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Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:06 AM

Why did the Bush Administration remove the citizenship question from the 2010 census?

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Reply Why did the Bush Administration remove the citizenship question from the 2010 census? (Original post)
Isidore Jul 2019 OP
foia Jul 2019 #1
Isidore Jul 2019 #2
Oldgeezer Jul 2019 #6
Isidore Jul 2019 #7
Oldgeezer Jul 2019 #8
Isidore Jul 2019 #9
Oldgeezer Jul 2019 #11
Isidore Jul 2019 #17
jh4freedom Jul 2019 #3
quad489 Jul 2019 #5
Isidore Jul 2019 #18
quad489 Jul 2019 #19
Banshee 3 Actual Jul 2019 #13
jh4freedom Jul 2019 #14
JaimeBondoJr Jul 2019 #4
Salaam Jul 2019 #10
D26-15 Jul 2019 #12
Salaam Jul 2019 #15
D26-15 Jul 2019 #16
DavesNotHere Jul 2019 #20

Response to Isidore (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:09 AM

1. Because he was no longer president in 2010

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Response to foia (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:15 AM

2. The census questions are provided to Congress two years before the census.  ( n/t )

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Response to Isidore (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:12 AM

6. Hmmm....I'm pretty sure the the upcoming census just hit the printer last month.

The questions hadn't been settled on "2yrs before". There was still a SCOTUS decision pending which was Dept of Commerce -v-New York..
Don't make up crap

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Response to Oldgeezer (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:32 AM

7. Questions Planned for the 2010 Census and American Community Survey

Issued March 2008

...

SUBMISSION OF QUESTIONS FOR THE 2010 DECENNIAL CENSUS PROGRAM

Section 141(f)(2) of the Census Act requires that not later than 2 years before the next census, the questions to be included on that census be submitted to Congress. The contents of this notebook describe the questions that will be asked on the 2010 Census and the American Community Survey, including proposed new questions, as well as the question that will be dropped because it is no longer required by federal agencies.

...

https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/acs/operations_admin/Questions_Planned_for_the_2010_Census_and_American_Community_Survey.pdf


Pdf pages 10-16 list the questions to be included on the 2010 Census - there is no query on citizenship. This document is from 2008.

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Response to Isidore (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:56 AM

8. You link showGWB didn't remove the Citizenship question. It wasn't in the 2000 deal

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Response to Oldgeezer (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:02 AM

9. It was question 13. "Is this person a citizen of the United States?"

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Response to Isidore (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:31 AM

11. You are conflaiting different deals....this is a good resource

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Response to Oldgeezer (Reply #11)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 01:23 AM

17. Well, I was looking at the planned questions for 2020 from the Census Bureau.

It says the citizenship question has been asked since 1820, with a footnote specifying the years 1820, 1830, 1870, and 1890 to present.



If one can't trust the U.S. Department of Commerce or the White House Press Secretary, who can one trust?

So either the status of citizenship hasn't been asked on the Census since 1950, which makes me wonder why it needs to be added now - or the citizenship question has been asked up to the present, in which case the status quo of just including it in the ACS seems sufficient.

Unless, of course, one believes the Secretary of Commerce on the reason for adding the question. Although I wonder why no one in the 50 plus years since the passage of the Voting Rights Act realized that everyone filling out the Census needs to provide citizenship status in order to enforce Section 2 properly.

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Response to Isidore (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:05 AM

3. 1950

1950 was the last time that the Census Bureau asked all households about U.S. citizenship status. A closer look at the 1950 census, however, shows that it wasn't a simple yes-or-no process.

In 1950, census workers asked about the birthplace of every member of each household. The question on the census worksheet was "What State (or foreign country)" was each person born in?

If the answer revealed someone had been born outside the U.S., census workers were instructed to "immediately" ask whether that person was naturalized, which would mean that the person had become a U.S. citizen.


The point of comparison to 1950 is that it's the last time the topic of citizenship was included in the census for all U.S. households.
Proposed question for 2020


In the decades since 1950, the topic of citizenship has been part of census forms designed for some — but not all — households. Beginning in 1970, a sample of households encountered a citizenship question on what was known as the "long form" census.

After the 2000 census, the long form was replaced with an annual Census Bureau survey known as the American Community Survey, which provides the citizenship data that the federal government currently uses to enforce the Voting Rights Act.
https://www.npr.org/2019/05/22/719159163/has-the-u-s-census-ever-asked-about-everyones-citizenship-status

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:57 AM

5. BOOM!!!

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Response to quad489 (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 01:26 AM

18. That question was asked on the long form till 2010.

It's been on the census for many years.

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Response to Isidore (Reply #18)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 05:29 AM

19. Why did Obama/Pelosi/Reid/etc remove that question from the census then...?

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:51 AM

13. 1950 when Democrat Harry S Truman was POTUS?

submitted in 1948 when Democrat Harry S. Truman was POTUS?

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:59 AM

14. Yes that is correct.

Democrat Harry S. Truman was president from April 12, 1948 until January 20, 1953.

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Response to Isidore (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:20 AM

4. Who the fuck cares? It's a different fucking world now, innit?

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Response to Isidore (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:15 AM

10. Donnie has to scare his voters.

We all know that.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:35 AM

12. Yeah, he "scared' us into making him president, "Uncle Sal".

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Response to D26-15 (Reply #12)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:25 PM

15. Donnie loves the poorly educated.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #15)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:25 PM

16. Yes, he loves you "Uncle Sal".

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Response to Isidore (Original post)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 08:29 AM

20. Why DIDN'T Bill Clinton remove it before the 2000 census, or Jimmy Carter remove it before

the 1980 census, is it because they're racists? We already know that's why LBJ didn't remove it from the 1970 census.

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