, or number of google hits...

...only thing that should've been taken out was the SAM site that shot down our drone over international waters....and that should've happened immediately, not now, some days later.

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Response to quad489 (Reply #22)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 09:54 AM

23. My point with posting the poll is that it's the righties on this site

calling for military action up to and including "nuke 'em" not the lefties.

I am of the opinion there is considerably more to this situation than what is being reported and there is no rush to respond with military action.
I would not necessarily have opposed your suggestion of taking out the SAM site but there would have been casualties and that could complicate things further.



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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #21)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 12:26 PM

32. That's all you've got?

One silly poll on a political discussion forum?

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #32)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 12:34 PM

34. As I stated

My point with posting the poll is that it's the righties on this site
calling for military action up to and including "nuke 'em" not the lefties.

Pretty clear cut where people here that participated come down on the issues isn't it.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #34)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 12:46 PM

35. And yet you know in your heart of hearts that lefty is drooling over the possibility

of Trump making a military strike so that they can call him a war monger and use it against him.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #35)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 12:49 PM

36. I'm glad you think you can tell me what I know

I will reciprocate

You know in your heart of hearts that there are many on the right that would love nothing more than to have what they would consider enough evidence to bomb the hell out of Iran.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #36)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 03:07 PM

37. Youre wrong.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #37)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 03:45 PM

39. Nope I'm not

Easy to see, post 21

There are some just itching to do it.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #39)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 08:21 PM

42. The fact that you feel that any polling data here is reality

Is quite amusing if not very telling.

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Response to Pennsylvania (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 07:22 AM

6. Why do you believe anything NYT prints about what goes on in The White House?

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Response to Pennsylvania (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 07:30 AM

7. Oh Noes!

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Response to Pennsylvania (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 07:39 AM

8. And you belive the font of Fake News, the New York Times?

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Response to Pennsylvania (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 07:55 AM

10. Let's see where this goes and what new information comes out before drawing conclusions.

Listen to the spoken part in the middle of this song around the 2:30 second mark.
It is a monolog by Walter Matthau from the movie "Fail Safe"

(Bridge of song spoken by Walter Matthau)

I’m the joker; I make death into a game for people like you to get excited about
I watched you tonight; you’d love making it possible, wouldn’t you?
You’d love pressing that button, what a thrill that would be
Knowing you have to die, to have the power to take everyone else with you
The mob and their plans, their little hopes born to be murdered, turning away from it, closing their eyes to it
You could be the one to make it true
Do it





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Response to Pennsylvania (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 08:03 AM

11. I was undecided yesterday regarding what I thought the US response should be

I still am today so this last minute reversal by Trump does not bother me.

I did read Trump wrong during his press conference yesterday. The language he used towards the end led me to believe that he had decided against military action. I should have paid more attention to his language during the beginning.

I would really like to learn why he changed his mind at the last minute.

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Response to FreeWheelBurning (Reply #11)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 11:21 AM

28. ".....I would really like to learn why he changed his mind at the last minute....."

My guess is that he had decided upon one course of action, and just as he was setting "the plan" into action, last-minute information convinced him his planned-for reaction wouldn't be the appropriate one.

It takes a man with balls to so abruptly reverse himself without worrying about "losing face."

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Response to imwithfred (Reply #28)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 11:25 AM

29. Its the "last-minute" information that I would be interested to learn

I doubt we ever will unless there is a leak and even then, it would be anonymous so I would always question its validity.

I do agree that having the temperament to reverse course when necessary despite the consequences is a good trait in a leader.

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Response to Pennsylvania (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 08:10 AM

12. This is probably the first decent thing the man has done.

Good for him.

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Response to Sullivan (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 10:20 AM

24. I was thinking the same thing.

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Response to Pennsylvania (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 09:10 AM

19. "as warplanes were in the air."? The drama!

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2019-06-21/trump-approved-air-strikes-on-iran-then-pulled-back-nyt-says

"The operation was first reported by the New York Times, which said that Trump had pulled back as warplanes were in the air. The U.S. official disputed that part of the Times account."

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Fri Jun 21, 2019, 11:17 AM

27. the mole burst his cover, again

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Response to Pennsylvania (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 11:28 AM

30. Jesus Dude....

......

v

Get a grip. Maybe a bout of Call of Duty or something to slake your apparent lust for another war

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Response to KittyCatIdiots (Reply #40)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 03:47 PM

41. Your....

...Mom said what? That's gross

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Response to Pennsylvania (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 11:51 AM

31. Oh he's too agressive or not aggressive enough.

No matter what he had done, you would have bitched. Just admit it, you're hard left. Everything you write proves it.

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Response to Pennsylvania (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 12:33 PM

33. No kidding, Bush or Hillary would have invaded by now and set up democracy

I hope Kissinger can talk some sense into Trump so we can continue with our world order.

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