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Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:58 PM

New Zealand gun buyback

Since the mass shootings at Christchurch mosques that killed 51 people, New Zealand’s government has purchased more than 10,000 firearms as part of a buyback program. The government there, by a vote of 119-1, outlawed most automatic and semiautomatic weapons and set aside NZ$150 million to buy the guns that are now illegal.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/12/new-zealand-gun-buyback-10000-firearms-returned-after-christchurch-attack

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Reply New Zealand gun buyback (Original post)
jh4freedom Tuesday OP
His Daughter Tuesday #1
sipow Tuesday #5
His Daughter Tuesday #6
oldenuff35 Tuesday #7
DP46 Tuesday #8
oldenuff35 Tuesday #9
sipow Tuesday #21
Hades Tuesday #14
sipow Tuesday #22
Hades Wednesday #28
sipow Wednesday #29
Banshee 3 Actual Tuesday #10
Currentsitguy Tuesday #2
Grumpy Pickle Tuesday #12
357blackhawk Tuesday #3
Gunslinger201 Tuesday #4
RetiredCop3061 Tuesday #15
jh4freedom Tuesday #18
Carl Tuesday #20
Banshee 3 Actual Tuesday #23
SickOfThisMess Tuesday #24
KittyCatIdiots Tuesday #11
rahtruelies Tuesday #13
Jardinier Tuesday #16
jh4freedom Tuesday #17
Carl Tuesday #19
DP46 Tuesday #25
pavulon-lives Tuesday #26
DP46 Wednesday #27

Response to jh4freedom (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:02 PM

1. A mere fraction and they are not paying anywhere near market value

Look at the math in the US. 400-500 million firearms. $1K each. That is before the cost of setting up and administering the program, which could nearly double the cost.

You ready to pay that amount?

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:29 PM

5. I'm not sure that talking about market value makes much sense in this case.

They have already passed the law making it illegal to own or sell one of these firearms.

Since you can't sell it, the (legal) market value is zero.

All (legal) gun owners have to register their firearms, so the government already knows if you have a newly illegal firearm or not. They have little choice other than to turn it over and take whatever the government gives them for it, or break the law.

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Response to sipow (Reply #5)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:38 PM

6. US law requires compensation for property seized at the market rate before the seizure occured

In this case they declared a top line and set prices well below prior market value.

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #6)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 03:26 PM

7. I agree with your posts but they stop a few questions short of any kind of an end result.

The left thinks it is just as easy as passing some new laws.

It isn't.

They left must know that there are a lot of firearms owners out there who have never broken the current firearms laws but who will never willingly give up their guns.

To put it bluntly, these currently law abiding citizens are willing to kill and die to maintain their 2A constitutional rights.
There are many, many, citizens who are now and will be willing to die to protect their constitutional rights.

SO,

The pertinent question is and has been,

How many on the left are willing to die for their political ideals that include depriving good citizens of their constitutional rights?

So, lefty, step right on up and be counted as willing to die for your ideals and beliefs.

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #7)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 03:42 PM

8. One additional note

Unlike the Lefty wishful view of gun owners ... most are not overweight slobs, living in Mom's basement (projection?)

Many of those gun owners are former military and know how to use the weapons they trained on and that many of us fought with.

I let a WW II Veteran use my Garand at the range earlier last summer. Hadn't touched one since 1946. In 3 or 4 shots he was smiling and reloading new clips like riding a bicycle.

I have no doubt he and many others like him would be "less than enthusiastic" about some government weasel demanding his personal property.

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Response to DP46 (Reply #8)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 03:52 PM

9. Good points. The left loves to believe their own lies about gun owners.

Well over a hundred million gun owners in our nation have never committed a dangerous or illegal act with their firearms. Not one of their firearms have killed as many people as ted kenndys car did.

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #6)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 09:46 PM

21. I'm not arguing in favor of what they are doing.

Just pointing out the way they did it, they destroyed the market value first - then offered a buyback.

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Response to sipow (Reply #5)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:04 PM

14. Making something property illegal...

...then giving a pitiable amount for it is unconditional in the USA. And the owners in NZ could just hide some of their guns off property and say they were stolen the day before when they come to confiscate them. How will the government probe them wrong? Innocent until proven guilty.

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Response to Hades (Reply #14)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 09:49 PM

22. Sure. The point I was responding to was the below market value payment given.

Sure, someone could hide the firearms and lie about it. However that will make them a criminal - perhaps unproven, but a criminal none the less.

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Response to sipow (Reply #22)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 10:39 AM

28. In America...

...if the government offers $200 for $1,000 guns or zero after a period of time, most won’t turn them in and then there will be a lot of dead cops and gun owners when the shoot outs begin over confiscation.

And a lot of sanctuaries, as red states will follow the blue state idea of ignoring laws they don’t like and legalize those guns in their state and refuse to allow cops to enforce it.

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Response to Hades (Reply #28)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 12:08 PM

29. This isn't in America. this is in New Zealand.

Different rules, different mentality.

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 03:58 PM

10. LW never pays out of their pocket, always out of ours

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Response to jh4freedom (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:09 PM

2. My weapons are not for sale, at any price.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #2)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 05:22 PM

12. Exactly.

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Response to jh4freedom (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:11 PM

3. Which is exactly what the attacker predicted and wanted

Of course, if you read the rant there, you would be facing ten years in prison.

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Response to jh4freedom (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:17 PM

4. They wish they had a 2nd Amendment

Hong Kong too

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #4)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:09 PM

15. Well, it's my guess that, if lefty wants to see a gun buy-back program,.........

he'll just have to move to New Zealand!!!

LOL @ poor Lefty!!!

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Response to RetiredCop3061 (Reply #15)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 08:09 PM

18. Or if a Democrat is elected as president...

“Biden Calls For Federal Gun Buyback Program, Making Assault Weapons "Illegal, Period"
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/08/06/biden_calls_for_gun_buyback_program_making_assault_weapons_illegal_period.html
“2020 Dems embrace federal gun buyback program in wake of mass shootings“
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2020-dems-split-on-gun-buyback-idea-in-wake-of-mass-shootings

“San Diego gun buyback so popular, police ran out of money“
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/sd-me-gun-buyback-20171202-story.html

Scores of American cities have had gun buybacks.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #18)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 08:35 PM

20. In other words outside of shitholes pawning stolen guns lefty is losing votes.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #18)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 09:51 PM

23. A Buddy of mine stood outside one in his city and bought the good stuff being turned in

and the locality couldnt do shit about it

He also made a few zip guns and turned them in for cash for ammo

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #18)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 10:00 PM

24. Go ahead and run your political campaign on strict gun control laws, Lefty

I know, it was only 6 years ago, but those of us who own guns and believe in the provisions of the 2nd Amendment know that we've only grown in strength

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/two-colorado-lawmakers-who-backed-strict-gun-control-laws-ousted-flna8C11121858

And, if you truly believe that your message is a winner, don't get angry when you get laughed off the forum (again) after the 2020 elections.

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Response to jh4freedom (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:02 PM

13. npc alert

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Response to jh4freedom (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:24 PM

16. There's only one gun in New Zealand and this week the New Zealand army has it.

Next week it's the NZ navy's turn.

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Response to Jardinier (Reply #16)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:40 PM

17. There are just a few more than that.

“Nearly 300,000 licensed firearm owners own and use New Zealand's estimated 1.5 million firearms. Gun licenses are issued at the discretion of the police provided they consider the person to be of good standing, and without criminal, psychiatric or drug issues; as well as meeting other conditions such as having suitable storage facilities. Several different categories of license are permitted, with the most common, "A Category", permitting access to sporting configuration rifles and shotguns.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Zealand#Arms_Amendment_Bills_2_and_3_(1999_to_2012)

New Zealand has same the population as the Phoenix, Arizona metropolitan area.

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Response to jh4freedom (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 08:34 PM

19. Too bad they don't have our rights.

How many others are you willing to throw away on an emotional whim?

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Response to jh4freedom (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 10:14 PM

25. Not a Buyback, its confiscation. Partially compensated

New Zealand never owned the guns to “buy them back”.

But “Buyback” sounds better than “take what we give you and shut up” peasant.

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Response to DP46 (Reply #25)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 10:24 PM

26. forced confiscation

take this shit deal or we make you a felon , shoot your wife holding your kid. Funny how the anti folks will give up the 2nd and 4th.

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Response to pavulon-lives (Reply #26)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 12:32 AM

27. They're not too fond of the 1st either

They've made it very clear that they consider any speech that they don't like as "Hate speech" and want to shut it down ASAP.

Plus, they want to declare the NRA and any other groups they disapprove of as "Terrorists".

If Hillary would have gotten in, we'd already have two more RBGs on SCOTUS to rule that way.

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