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Tue Aug 13, 2019, 02:32 PM

Independent.mind (7,015 posts)

"Trump says he delayed tariffs because of concerns over Christmas shopping season"

“We’re doing this for the Christmas season,” Trump told reporters on an airport tarmac around noon Tuesday. “Just in case some of the tariffs would have an impact on U.S. customers.”

“So far they’ve had virtually none,” the president added. “But just in case they might have an impact on people, what we’ve done is we’ve delayed it, so that they won’t be relevant to the Christmas shopping season.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/13/trump-says-he-delayed-tariffs-because-of-concerns-over-christmas-shopping-season.html

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"Trump says he delayed tariffs because of concerns over Christmas shopping season" (Original post)	Independent.mind	Aug 2019	OP
Makes good sense	Valishin	Aug 2019	#1
I see both sides on this one	Independent.mind	Aug 2019	#3
In my opinion that was a smart move.	batcat	Aug 2019	#2
See my reply to Valishin	Independent.mind	Aug 2019	#4
Good point. (n/t)	batcat	Aug 2019	#9
he gets to back down on a failed economic policy while	rampartb	Aug 2019	#5
And don't stick your hands in my pockets to give money to farmers being hurt by the trade war	Independent.mind	Aug 2019	#6
it is ok because most of that is going to big agribusiness	rampartb	Aug 2019	#7
Venezuela - 1,000 miles from US	Carlos W Bush	Aug 2019	#20
Farmers be looking at empty stockings	orson	Aug 2019	#8
Last I read, 57% of Farmers AGREED with the tariffs.	Lowrider1984	Aug 2019	#12
If they agree with the tariffs they should not be taking the farmer welfare	Independent.mind	Aug 2019	#14
No tariffs at all are the way to go.	Lowrider1984	Aug 2019	#15
Trump lies a lot	Nephrite	Aug 2019	#10
What is wrong with applying tariffs to Chinese goods	Lowrider1984	Aug 2019	#13
Now if they'd only explain tariffs to you...	bfox74	Aug 2019	#17
Wait. I thought Trumpie said the Chinese would pay for the tariffs	Cold Warrior	Aug 2019	#11
Well he said Mexico was gonna pay for the wall too	Independent.mind	Aug 2019	#16
The CBO esimates	orson	Aug 2019	#18
Whatever you need to tell yourself.	Independent.mind	Aug 2019	#19

Response to Independent.mind (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 02:45 PM

Valishin (10,178 posts)

1. Makes good sense

reduce the impact by giving more time before the following shopping season for businesses and consumers to plan and adjust.

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Tue Aug 13, 2019, 02:56 PM

Independent.mind (7,015 posts)

3. I see both sides on this one

China will be shipping a lot of products to the US in the next 90 days and the tariff increase could hurt them but it would impact consumers in the US as well.

I guess we'll see what happens.

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Response to Independent.mind (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 02:50 PM

batcat (16,784 posts)

2. In my opinion that was a smart move.

The liberal news media will of course disagree. They will insist Putin ordered Trump to delay tariffs.

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Tue Aug 13, 2019, 02:57 PM

Independent.mind (7,015 posts)

4. See my reply to Valishin

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Tue Aug 13, 2019, 04:02 PM

batcat (16,784 posts)

9. Good point. (n/t)

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Tue Aug 13, 2019, 02:59 PM

rampartb (18,863 posts)

5. he gets to back down on a failed economic policy while

blaming the "war on Christmas."

ok now, explain to me why Venezuela needs an embargo and china does not?

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Response to rampartb (Reply #5)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 03:03 PM

Independent.mind (7,015 posts)

6. And don't stick your hands in my pockets to give money to farmers being hurt by the trade war

They voted for him they can weather the consequences.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #6)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 03:11 PM

rampartb (18,863 posts)

7. it is ok because most of that is going to big agribusiness

it would be socialist if a family farm got a break.

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Wed Aug 14, 2019, 12:58 PM

Carlos W Bush (11,094 posts)

20. Venezuela - 1,000 miles from US

China - not.

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Response to Independent.mind (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 03:32 PM

orson (11,068 posts)

8. Farmers be looking at empty stockings

But Amazon and Walmart get a nice Christmas present

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Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:50 AM

Lowrider1984 (4,741 posts)

12. Last I read, 57% of Farmers AGREED with the tariffs.

We shall see if that changes.

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Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:55 AM

Independent.mind (7,015 posts)

14. If they agree with the tariffs they should not be taking the farmer welfare

to make up for lost markets.

Nobody is subsidizing my business to pay the import tax and nobody bailed out all the companies that went under as a result of lost markets due to Asian competition moving in and making it impossible for them to compete.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #14)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:58 AM

Lowrider1984 (4,741 posts)

15. No tariffs at all are the way to go.

But, if a country wants to impose tariffs on the US, we should at least match them.

I could be wrong, not being an economist.

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Response to Independent.mind (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:41 PM

Nephrite (3,642 posts)

10. Trump lies a lot

who knows, maybe one of his yes men finally explained tariffs to the stupid bastard?

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Response to Nephrite (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:53 AM

Lowrider1984 (4,741 posts)

13. What is wrong with applying tariffs to Chinese goods

that match the tariffs that China imposes on American goods?
Trump would prefer that other countries drop ALL tariffs, so we could drop ALL of ours.
Sounds reasonable to me.

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Wed Aug 14, 2019, 10:44 AM

bfox74 (16,220 posts)

17. Now if they'd only explain tariffs to you...

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Response to Independent.mind (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 06:08 AM

Cold Warrior (14,115 posts)

11. Wait. I thought Trumpie said the Chinese would pay for the tariffs

and not the American consumer? So why the need to postpone?

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Wed Aug 14, 2019, 10:36 AM

Independent.mind (7,015 posts)

16. Well he said Mexico was gonna pay for the wall too

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Wed Aug 14, 2019, 12:32 PM

orson (11,068 posts)

18. The CBO esimates

that working illegal immigrants pay around $7 billion a year in taxes. That's got to be what he had in mind. No sane person actually thought Mexico would ante up.

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Wed Aug 14, 2019, 12:41 PM

Independent.mind (7,015 posts)

19. Whatever you need to tell yourself.

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