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Wed Oct 9, 2019, 10:14 PM

Are you willing to make WAR against our ally Turkey?


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Yes! Let make war!
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No. We do not need to fight an ally.
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Reply Are you willing to make WAR against our ally Turkey? (Original post)
Da Mannn Wednesday OP
Badsamm Wednesday #1
Grumpy Pickle Wednesday #2
jh4freedom Wednesday #5
Grumpy Pickle Wednesday #7
jh4freedom Thursday #8
Banshee 3 Actual Thursday #9
jh4freedom Wednesday #3
Da Mannn Wednesday #4
jh4freedom Wednesday #6
HerasHeaddress Thursday #10
Cynical Thursday #11
Dumper Thursday #12

Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 10:18 PM

1. Why? Just end NATO.

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 10:44 PM

2. Why is Turkey launching an offensive now ?

I notice the MSM has no background info on why Turkey is doing this.

Maybe a little context would help people understand what's going on.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 11:14 PM

5. Google leads to good sources of MSM background info

The short answer is Trump gave Turkey the go-ahead to invade Syria by withdrawing U.S. troops. Turkey would not want to accidentally hurt or kill an American soldier.
“What we know about Trump's withdrawal from northern Syria as critics argue it abandons Kurdish allies”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/08/trump-syria-withdrawal-what-you-need-know-turkey-kurd-conflict/3908110002/
“Explained: Why Turkey wants a military assault on Syrian Kurds”
A Turkish military operation against Syrian Kurdish territory could unleash instability, displacement and intense fighting. The Kurds are warning of ethnic cleansing and all-out war.
https://www.dw.com/en/explained-why-turkey-wants-a-military-assault-on-syrian-kurds/a-50731834
“President Endorses Turkish Military Operation in Syria, Shifting U.S. Policy”
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/07/us/politics/trump-turkey-syria.html
“Why Is Turkey Fighting the Kurds in Syria?”
On Wednesday, Turkey announced that it was beginning an assault on a Kurdish-led militia in northeastern Syria. How did the two American allies get here?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/world/middleeast/kurds-turkey-syria.html

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 11:25 PM

7. Thanks for the info.

I need to catch up with the background stories.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 10, 2019, 12:13 AM

8. My pleasure!

The truth is that its a really complicated situation with historical precedents that go back to the First World War and earlier.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 10, 2019, 01:23 AM

9. Turks never need an excuse to genocide their minorities, its handed down from each generation

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 10:54 PM

3. There are other ways to punish Turkey

Aside from military action against them. As the President said: “US President Donald Trump said on Wednesday he would devastate Turkey's economy if Ankara's operation in northeast Syria wipes out the Kurdish population there.

Asked by a reporter if he was concerned Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan will wipe out the Kurds, Trump replied: ‘I will wipe out his economy if that happens.’”
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/trump-turkey-pay-economic-price-syria-operation-unfair-191009205658751.html

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 11:13 PM

4. When Turkey held a US citizen hostage, sanctions worked.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 11:16 PM

6. Yep.

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Thu Oct 10, 2019, 07:36 AM

10. I've never considered

a country in that part of the world a true ally.

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Thu Oct 10, 2019, 08:42 AM

11. The American press is doing a remarkably poor job of reporting on this issue

The BBC https://www.bbc.com/ and the Jordan Times http://www.jordantimes.com/ are worth checking out for more information.

1. Turkey wants a 20 mile wide zone along the entirety of the Turkish/Syrian border. The stated reason is to provide a place for the Syrian refugees in Turkey a place to return to after fleeing ISIS.
2. Turkey and factions within the Kurdish population in Turkey have been fighting since 1984.
3. The US troops in the area are Special Ops units that were attached to Kurdish troops to provide advice and support in the Kurd's fight against ISIS. Support seems to have been mostly calling in US airstrikes and providing advice to Kurdish commanders. US Special Ops have conducted several raids, which is reasonable considering that US Special Ops are far better trained and equipped to conduct raids against high value targets. There are rumors that US US Special Ops have been fighting on the front lines.
4. The US never intended the Special Ops troops to fight Turkish troops and while the world and Turkey would be better off without Erdogan, Turkey is still legally a US ally.
5. Go look at a map, even if we wanted to fight Turkey, logistically and diplomatically it would be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to conduct conventional operations against Turkish troops in Syria.




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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Thu Oct 10, 2019, 08:46 AM

12. NO, but I'd crush their economy if necessary!

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