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Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:01 PM

If Trump has done nothing wrong, what does he have to hide?

If he's innocent why not give Congress what they want?
They're going to get it anyway. Why not avoid an obstruction of justice charge?

The loons on the right say there has to be a vote in Congress to investigate. That's just not true. The rules were changed when the right was in power and it passed with bipartisan support. And do you think there would be a problem getting a resolution passed in the House? Not a chance when more than half of the nation thinks it's necessary.

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Reply If Trump has done nothing wrong, what does he have to hide? (Original post)
Crazy in SoFla Wednesday OP
DP46 Wednesday #1
Crazy in SoFla Wednesday #3
Charlie Mike Wednesday #6
Salaam Wednesday #47
Charlie Mike Wednesday #48
DP46 Wednesday #34
bfox74 Wednesday #2
Crazy in SoFla Wednesday #9
bfox74 Wednesday #20
Carl Wednesday #4
Charlie Mike Wednesday #5
D26-15 Wednesday #11
Valishin Wednesday #7
Crazy in SoFla Wednesday #13
Carl Wednesday #21
Valishin Wednesday #23
kevlar Thursday #52
Da Mannn Wednesday #8
LexTalionis Wednesday #10
Crazy in SoFla Wednesday #27
LexTalionis Wednesday #39
Mr.Solis Wednesday #12
Crazy in SoFla Wednesday #16
Valishin Wednesday #26
Mr.Solis Wednesday #28
kevlar Wednesday #43
Currentsitguy Wednesday #14
Crazy in SoFla Wednesday #17
Currentsitguy Wednesday #24
Crazy in SoFla Wednesday #30
oldenuff35 Wednesday #15
Gunslinger201 Wednesday #18
Steelydamned Wednesday #19
Carl Wednesday #22
Valishin Wednesday #29
Steelydamned Wednesday #31
Grumpy Pickle Wednesday #25
Crazy in SoFla Wednesday #32
Grumpy Pickle Wednesday #33
Solesurvivor Wednesday #36
Grumpy Pickle Wednesday #40
Solesurvivor Wednesday #35
Crazy D Wednesday #37
Solesurvivor Wednesday #38
Carl Wednesday #41
kevlar Wednesday #42
Salaam Wednesday #46
Charlie Mike Thursday #51
Salaam Friday #53
Charlie Mike Friday #54
DavesNotHere Wednesday #44
Salaam Wednesday #45
MeatSandwich Thursday #49
kevlar Thursday #50

Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:03 PM

1. Good point, now please show us all your browser history

After all, if you have nothing to hide ...

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Response to DP46 (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:06 PM

3. I would if I knew how... But we're talking about Trump right now.

If he's done nothing wrong, what does he have to hide?

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:08 PM

6. If you want to disregard the constitution in order to undo the election

I feel we're entitled to peel open your life.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 10:15 PM

47. LOL

Donnie has no idea what's in the Constitution. He's just a crook hiding his crimes.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #47)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 11:44 PM

48. I bet you think if you just vomit random shit you win an argument.

That's not how it works.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:56 PM

34. Suuuure you would. Maybe he doesn't know how either.

After all Lefty says he's stupid.

What a crock of a feeble excuse.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:05 PM

2. If dems are so sure that Trump has done something wrong, what do they have to hide?

If he's guilty why not vote for a formal impeachment? Surely even if Republicans can subpoena witnesses it will mean nothing since Democrats have all the "truth" they need to impeach.

The retards on the left know they've hitched their wagon behind a dead mule. They won't risk their seats on a nothing accusation.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:13 PM

9. And you think a vote won't pass the House?

The left isn't worried about doing their job. And they'll say so to their constituency.
I don't know where you get that they have something to hide. More delusional thinking from Fox news no doubt. And the worm is starting to turn at Fox. The journalists at Fox that have any credibility are already poking him with a stick.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:29 PM

20. "The left isn't worried about doing their job."

Good one!!! When do they start? So far all they've done is continue throwing a fit over selecting the country's worst candidate ever. But we've seen hide nor hair of them doing their job.

And, no, I'm sure they can't pass a vote, otherwise they would have done it on day one.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:06 PM

4. That is not how things work.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/27/house-intelligence-committee-impeachment-1516995

"The three House committee chairs pursuing the investigation — Schiff, Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.) and Oversight and Reform Committee Chairman Elijah Cummings (D-Md.) — told Pompeo on Friday that his refusal to comply with the Foreign Affairs panel’s subpoena would be used as evidence of obstruction that could form the basis of a distinct article of impeachment.

“The subpoenaed documents shall be part of the impeachment inquiry and shared among the committees. Your failure or refusal to comply with the subpoena shall constitute evidence of obstruction of the House’s impeachment inquiry,” the three chairmen wrote."


They are trying to create an impeachment article,not investigate one.
Not to mention this sudden lefty (Kavanaugh hearings) idea of guilty unless you can prove yourself innocent is an abomination to every facet of our justice system.

They don`t have the votes to pass or.nor do they want anything but a media indulgent tar and feathering.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:07 PM

5. What did you say was your real name?

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:18 PM

11. For sure he couldn't have chosen a more approprite forum name.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:09 PM

7. Perhaps because

we live in a system that includes the presumption of innocence and any breech of that presumption including witch hunts needs to receive maximum push back. We don't guarantee a protection of privacy because we want to hide something we do it because we shouldn't have to worry about the need to hide things.

To be clear, the right is not saying there has to be vote to hold an investigation they are saying there has to be a formal start to the process to enjoy the privileges that come along with the type of investigation in question which includes adherence to its limitations and obligations. The HoR can research whatever they want, but if they want to start compelling others to help them there's a whole different criteria they need to meet.

No there would not be a problem getting a resolution passed the House, but that comes with consequences and obligations which is what the current HoR leadership is trying to avoid. They want to have their cake and eat it too.

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Response to Valishin (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:23 PM

13. Finally...

A well composed answer to a simple question.
I agree a format to impeach should be put in place. Investigation, not accusation is needed before a resolution can be brought to the floor. By cooperating now, they can avoid the whole impeachment process entirely if they find that he, in fact, didn't break the law. It's not a witch hunt. There is evidence that the law may have been broken and Congress is compelled by the Constitution to investigate.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Reply #13)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:31 PM

21. Are you fucking kidding?

Schiff has been lying about every last damn thing for the past 2 1/2 years.
He wants to be able to peddle his bullshit to a media he knows will carry the water no matter what is "testified".
It will go on and on and at the end dems will declare non compliance and thus grounds for impeachment.

It is not a secret,I posted about it above and you conveniently ignored it because you rather shred the entire system of justice we have had to achieve petty political revenge that the queen was defeated.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Reply #13)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:34 PM

23. There is a belief that the law may have been broken

evidence and belief or at best speculation if you will are not the same thing.

This is simply a continuation of the same witch hunt that's been going on since the night of the election. Call it a fishing expedition if you would prefer. Either way, neither is acceptable use of authority. Which is why we have limitations on authority and processes that must be followed to protect the rights of every individual citizen yes even Donald Trump. This is why it is entirely appropriate imperative even for the executive branch to tell the HoR to get bent until they come back with their ducks in a row.

In addition there is the added bonus for Trump that this approach is setting up the democratic party to be in a lose/lose political situation regardless of how this plays out. However, it would be the right move even if that wasn't the case.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 10, 2019, 11:04 AM

52. "It's not a witch hunt."

LOL worthy post of the day!

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:12 PM

8. If Botox Nacy has nothing to hide, why not hold a VOTE on the impeachment inquiry?

I'm betting she doesn't have the votes.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:14 PM

10. He already gave you the transcript of the original conversation. Is 1984 one of your favorite books?

You Ok with a police state? How do you feel about the phrase, "innocent until proven guilty."

You guys never cease to amaze. When Trump wins in 2020. You will need to seek help.

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Response to LexTalionis (Reply #10)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:40 PM

27. That argument doesn't hold water...

The Republicans dragged Hilary Clinton into hearings on Benghazi and could find no wrongdoing. So they dragged her in again. And again. And again. And again. Couldn't pin anything on her and she cooperated fully. Trey Gowdy lost his job over it.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Reply #27)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 07:10 PM

39. Oh, so this is about whataboutism?

I thought your side was against that.
Let's investigate all of them .Both sides are dirty.
I agree about Clinton and Benghazi. It was just typical Clinton and Obama ineptness, incompetence and all around stupidity. nothing.criminal about that.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:19 PM

12. What do they want?

Full transcript is out in the public domain. Read it.

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Response to Mr.Solis (Reply #12)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:26 PM

16. And that transcript is compelling and requires further investigation and interviews

with the parties involved.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Reply #16)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:39 PM

26. No it isn't

all of that comes from the imagination of those reading it with prejudicial views. The word for word text doesn't come anywhere near the bar across the street from the parking lot of the ballpark in which this theory is being played out more or less actually getting near said ballpark.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Reply #16)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:42 PM

28. It doesnt.

The “whistleblower’s” account wasn’t accurate.

We do need to find out who leaked misinformation to the “whistleblower”. Seems like their may be a spy spreading false information to eager resistance types.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Reply #16)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 09:10 PM

43. Not at all.

Not until democrats learn to play the same way all around.

Enough of the "heads I win, tails you loose"

As another poster has previously opined, "lefty can fuck their hat."

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:24 PM

14. They already have everything they need

Until an actual subpoena is issued, why would anyone just cave? I know I wouldn't ever set foot into a court or be under oath without being served. Being nice rarely gets you anywhere.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #14)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:27 PM

17. You have a point...

but the presidency is held to a higher standard. That's just the way it is.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Reply #17)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:34 PM

24. You need to remember

This is lawyers all around. A lawyer who advised their client to go "Above and beyond" would not be serving their client well.

Look, you and I both know what game is being played here and what the goal is. Why would anyone in the crosshairs help out?

No one is obligated to assist in their own investigation. This is 5th Amendment 101 here.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #24)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:42 PM

30. True.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:25 PM

15. Why should anyone listen to this kind of BS and just give up the civil and constitutional rights.

The entire premise of this post is total BS.

I have a better idea.

Why doesn't every liberal we catch telling lies just shoot themselves. They say they have honor and integrity so they would just be keeping themselves from being shamed and embarrassed in front of their parents.


Just realigning your BS illogic.


BUT

LOL we would sure run out of liberals quickly.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:27 PM

18. When they conduct it the proper way he will play

Till then, Pound Sand

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:28 PM

19. Strangely enough....

...this is the exact same argument the British Government has thrown out when complaints arose about their Orwellian surveillance state.

I mean, why even procure the representation of an attorney at all if accused of something? After all, you've got nothing to hide right?

Just sit down with the detectives and, let them railroad you right into a full confession.....we don't need a bloodsucking lawyer mucking up our investig....um I mean, your rights.

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Response to Steelydamned (Reply #19)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:33 PM

22. And if you refuse to answer a question that is obviously a bullshit trap bang...new criminal charge

for that.

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Response to Steelydamned (Reply #19)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:42 PM

29. Perhaps because

the left is under the impression that anyone to the right of themselves is to be held to the Cardassian judicial standard.

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Response to Valishin (Reply #29)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:43 PM

31. Nice reference....

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:36 PM

25. The House is not acting like a cohesive body or else they'd hold a vote....it is trying to

act in little, subversive groups.......with hearings being held behind closed doors and all kinds of sneaky shit

That ain't gonna fly.

Go ALL IN ( Full House vote ) or STFU !

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #25)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:47 PM

32. They same thing the right did with Hilary...

And it worked.
Turnabout is fair play.
I guess we'll all see how it plays out.
Have you seen this?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212563284

I know it's fake, but the bell got rung.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Reply #32)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 05:51 PM

33. When was Hillary President ?



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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Reply #32)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 06:12 PM

36. but there was actual proof of wrong doing in Libya

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #36)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 08:09 PM

40. Yep.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 06:08 PM

35. Hey are you okay with the cops searching your house with no basis to do so?

since you have nothing to hide?

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #35)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 06:18 PM

37. He's a liberal, off course their for searching without warrants if it's a political opponent

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Response to Crazy D (Reply #37)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 06:33 PM

38. I think he's blocking me

but my point still stands.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 08:39 PM

41. Since you ran away and did not respond to evidence your OP was a crock of shit

does that mean you are guilty of lying or ignorance of things.


The democrat standard now.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 09:06 PM

42. Fuck fraudulent democrats

that's why.

Stop your fucking games.

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Response to kevlar (Reply #42)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 10:02 PM

46. someone sounds angry.

with all that winning, what's there to be angry about?

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Response to Salaam (Reply #46)

Thu Oct 10, 2019, 10:52 AM

51. Said the guy who admires Hitler.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #51)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 03:05 PM

53. speaking for kevvie now?

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Response to Salaam (Reply #53)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 03:14 PM

54. Speaking to you.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 09:35 PM

44. Careful not to get squashed by 2 tons of irony,

Given that they’re talking about impeaching him for asking for an investigation.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 10:01 PM

45. We all know why.

Crooks always hate being investigated.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Thu Oct 10, 2019, 10:17 AM

49. You can't obstruct based on a strongly worded letter. A subpoena they are not.

"Why not avoid an obstruction of justice charge? "

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Thu Oct 10, 2019, 10:43 AM

50. I am curious

why you have not posted similar sentiments in regard to any number of democrats either currently under investigation or about to be?

I mean Biden is asking networks not to have certain guests on, telling reporters not to look at him but rather others.

Does the same apply to him?

How about confirmed liar and leaker Shiff?

Unless lefty is OK with looking pathetically weak by carrying on a sham of an investigation by themselves, excluding the full house, they should have a vote.

I suspect that as always they cannot accomplish anything without a rigged system, cheating and lying.

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