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Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:43 PM

I need AR-15 advice.

For now I live in California.

I'd really like to build a 300 Blk, preferably a 7.5" pistol.

I assume the firearm is illegal here, right?

What CAN I legally buy here? Can I buy a 300 blk build kit with no lower?

What is illegal here?

Are all AR15 lowers illegal here? Or are their special Cali models with a fixed mag?

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Reply I need AR-15 advice. (Original post)
PrescientWon. Tuesday OP
Iron Condor Tuesday #1
Tovera Tuesday #2
PrescientWon. Tuesday #3
Crazy D Tuesday #5
PrescientWon. Tuesday #6
Crazy D Wednesday #15
Iron Condor Wednesday #17
Iron Condor Tuesday #7
His Daughter Tuesday #4
fools_gold Tuesday #8
His Daughter Tuesday #9
fools_gold Tuesday #11
Crazy D Wednesday #16
Iron Condor Tuesday #10
Iron Condor Tuesday #12
PrescientWon. Tuesday #14
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Response to PrescientWon. (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:45 PM

1. Here you go. Here's a flow chart that'll answer your question

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Response to PrescientWon. (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:49 PM

2. Shoot CrazyD a PM.

The guy builds ARs, and while I'm no expert on the platform, they look great to me. Moreover, you can tell from his posts that he knows what he's talking about, particularly with this weapon. He may or may not know about CA legality, but I suspect he'd be someone to have a good chat about your plans with.

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Response to Tovera (Reply #2)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:51 PM

3. Cool thanks

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Response to PrescientWon. (Reply #3)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:02 PM

5. Give me a day and I post you something

I think you're SOL, any company that sells AR stuff doesn't ship to California so you have to buy local.

Current la la land law as I understand it is any Ar type rifle has to have a fixed magazine, you have to physically open the upper up to load the weapon.

Pistols also have to be on the California approved list, and I doubt any are

You're screwed me-thinks

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Response to Crazy D (Reply #5)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:14 PM

6. So I can't even collect build kits with no lowers?

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Response to PrescientWon. (Reply #6)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 10:09 AM

15. You'll have to shop around online and see who ships there

Alot of the major AR parts outlets don't to avoid legal hassles

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Response to PrescientWon. (Reply #6)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 01:22 PM

17. Check these dealers out

Barrels, Bolts, Bolt Carriers and other parts:

https://www.jprifles.com/index.php




Upper Receivers, Hand Guards and other parts:

https://www.aeroprecisionusa.com/




80% Lowers, Tools, Trigger Group Parts Kits and other parts:

https://www.80percentarms.com/




Uppers, Barrels, Accessories and other parts:

https://www.fulton-armory.com/FAR-15.aspx




And Brownells is, well, Brownells:

https://www.brownells.com/


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Response to Crazy D (Reply #5)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:31 PM

7. California compliant "fixed" magizine examples

And one of these three ways will make an AR California compliant regarding the fixed magazine rule:


1) Turning your AR into what California refers to as a "featureless" rifle. A featureless rifle will allow your rifle to have a normal functioning detachable magazine - see video #1 and photo at bottom.

2) A feeding device which will feed ammo into your attached and fixed magazine - see video #2

3) A device which breaks open the upper & lower receiver which then allows the mag release to work - see video #3





















An example of a "featureless" rifle in California. This is another example of "featureless" stock similar to what's in the first video above. With a featureless stock an AR, like an M1A, does not need to comply to the fixed magazine rule.




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Response to PrescientWon. (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:53 PM

4. 300 Blackout in a pistol?

The CalGuns chart is the best guidance out there.

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #4)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:38 PM

8. But that chart is for rifles (if it's the one above)

My first 300 BLK was a 10.5 in barrel pistol, built on an "other" registered lower (on the 4473) until I got my SBR stamp and put a collapsible stock on it. So 300 BLK pistols do exist.

But I think CrazyD is right about it not being on the CA approved pistols list. I don't live in CA anymore so I don't keep track, but I doubt it's there.

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Response to fools_gold (Reply #8)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:40 PM

9. I was just thinking about controllability without a brace

I like the cartridge and have an upper for it.

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #9)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:44 PM

11. That is a valid issue.

Until I got the SBR stamp I just had a "pistol" recoil buffer tube with a foam sleeve on it. I only fired it a few times in that configuration, and from the hip with a hand on the foregrip. I never even thought about trying to aim it like a pistol.

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Response to fools_gold (Reply #11)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 10:14 AM

16. I've avoided doing a AR pistol because I've always expected the ATF to flip flop on the rulings

And given the current anti gun push think pistol braces are soon to be banned

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Response to PrescientWon. (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:42 PM

10. I highly recommend going over to calguns.net

Lots and lots of good posts and information you need to stay legal in California. Creating an account will open up the off-topic and a few other forums. Lots of good folks on calguns and like I said. Its the best site regarding California laws and such.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/index.php

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Response to PrescientWon. (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:57 PM

12. Good video

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Response to Iron Condor (Reply #12)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 06:38 PM

14. outstanding video

So it seems...

the best you can do in Cali is a "full length" AR15 with no flash hider, vertical foregrip and a fixed stock and a "finned" pistol grip.

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