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Sat Aug 10, 2019, 11:56 PM

Trump Shares Unfounded Fringe Theory About Epstein and Clintons

"BERKELEY HEIGHTS, N.J. — President Trump used Twitter on Saturday to promote unfounded conspiracy theories about how Jeffrey Epstein, the financier accused of sex trafficking, died in a federal prison, even as the administration faced questions about why Mr. Epstein had not been more closely monitored.

Hours after Mr. Epstein was found to have hanged himself in his Manhattan jail cell, Mr. Trump retweeted a post from the comedian Terrence Williams linking the Clintons to the death. Mr. Epstein “had information on Bill Clinton & now he’s dead,” wrote Mr. Williams, a Trump supporter. In an accompanying two-minute video, Mr. Williams noted that “for some odd reason, people that have information on the Clintons end up dead.”

There is no evidence to substantiate the claim, which derives from groundless speculation on the far right, dating to Mr. Clinton’s early days as president, that multiple deaths can be traced to the Clintons and explained by their supposed efforts to cover up wrongdoing.

Responding to Mr. Trump’s retweets, a spokesman for Mr. Clinton mockingly wrote, “Ridiculous, and of course not true — and Donald Trump knows it.” The spokesman, Angel Ureña, added, “Has he triggered the 25th Amendment yet?” The 25th Amendment contains a provision allowing for the removal of a president if he is unable to perform his duties, potentially in the event of mental instability."

Nambia Toledo Dotart Shithole: The fringe kook president.

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Response to Trevor (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:12 AM

1. He isn't wrong. People who have info on the Clinton's tend to come down

with a allergic reaction to breathing.

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:17 AM

2. How about Linda Tripp?

Or Larry Klayman, or Ken Starr, or Monica Lewinsky, or James Comey, or Newt Gingrich, or those lying Arkansas cops, or all the others? There is a list of alleged murders circulating among RW kooks but I don't know of anybody on it who posed a legal threat. The list creators might allege there was on but they have no evidence.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:01 PM

53. Why is James Comey on your list?

He did the Clintons a huge favor. After investigating Hillary to determine if she sent and received classified information on her personal, unsecured server, and if she failed to turn over all work related emails as required, he determined that BOTH things happened... and that he didn't recommend doing anything about it. It's not her fault, she was just grossly negligent... sorry, she was just "extremely careless".

Why would you want to kill someone who is willing to shoot their own credibility in the foot to protect you?


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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #53)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:05 PM

54. Because before that happened Comey was a threat.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #54)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:10 PM

55. I don't believe Comey was ever a threat to the Clintons, and I think they knew it.

If you think Hillary had no idea what was going on in the investigation until Comey announced his findings, you don't really know how the Clintons (and other powerful politicians) operate.

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #55)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:14 PM

56. You don't know either.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #56)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:18 PM

58. Not knowing has never stopped you

from spreading lies / propaganda and lefty opinion as if it were fact.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #56)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:23 PM

59. I do know that if you don't think Clinton had much more information than the media,

given that it was her people being asked and answering questions, then you are a fool. The investigation had many leaks, do you believe the next president of the united states didn't have any access to any of them?

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #59)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:35 PM

64. I've said before

Hillary knew all along they didn't have a case against her. You don't know of any specific leaks that Hillary alone had access to.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #64)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 03:20 PM

81. I think hillary knew all along that they werent going to try to make a case

Against her. Mueller went after people for far less than what Comey had on Clinton. I think Clinton knew Comey was pushing the “no intent, just incompetence” defense in his own investigation MONTHS before the FBI even interviewed Clinton to find out what her intent was. In hindsight, we all know that is what happened.

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #81)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 04:48 PM

95. I don't think that at all

Comey was around for a long time and had a reputation as an honest cop. I see no reason to believe otherwise.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #95)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:00 PM

113. One of the key people in Clinton's email investigation was also one of the people who was

working on getting Hillary's opposition research into the FBI investigation on Trump.

And you have to admit, Comey found proof of exactly what he was supposed to be looking for, and then turned around and said "fuck it, never mind".

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #113)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:06 PM

114. I don't have to admit

to what I don't believe and you have no proof for.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #114)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:12 PM

115. It's fairly well established that Comey was looking into the Clinton email "situation" to determine

if she (or anyone using that email server) mishandled classified information. There was also the question of whether she turned over all her work related emails. There isn't just evidence of this, there's PROOF of it. They have found classified material sent and received on her server. They have found work related emails sent from her email server that were NOT part of the collection she turned over to the government.

This isn't up for debate, nor is it "alleged". It happened. Comey found proof of what he was asked to investigate, and then he said it wasn't worth prosecuting, because reasons.

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #115)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:18 PM

119. He didn't find intent.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #119)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:58 PM

124. In the rules governing the handling of classified material, there is no section where it says

"if you aren't sure how to handle the material properly, just do whatever is easiest, and you won't get in trouble as long as you don't know any better".

In case you're wondering what the Clinton administration though of "intent" they were in the process of charging former CIA director John Deutch and Deutch had agreed to plead guilty of mishandling government secrets when president Clinton pardoned him on his last day in office. If he didn't think it was a big deal, why was the Clinton justice department working on charges, and why did President Clinton even find it necessary to pardon him?

Also, Comey started drafting the letter saying he didn't find "intent" weeks before he actually interviewed Clinton herself. Can you really determine there was no intent BEFORE you even talk to the person?

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #124)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:09 PM

125. We've been through this before.

Intent is a necessary element in most criminal prosecutions. Here's a case on the law in question:

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/312/19/

So John Deutch isn't even relevant.

Comey knew weeks in advance because the FBI searched for a year for an E-mail that was so obviously classified that Hillary had to have known. They didn't find one. Should Comey have suspected that Hillary would just blurt out that she had intent during the interview?

If we can accept the Mueller report the right ought to be able to accept the findings on Hillary but I guess we don't play the same way.

I'm very tired of arguing about this one.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #125)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:56 PM

132. Have you ever been trained in handling classified materials?

They're pretty clear on what the rules are, and you have to sign off saying you understand those rules. If you're not sure how to proceed in some situation, there are people you have to consult. If Clinton had received classified material, that in and of itself doesn't necessarily mean she committed a crime, provided she reports the breach so the problem can be addressed and avoided in the future. If she had a situation where things were time sensitive, there may also be exceptions for that, but neither is the case for Clinton. She set up a system where "classified" didn't mean anything and all material was handled the same way. Her "excuse" was that she didn't know how to recognize classified material, but if she had her training, she would have signed a form stating that she did know how to recognize it. Searching for a year for an email that was so obviously classified? That's not how classified markings work at all. It's not subjective. Something is either marked classified, or it isn't.

And your case is related to handing material over to isn't addressing the issue at all.
1. In order to constitute the crimes denounced by §§ 1(b) and 2 of the Espionage Act -- the obtaining of documents connected with or relating to the national defense and their delivery to an agent of a foreign country with an intent, or reason to believe, in each case, that they are to be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of a foreign nation -- it is not necessary that the documents contain information concerning the places or things (such as vessels, aircraft, forts, signal stations, codes or signal books) which are specifically mentioned in § 1(a) of the Act. P. 312 U. S. 25.

I don't think anyone accused Clinton espionage, which is what THIS law addresses.

This is the one you want. Note the word "intent" appears nowhere in it.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/46/503.59

I accept the findings on Hillary. She sent and received classified material and failed to turn over all her work related emails. Those are the findings, the facts, and they are not in dispute.

If people can argue over the conclusions that Mueller draws, shouldn't people be able to argue over the conclusions Comey draws?

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #132)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 07:14 PM

141. Most have accepted the conclusions Mueller made.

Mueller left some matters unconcluded. The right refuses to accept conclusions of a FBI director with a history of serving honestly under both parties. The right also refused to accept the conclusions of a team of career prosecutors at the Justice Department.

You are free to discuss it but I argued about this for months here.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #141)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:00 PM

144. That was the justice department that was lead by the person who

Secretly met with Bill Clinton just before Come announced his findings to “discuss the grandkids”. Are you really surprised people are skeptical that this was all on the up and up?

And even Comey and Lynch have conflicting accounts of how some issues were handled.

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #144)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:19 PM

146. Career prosecutors.

Find one that says the AG intervened. There was a whole team of them

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Response to Trevor (Reply #146)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:38 PM

152. Even Comey said it was wrong.

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Response to Carl (Reply #152)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:54 PM

161. Comey said what was wrong?

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Response to Trevor (Reply #161)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:12 PM

164. That was his excuse for playing Captain America,her meeting tainted things.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #146)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:40 PM

153. She didnt have to intervene, she made it clear early on what the goal was.

According to Comey, she instructed them to call the investigation a “matter” and NOT and investigation. According to Lynch, that didn’t happen. I’m not sure which one is lying, but one of them definitely is... both of them might be.

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #153)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:53 PM

160. There is a perfectly rational explanation for that I've given many times.

And its normal for different witnesses to have different recollections. They taught us in paralegal school that if witnesses agree on everything that probably means they got together and planned their stories.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #160)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:14 PM

165. No it is not rational,it is ridiculous.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #160)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:37 PM

170. There are situations where that happens. For example, I

Don’t recall if his tie was blue or green. On specific instructions that were pretty clearly out of line from an AG to the head of the FBI investigating the next president of the United States, this isn’t one of those situations.

By the way, Clinton and Lynch seemed to be very much in agreement on what they did and did not discuss. Should I suspect they got together and planned their stories?

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Response to Trevor (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:50 AM

3. How Presidential. Laughing stock of the entire world, he. I wish I had 50 more years

left in me as I would love to read what the historians scribe of this pathetic era of USA history...

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:04 AM

7. Which do you suppose will be written into the annals of history?

Millions of tax payers $$$ wasted on a seemingly endless investigation into an unfounded conspiracy theory of Trump/Russia collusion. Or: Trump retweets a comedian.

I hope you have 50 more years left to read about this era also.

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Response to Feed-the-Bears (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:16 AM

8. The fall of the USA will not be attributed to a few millions wasted on blow jobs or tRump & Russia

It will be the failure to listen to Eisenhower

Every borrowed cent is wasted on batshit insane "regime changes" and "homeland security"

Kind of like Rome

http://costofwar.com



The treasury has been pissed away on hegemony

The US is a morally, fiscally and spiritually bankrupt nation. And YOU got to see the fall.

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Response to Aquila (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:25 AM

13. Agreed, mostly.

Our central banking system and Federal reserve act sealed our fate long ago. Now it’s just a matter of time before the whole house of cards falls.

Our regime change wars were, and still are, designed to keep the Fed reserve note in place as world reserve currency. If that status changes the game is over.

War, and unimaginable suffering will be a symptom if not the result.

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Response to Trevor (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:21 AM

4. It's a legitimate question.

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Response to PrescientWon. (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:26 AM

5. Its kook rambling

"There is no evidence to substantiate the claim, which derives from groundless speculation on the far right, dating to Mr. Clinton’s early days as president, that multiple deaths can be traced to the Clintons and explained by their supposed efforts to cover up wrongdoing."

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Response to Trevor (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:16 AM

9. Then maybe MI6 spooks covering for Prince Andrew.

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Response to PrescientWon. (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:19 AM

11. Or maybe a suicide.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:34 AM

15. He told friends recently he was attacked in jail

Reportedly was upbeat and pass the psych exam to get out of special handling unit.

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Response to PrescientWon. (Reply #15)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:00 PM

25. If he was attacked by the murderers

why didn't they kill him the first time? Why didn't he tell the authorities who his attackers were?

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Response to Trevor (Reply #25)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:05 PM

73. I wasn't there... lots we don't know

Maybe it was a warning attack NOT to give the FEDS his password to a cloud server?

Who knows... all we DO KNOW is that the #2 highest profile Federal Prisoner in US Custody just killed himself under the nose of everyone.

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Response to PrescientWon. (Reply #73)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:08 PM

74. If nobody knows

then the rest is just speculation.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #74)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:12 PM

75. Speculation... like Michael in Cohen in Prague meeting with Russian Intel?

I heard shit like that for 1+ year...

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Response to PrescientWon. (Reply #75)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 06:15 PM

104. Cohen denied it right away.

Said he had never been to Prague. So I didn't see anybody in the media give it as a fact.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #104)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 08:24 PM

111. ask Madcow and Mika...

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Response to PrescientWon. (Reply #111)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 08:41 PM

112. I didn't see Maddow claim it.

I never watch Mika. I'm not sure who that even is.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #112)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:18 PM

128. you're not very good at this... wink wink

Michael Cohen’s cell phone briefly activated near Prague around time of purported Russia meeting | McClatchy Washington Bureau https://t.co/RYOCOdiItk— Rachel Maddow MSNBC (@maddow) December 27, 2018

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/new-report-suggests-michael-cohen-was-prague-key-2016-moment

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Response to PrescientWon. (Reply #128)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:33 PM

131. She was just reporting what McClatchy reported.

Unexplained mystery to this day as far as I know.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #74)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 03:54 PM

90. Like your claims that Trump told Flynn to lie?

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Response to Carl (Reply #90)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 06:12 PM

103. Get over that.

You are wrong far more often than me.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #103)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:15 PM

116. Not even close dude,it is why your postings here are laughed at on swift level.

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Response to Carl (Reply #116)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:55 PM

123. I was closer than you think

Read page 29 part 2 of the Mueller report. When the Washington Post published the story about Flynn's phone call Trump was furious. Trump contacted Priebus and said "What the hell is this?" Priebus contacted Flynn and told him
that he had talked to the boss and Flynn was told to kill the story. So its very likely that Trump told Flynn to lie to the Washington Post. It would be natural for Flynn to believe he was still under those orders when the FBI interviewed him. From the conversation with Priebus Flynn lied to everybody else at the White House too. You laugh at things not knowing what is true from what isn't.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/18/politics/full-mueller-report-pdf/index.html

Let's see if you can refute this or if all you can do is insult.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #123)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 05:55 AM

136. By your own admission you have no real clue,just speculation.

Just shit you make up and declare as fact.

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Response to Carl (Reply #136)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 07:26 PM

143. I backed that up with the Mueller report.

That's as close to fact as it is possible to get. I didn't make it up. That's a filthy lie from you. And as always, you can't refute it so you insult instead. Pathetic!

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Response to Trevor (Reply #143)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:33 PM

148. No,your baseless guessing is the filthy lie.

It is the bullshit you spew and no attempts at playing offended change it.

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Response to Carl (Reply #116)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:19 PM

129. This was alerted on as being threatening.

".....it is why your postings here are laughed at on swift level....."

I dunno why, so had to vote no violation, no hide.

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Response to imwithfred (Reply #129)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:43 PM

155. Someone is in a snit.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 03:47 AM

17. Epstein was possibly the most important person in that jail awaiting trial. ...

A week or so ago he had a different incident that might have been a suicide attempt.

Surely those in charge if that prison would have realized either he was a threat to himself or was a target if others and would have taken extra precautions to insure his safety.

No matter how I try to look at it something smellsl fishy here. REAL FISHY.

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Response to batcat (Reply #17)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:26 PM

37. Everything isn't run perfectly.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #37)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:49 PM

67. It becomes hard to make excuses for this level of incompetence. ...

It’s far easier to assume that some nefarious activities were in play and investigate to find out the real story.

Unfortunately my personal viewpoint is that we will never know how Epstein died. Any investigation will be just another whitewash and the truth will be covered up.

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Response to batcat (Reply #67)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:17 PM

79. Investigations rarely change minds.

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Response to Trevor (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:29 AM

6. Lefty, MSM, and hundreds of democrats Share Unfounded Fringe Theory About Trump and Russia

For over two fucking years, and they’re still at it.

So somehow NOW unfounded conspiracy theories are a problem?

Will lefty hypocrisy never cease?

Your constant bleating makes you more irrelevant by the day.

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Response to Feed-the-Bears (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:17 AM

10. There were powerful reasons to suspect Trump and Russia.

And we didn't say it DID happen, we only said to investigate it.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:39 AM

16. History will show.

That what you call powerful reasons, were just made up bullshit.

Latest powerful reason news suggests that Nellie Orr may have just made up the Steele dossier out of whole cloth.

The entire episode is crumbling faster than msm can work damage control.

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Response to Feed-the-Bears (Reply #16)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 05:53 AM

19. That's a good one.

She can explain it away by saying it was actually a novel she was writing and someone took it out of context.

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Response to Feed-the-Bears (Reply #16)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:08 PM

26. For one thing

Almost from the moment they hit Washington, Trump's underlings were running around town trying to get Russian sanctions lifted. We know the Russians did things for Trump. We know Trump did things for the Russians. That's suspicious.

Steele exists. Nellie Ohr didn't make up the dossier. Your post is crazy.,

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Response to Trevor (Reply #26)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:10 PM

28. You have no clue what Ohr did or didn't do.

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Response to Carl (Reply #28)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:30 PM

39. Do you think all the investigations into the dossier

failed to realize it didn't come from Steele? I have no clue how you could think that.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #39)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 03:44 PM

84. Since they avoided talking about it at all cost we have no clue.

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Response to Carl (Reply #84)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 04:51 PM

96. Its been talked about endlessly.

The GOP has been digging into it zealously since early 2017.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #96)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:17 PM

118. Your post was about Mueller.

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Response to Carl (Reply #118)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:26 PM

120. I just went back though

No posts about Mueller on this current subject.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #26)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:24 PM

34. Steele exists

So the Clinton campaign and the DNC conspired with a foreign national to harm a political opponent?

Did Mueller find any evidence of what you claim? Did his office persue this lead? If not why not?

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Response to Feed-the-Bears (Reply #34)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:53 PM

49. "Conspire" implies they did something illegal.

Last edited Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:39 PM - Edit history (2)

I'm sure if Steele didn't write the dossier Mueller would have found out

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Response to Trevor (Reply #49)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:17 PM

57. Who wrote it?

The Russians, Huma, Glenn Simpson, the ghost of Vince Foster?

The salient fact here is that Steele was paid for it. By the DNC, and the Clinton campaign.
No amount of your obfuscation or blathering about how my posts are “crazy” will change that fact.

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Response to Feed-the-Bears (Reply #57)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:38 PM

66. sorry

I left out the word IF in my post. Please read it again.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #49)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:36 PM

65. So does "collude" the way dems and msm were using it.

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Response to Feed-the-Bears (Reply #34)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:14 PM

126. Carl thinks Mrs. Ohr wrote the dossier.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #126)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 05:59 AM

137. Show me where I stated that.

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Response to Carl (Reply #137)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:16 PM

145. Feed-the-Bears said:

""Latest powerful reason news suggests that Nellie Orr may have just made up the Steele dossier out of whole cloth."

Trevor said, "Steele exists. Nellie Ohr didn't make up the dossier. Your post is crazy."

Carl said, "You have no clue what Ohr did or didn't do."

Trevor asked, " Do you think all the investigations into the dossier failed to realize it didn't come from Steele? I have no clue how you could think that."

Carl came back with, " Since they avoided talking about it at all cost we have no clue."

So Carl thinks Nellie Ohr at least might have written the dossier. This is where you said it. And it doesn't fall anywhere near reality.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #145)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:35 PM

149. I siad no one really knows,including you and lots of shit that was attempted to be hidden has

come to light.

I never stated that I think she did.
You just admitted your previous post was a lie.

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Response to Carl (Reply #149)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:41 PM

154. I didn't admit to anything.

Steele wrote the dossier. That is fact. So saying nobody really knows is a lie.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #154)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 05:12 AM

172. The so called "facts" have been ever changing in the entire hoax.

At one time it was never used in a FISA warrant either.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #26)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:56 PM

70. Having different foreign policy ideas than the previous administratuion is NOT grounds for suspicion

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #70)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:05 PM

72. Out of all the things they would want to do upon taking office

They jumped on this as one of the first. Very unlikely on its own.

They did things for Trump. Trump did things for them. That's suspicious.

You guys jumped all over Uranium One which only had half of this equation.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #26)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 04:43 PM

94. Would that be the

NBC News reported "technical fix, planned under Obama, to avoid unintended consequences of cybersanctions."

Which our fake msm parroted as :

"US Treasury Dept easing Obama admin sanctions to allow companies to do transactions with Russia’s FSB, successor org to KGB"

“Trump administration modifies sanctions against Russian intelligence service.”



You do realize you have run from every sub thread here in disgrace, right?

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Response to kevlar (Reply #94)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 05:47 PM

97. That would be this:

Former officials: Trump seemed prepared to lift Russia sanctions 'in exchange for absolutely nothing'

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-wanted-to-lift-russia-sanctions-days-after-taking-office-2017-6

I don't run. I don't continue conversations that disintegrate into nothing of value. Disgrace is what you see but its not reality.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #26)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 10:21 AM

173. Keep telling everyone...

About Russian.

Oh wait...

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Response to Trevor (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 05:51 AM

18. No there wasn't.

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Response to Carl (Reply #18)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:09 PM

27. How about?

Trump denying that the Russians hacked when everybody normal knew that they did? You don't think that was suspicious? Trying to cover up Russian crimes?

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Response to Trevor (Reply #27)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:11 PM

29. Blah blah blah.

With all the shit that has come to light nothing is known as a fact.

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Response to Carl (Reply #29)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:31 PM

40. We place our trust in reasonable certainties.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #40)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:51 PM

69. Its a reasonable certainty that the DNC and crowdstrike misled the leftist friendly fbi...

Of that time, and was colluding with them.

Thats why james baker (fbi) was meeting with dnc lawyers weeks before any warrants were ever issued, before the election even happened.


Does trevor know how many of muellers team of partisan hacks were involved in that fiasco?

"Imagine a husband reports that his wife has been murdered but refuses to let the authorities examine her body and, instead, submits an autopsy report by a private investigator he’s commissioned who used to work for one of the officers leading the investigation and that the report just so happens to accuse someone with whom the private eye has an ax to grind. That’s what has been going on with the government’s various investigations into the alleged Russian hacking of the DNC.

But now, thanks to Mueller’s indictment of Stone, we find out that the husband didn’t even give the authorities the final report he commissioned but, instead, only let them see a redacted draft version. If a local police department behaved in this way, there would be outrage accompanied by a great deal of skepticism about the conclusions of the report for which the husband paid accusing someone its author just so happens to detest of the most serious possible crime."

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #69)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:00 PM

71. Leftist friendly FBI?

ROFL!!!

Conspiracy theorists always believe everybody was in on it.


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Response to Trevor (Reply #71)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:13 PM

76. Do the names peter strzok and andrew weissman ring a bell, trevor?

Their OWN WORDS show them leftist friendly, along with andy mccabe and others.

How about the rest of muellers partisan hack team? You do realized they came from within the FBI themselves, many if not most of them?

CrowdStrike's accuracy is far from a given. Days after Comey’s testimony, CrowdStrike was forced to retract its claim that Russian software was used to hack Ukrainian military hardware. CrowdStrike's error is especially relevant because it had accused the GRU of using that same software in hacking the DNC.

There is also reason to question CrowdStrike's impartiality. Its co-founder, Dmitri Alperovitch, is a nonresident senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, the preeminent Washington think tank that aggressively promotes a hawkish posture towards Russia. CrowdStrike executive Shawn Henry, who led the forensics team that ultimately blamed Russia for the DNC breach, previously served as assistant director at the FBI under Mueller.

And CrowdStrike was hired to perform the analysis of the DNC servers by Perkins Coie – the law firm that also was responsible for contracting Fusion GPS, the Washington, D.C.-based opposition research firm that produced the now discredited Steele dossier alleging salacious misconduct by Trump in Russia and his susceptibility to blackmail.

A CrowdStrike spokesperson declined a request for comment on its role in the Russia investigation.

The picture is further clouded by the conflicting accounts regarding the servers. A DNC spokesperson told BuzzFeed in early January 2017 that "the FBI never requested access to the DNC's computer servers." But Comey told the Senate Select Intelligence Committee days later that the FBI made "multiple requests at different levels," but for unknown reasons, he explained, those requests were denied.

While failing to identify the “different levels” he consulted, Comey never explained why the FBI took no for an answer. As part of a criminal investigation, the FBI could have seized the servers to ensure a proper chain of evidentiary custody. In investigating a crime, alleged victims do not get to dictate to law enforcement how they can inspect the crime scene.

In other words, the government allowed CrowdStrike and the Democratic Party’s legal counsel to decide what it could and could not see in reports on Russian hacking, thereby surrendering the ability to independently vet their claims. The government also took CrowdStrike's word that "no redacted information concerned the attribution of the attack to Russian actors."

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Response to Trevor (Reply #40)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 03:45 PM

86. Like Brennan,Clapper,and Comey?

All known liars.

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Response to Carl (Reply #86)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 06:17 PM

105. People the right has turned into villains

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Response to Trevor (Reply #105)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:16 PM

117. You mean like democrats did when Brennen admitted to lying about spying on them?

Keep digging the hole Trev.

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Response to Carl (Reply #117)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:17 PM

127. You have a collection of mud to throw

and you throw the same things over and over. How about instead of talking about Brennen lying years ago we talk about the huge lie Trump told today?

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Response to Trevor (Reply #127)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 05:52 AM

134. Your attempt at deflection is poor.

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Response to Carl (Reply #134)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:29 PM

147. No.I was talking about what is in the OP.

Everybody else has been deflecting away from that. They don't want to admit that their leader takes up kook fringe conspiracy lies. I've been responding to most of what they've thrown. I'm not the one here who deflects.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #147)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:37 PM

151. No,you have caught yourself in a corner again without thinking.

Want to talk about kook fringe lies by a President or current democrat candidates then look at BLM.

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Response to Carl (Reply #151)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:45 PM

156. I want to talk about the current news.

I'm never in a corner. That's another lie from you.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #156)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:47 PM

157. Because you can't stand your hypocritical and ill thought out posts being mocked.

You always put yourself in a corner and then run away Trev.
The pattern never fails to repeat itself.

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Response to Carl (Reply #157)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:50 PM

159. You tell that same lie all the time.

You have nothing else to offer.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #159)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:11 PM

163. Trevor,it has always been the case,it is an inside joke how your postings always devolve.

Cry about it all you want but it is the fact.

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Response to Carl (Reply #163)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:14 PM

166. You swap jokes with like minded souls.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #166)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:16 PM

168. Yes,those that display intelligence and reading comprehension.

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Response to Carl (Reply #168)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:39 PM

169. Its cute how you turn to each other for support.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #169)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 05:10 AM

171. Show me where I have done that.

We are back to the reading comprehension issue again.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #27)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:26 PM

36. Did the FBI inspect the servers?

Or just a 3rd party contractor, who the FBI then believed with very little evidence.

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Response to Feed-the-Bears (Reply #36)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:35 PM

42. There was a thorough investigation.

The FBI knew the Russians hacked the DNC long before the DNC knew.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #42)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:39 PM

45. Thorough

would mean doing their own forensics.

Yet anther of your lies/narrative.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #42)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:41 PM

46. So thorough investigation means

Obtaining a summary of a report from A 3rd party private vendor that the DNC hired?

Wow. Next time i get into hot water with the FBI, i will hire a private investigator to investigate the evidence, and me, then provide a summary to the FBI.
We will all call that a thorough investigation.

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Response to Feed-the-Bears (Reply #46)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:55 PM

50. OK.

If the FBI witnessed the entire crime as it happened.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #27)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:17 AM

140. You need to change the wording on that

it wasn't everyone knew it was many speculated

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Response to Valishin (Reply #140)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:36 PM

150. There was much more to it than speculation.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 06:08 AM

20. Name them.

And, yes, leftists absolutely DID say it happened; to state otherwise is incredibly obtuse. That failed, so now leftists are saying Trump is IN FACT a racist, white supremacist, hoping like hell that'll get them what they want.

Screw governing, leftist pols will ignore everything to own the cons. Screw reporting news, leftist media will vomit out any lie to aid their master's agenda. Screw being decent, civilized human beings, leftists will commit any action to further the insane ideas percolating in their institutionally warped minds while remaining ignorant of the fact that they're wholly dispensable.

I didn't care for Trump when he announced, but I cared for Clinton even less. The last years of leftist idiocy, after 8 of idol worship, has made me reevaluate my attitude.

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Response to HerasHeaddress (Reply #20)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:17 PM

31. Link me to leftists definitely saying there was a conspiracy.

I've been challenging here for a while now and nobody has been able to provide a single one. Schiff said there was collusion but he defines collusion differently. Schiff explained what he was talking about and those things happened.

Your reasons for outrage against the left apply more to the right. Right here is an example of how outrageously the right can lie.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #31)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:33 PM

41. Now that

 

Was quite the feat of mental gymnastics Trevor.
By the way are you ready to back up your claims that President Trump is a racist?

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Response to Tolk (Reply #41)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:36 PM

43. I'd rather conduct an interrogation of YOU.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #43)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 03:44 PM

85. Typical lefty redirection.

You have nothing, so you make shit up, practice whataboutism, so on. I'm so damn glad I finally realized what the left is about.

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Response to HerasHeaddress (Reply #85)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 05:52 PM

99. I'm not going to let Tolk bully me

I don't make shit up.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #31)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 03:52 PM

88. One does not get to pick their own definition of words.

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Response to Carl (Reply #88)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 05:55 PM

100. Yes, people do that all the time.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #100)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:29 PM

121. And are ridiculed for it.

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Response to Carl (Reply #121)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:25 PM

130. Who cares?

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Response to Trevor (Reply #130)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 05:53 AM

135. Normal people.

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Response to Carl (Reply #135)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:49 PM

158. Normal people understand

that different people define things differently.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #158)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:15 PM

167. Normal people don't try to rewrite the dictionary.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #31)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 03:55 PM

91. Stop acting ignorant.

I know you aren't.

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Response to HerasHeaddress (Reply #91)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 05:57 PM

101. Where are your links?

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Response to Carl (Reply #92)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 06:11 PM

102. That meets my challenge

I'll concede on this one time.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 07:53 AM

22. "And we didn't say it DID happen, we only said to investigate it."

I guess your definition of "we" does not include the leftwing media who were on the air every day (and some still are) telling us that Trump colluded and obstructed, not does it include any left here (including you) who did the same.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #22)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:21 PM

32. I'll say it again to you

I've been challenging for somebody to come up with some links to where the mainstream media said Trump definitely conspired since the Mueller report came out. So far not a single link has met the challenge.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #32)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:49 PM

68. OK

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/21/mueller-report-trump-nadler-impeachment

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-nadler/mueller-report-shows-evidence-trump-committed-crimes-house-judiciary-chairman-says-idUSKCN1UG0IK

Plus about 3 or 4 thousand references on the liberal media to known collusion and known obstruction. Don Lemon, Joe Scarborough, Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow just to name a few.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #68)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:16 PM

77. Your links are about obstruction of justice.

Not conspiring with Russia.

If there are 3 or 4 thousand examples you should be able to link to 5.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #77)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 03:21 PM

82. Oh hell, then double the amount.

You couldn't turn on the leftwing media without someone saying something to the effect of "look, we know Trump colluded with the Russians..."

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #82)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 03:36 PM

83. That's what you heard

Not what they said.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #83)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 04:39 PM

93. They?

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #93)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 05:49 PM

98. "the leftwing media"

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Response to Trevor (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 08:12 AM

23. Your 'we' must not include lyin adam schiff.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #23)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:22 PM

33. We've been through that one.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #33)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:00 PM

52. Yes, and you got spanked, as usual.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:59 AM

139. Winning an election while not being a leftist

is not a powerful reason to suspect anyone of anything other than not being a leftist.

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Response to Valishin (Reply #139)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:00 PM

162. I didn't give that as a reason.

I don't know of anybody who did/

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Response to Feed-the-Bears (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:20 AM

12. Real actual "lefty's" never bought the Trump Russia bullshit

Not for a second



There's a reason that MSNBC won't ever have Jimmy Dore or Aaron Mate on

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Response to Aquila (Reply #12)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:32 AM

14. I dont recall seeing real actual lefty

Calling bullshit on Mueller during the two years he was investigating.
Who was in control of the lefty narrative from late 2016 through Mueller’s house testimony, fake news lefty?

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Response to Feed-the-Bears (Reply #14)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:25 PM

35. I don't know of any bullshit from Mueller

Therefore, I don't see why anybody would have accused him of it.

Nobody is in charge of the lefty narrative. Do you think there is a big conspiracy?

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Response to Trevor (Reply #35)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:28 PM

38. Its not a conspiracy if they are really out to get Trump

The “bullshit” is a complete lack of evidence suggesting trump colluded with Russia.

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Response to Feed-the-Bears (Reply #38)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:37 PM

44. Mueller never alleged anything that wasn't a fact.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #44)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:49 PM

48. Imagine that

None of his allegations led to criminal prosecutions of anyone for colluding/conspiring with foreign entities to benefit an election campaign.
I would call that BULLSHIT.

Especially since evidence suggested the Clinton campaign was engaged in the very thing that Mueller was looking for. Remember now, Steele exists.

I noticed that Mueller failed to allege any facts involving Hillary's campaign, was that just an oversight?

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Response to Feed-the-Bears (Reply #48)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:57 PM

51. Mueller wasn't tasked with investigating Hillary.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #51)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:23 PM

60. Mueller was tasked with finding collusion

During the 2016 presidential campaign, and given broad latitude to investigate any wrong doing that arose out of his investigation. His team had full knowledge of what the Hillary campaign was up to with Steele. He chose not to follow the clear evidence. You think he may have chosen that path out of self preservation?

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Response to Feed-the-Bears (Reply #60)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:32 PM

62. Your groundless accusations against Hillary

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Response to Trevor (Reply #62)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 03:45 PM

87. She didn't pay 12.4 million

filtered through lawyers and fusion to pay a foreign entity to create the Steele dossier and distribute to the U.S. government and journalists?

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Response to Feed-the-Bears (Reply #60)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:34 PM

63. 12.4 MILLION

filtered through lawyers and fusion to pay a foreign entity to create the Steele dossier and distribute to the U.S. government and journalists.

Nothing to see, move along.

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Response to kevlar (Reply #63)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 06:21 PM

106. 12.4 million was the entire law firm bill

for all their services to her campaign. Steele got only a small fraction of that.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #106)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 06:40 PM

107. How would anyone know?

Hillary for America, DNC Failed to Disclose Legally Required Information about Funding of Trump-Russia Dossier

https://campaignlegal.org/press-releases/hillary-america-dnc-failed-disclose-legally-required-information-about-funding-trump


Allegations That Clinton Campaign Funded Trump-Russia Research Still Pending At Now-Closed FEC

"The Clinton campaign and the DNC did not comply with their legal obligation to disclose their payments to Fusion for opposition research. Instead, they concealed the fact that any payments were made to Fusion at all."

During the 2016 election cycle, Hillary for America reported $5,631,421 in payments to Perkins Coie. These were described as "Legal Services."

Further, the DNC reported paying Perkins Coie $6,466,711 for “Legal and Compliance Consulting."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/legalnewsline/2019/01/15/allegations-that-clinton-campaign-funded-trump-russia-research-still-pending-at-now-closed-fec/#340da9523d99


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Response to kevlar (Reply #107)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 07:48 PM

108. Didn't the Republicans get a hold of Fusion's checking record?

Looks like the FEC complaint was filed back in January. Did anything ever come of it?

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Response to Trevor (Reply #108)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 08:05 PM

110. The actual amount is irrelevant,

the effort to disguise the payments is far more informative.

I wonder what else is buried in the payments?

Maybe a couple million under "leakseal" or "stopleak"?

You are a joke Trevor.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #51)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:29 PM

61. "Any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation".

The only way. trevor, that clinton/dnc matters do NOT "arise" as part of this investigation, is if mueller and his team wish them not to.


This is what you fail to understand, which everyone else understands completely.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #61)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 07:51 PM

109. Anything had to got through the Trump investigation first.

Hillary and Trump had nothing in common about Russia.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #109)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 11:46 PM

133. Exactly

Trump did not collude/conspire with Russia. Hillary, through, Perkins Coie, Fusion Partners, and ultimately Steele, clearly conspired to get dirt on the Trump campaign, Russian dirt.

Much like when she mishandled classified e mails, she was never held to account for her lawbreaking.

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Response to Trevor (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 06:51 AM

21. Fringe? Nobody in The universe thinks he killed him self.

Sure the lemming cult members of the church of MSMDNC will say he killed him self but no one listens to them anymore.

The Clinton cartel is certainly in the list of who benefits from him untimely death. The fact that high level democrats were being named points to the left also. So no not fringe.

One would also think Epstein would want to live to see other pedophiles fall. I imagine he had the mind set of exposing the hypocrisy of the people denouncing him today yet partying with the little kids before.

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Response to DDKick (Reply #21)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:42 PM

47. The Clintons aren't on the list of beneficiaries.

Many girls have come forward and so far none has alleged sex with Clinton. You guys believe Clinton is guilty because you want to believe that, not because there is evidence.

No rational person thinks the Clintons murdered Epstein.

You IMAGINE....

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Response to Trevor (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 11:43 AM

24. Trump's just trying to misdirect suspicion away from himself

He was an Epstein pal.

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Response to swifty (Reply #24)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:12 PM

30. And there is the leftist lie posted.

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Response to Carl (Reply #30)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:33 PM

80. Yep, and Clinton was never there.

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Response to Trevor (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:43 PM

122. "There is no evidence to substantiate the claim"

Democrats don't need evidence to accuse people. Why does anybody else?

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Response to Trevor (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:55 AM

138. This has something for everyone...

If you don’t like Trump, or the Clintons, or Russia, or Israel, or the CIA, or liberal Hollywood elite, or the Royal family, or Wall Street, etc... you can float a tinfoil hat theory how they killed Epstein.

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #138)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 07:16 PM

142. That was my first thought when news of the suicide came out.

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