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Thu Nov 7, 2019, 09:51 PM

Here's one BIG thing I just don't get...

Why don't they just subpoena the actual recordings of all of the phone calls? Including the ones between Sondland and Trump and anyone else that got sucked into this?
Wouldn't that put an end to all this talking head speculation?

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Reply Here's one BIG thing I just don't get... (Original post)
Crazy in SoFla Nov 7 OP
New Deal Democrat Nov 7 #1
Crazy in SoFla Nov 7 #4
GoldwatersSoul Nov 8 #35
Salaam Nov 8 #48
Squeek Nov 7 #5
Badsamm Nov 8 #26
PrescientWon. Nov 8 #41
Currentsitguy Nov 8 #46
Squeek Nov 7 #2
Grumpy Pickle Nov 7 #16
Squeek Nov 7 #22
FreeWheelBurning Nov 8 #34
Grumpy Pickle Nov 7 #24
Squeek Nov 8 #31
Grumpy Pickle Nov 8 #49
HermantownHawk Nov 7 #3
Crazy in SoFla Nov 7 #6
HermantownHawk Nov 7 #9
Crazy in SoFla Nov 7 #11
HermantownHawk Nov 7 #13
FreeWheelBurning Nov 8 #36
GoldwatersSoul Nov 8 #37
Currentsitguy Nov 8 #47
Squeek Nov 7 #18
HermantownHawk Nov 8 #29
Squeek Nov 8 #32
bfox74 Nov 8 #39
HermantownHawk Nov 8 #45
Steelydamned Nov 7 #7
def_con5 Nov 7 #8
Crazy in SoFla Nov 7 #10
Ruby Nov 7 #12
Crazy in SoFla Nov 7 #15
Grumpy Pickle Nov 7 #14
bfox74 Nov 7 #17
Crazy in SoFla Nov 7 #19
bfox74 Nov 7 #20
Crazy in SoFla Nov 7 #21
bfox74 Nov 8 #27
Squeek Nov 8 #38
bfox74 Nov 8 #42
Squeek Nov 7 #23
bfox74 Nov 8 #28
Squeek Nov 8 #40
bfox74 Nov 8 #43
batcat Nov 7 #25
Charlie Mike Nov 8 #30
FreeWheelBurning Nov 8 #33
outside Nov 8 #44

Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 09:53 PM

1. Good question.

Trump himself said there was a recording of the now infamous Ukraine call. But that would trigger a lengthy court battle, which is something Democrats are trying to avoid.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 09:59 PM

4. Nixon had to release his tapes..

And if Trump is so innocent, why hasn't he ordered their release?

It would probably put a quick end to all of this.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:48 AM

35. Nixon Tapes...

Were arguably his own...which would made them personal papers. Generally impermissable. In the end, the reality of American law is not that you prove yourself innocent but that the prosecution proves guilt.

In the end, you have to ask yourself...what actions SHOULD you remove leaders for? Not if they are Donald Trump but if they are a Democrat, a Republican, etc.

Since both parties tend to tit for tat... coming soon to a country near you. Continued dissonance.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 02:27 PM

48. the second sentence in your reply is the key.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 09:59 PM

5. Which would

Raise the obvious question,,,,,

If they try to fight it, what are they trying to hide....

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Response to Squeek (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 12:42 AM

26. If Tulsi doesnt deny she is a Russian agent, then she must be a Russian agent

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:55 AM

41. because it would set precedent.

I'd sure like to hear the tapes of Obama talking to Mohammed Morsi when Islamic Brotherhood thugs were throwing protesters off of roof tops...

Or...

Talking to Nuland about supporting the Neo-Nazi putsch in Ukraine.

Or...

Find out what the "after my election, I'll have more flexibility..." meant




want me to continue?

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 02:07 PM

46. I suspect what the Court will say

Is that although Congress has the power of oversight, they does not equal carte blanche access to everything the White House does, says, or retains. Congress's subpoena power is not unlimited. The branches are co-equal. One is not subordinate to the other. If it were a matter of funding, is would be pretty cut and dry. Since it isn't, matters of Foreign Policy are just not the business of Congress

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 09:55 PM

2. Actually

I wondered that myself

Maybe no recordings exist


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Response to Squeek (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 10:40 PM

16. You've got to be kidding....

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 11:09 PM

22. Kidding about what???

That recordings might not exist?

If they exist, then where are they??? This whole thing could be cleared up in no time if we could hear the actual tapes instead of what this or that person said they heard

Where are they, and why have they not been produced?

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Response to Squeek (Reply #22)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:47 AM

34. You sound like the Reps screaming for Obama's birth certificate and college records

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Response to Squeek (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 11:43 PM

24. " Maybe no recordings exist "

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #24)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 08:49 AM

31. Again....

if they exist, produce them and this whole thing likely ends

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Response to Squeek (Reply #31)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 04:16 PM

49. Agree.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 09:58 PM

3. Wouldn't change a thing.....

......we would be right where we are.

Acquittal in the coming months.

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Response to HermantownHawk (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 10:08 PM

6. Yes, maybe so. Which is why I say release them...

Trump is always crying witch hunt. Let him defend himself with his own words. Then he gets back to the business of prezidenting.
As an added bonus, it would kick the Democrats to the curb in 2020.

We should make up T-shirts saying,"RELEASE THE TAPES!" The RNCC could make a fortune off of that because both the right and left would buy them.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 10:13 PM

9. The President is.....

punched in and working. It;s the House of Reps that needs to start congressing for all the US citizens.

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Response to HermantownHawk (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 10:23 PM

11. The House has passed 250 bills that are sitting on McConnell's desk...

It ain't the House, it'd the Senate.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 10:32 PM

13. 250.....

.......attempts. Zero completions. Zero accomplishments. Zero rating.

They need to get to work.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:50 AM

36. Perhaps the House should ask the Senate where this is common ground

The Senate is not going to pass legislation that promotes left wing or Dem policy. If the roles were reversed, Dems controlled the Senate and Reps controlled the house, the Dems wouldn't pass anything that promoted a right wing or Rep policy.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:50 AM

37. If the house...

Does not pass bills that are palatable to all people they should languish.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 02:12 PM

47. There are larger implications at stake here that have far reaching implications

Far larger than this Administration. Congress does not have the role or the veto power over matters that are exclusively reserved for the Executive Branch. Giving them that power will have very bad implications in the future, let alone the serious Constitutional violations it entails.

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Response to HermantownHawk (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 10:40 PM

18. It certainly would

It would change a lot.


No more quibbling about memos or transcripts of phone calls.

Let's hear it from Rump's mouth, in his own unvarnished words.

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Response to Squeek (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 08:36 AM

29. We all know what was on the call.......

.........after listening to the call, no one will change their position on the call. No one.

If you support President Trump - his call was normal and focused on eliminating corruption.

If you don't support the President then you will hear a request for dirt on a political opponent.

Listening to the call will change nothing.

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Response to HermantownHawk (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:40 AM

32. Hard to believe I know...

but there may be some people who voted for Rump who may change their minds once they hear what sort of sleazebag he turned out to be

Like people who voted for him because they didn't like Hillary.


I imagine there are quite a few out there with "buyer's remorse" who will be more than willing to change their minds.

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Response to Squeek (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:53 AM

39. Actually, Trump has turned out to be less corrupt than I thought he would be.

I just assumed that in his prior dealings there might be some baggage there. He's turned out to be quite clean so far. Most lefties have been brainwashed to believe that every breath he takes is somehow illegal, but there's simply nothing there.

Their fake impeachment is still in search of a crime. The fact that all their deep state ties and sewer rats haven't come up with a thing simply shows the nation just how clean he is.

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Response to Squeek (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 12:54 PM

45. Doubtful...

.....since Trump is no sleazier than the normal dem and never trump crowd in Washington DC.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 10:09 PM

7. Sounds like...

...you cats might've cracked the case.

Here you go: https://www.nytimes.com/tips

"Do you have the next big story? Want to share it with The New York Times? We offer several ways to get in touch with and provide materials to our journalists. No communication system is completely secure, but these tools can help protect your anonymity. We’ve outlined each below, but please review any app’s terms and instructions as well. Please do not send feedback, story ideas, pitches or press releases through these channels. For more general correspondence visit our contact page."

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 10:10 PM

8. They don't want to go to the courtrs

If they actually issue subpoenas, it would be contested and end up in the courts. Bolton wont testify unless a court orders it, etc..

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Response to def_con5 (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 10:18 PM

10. The courts have already decided...

Bolton's just waiting for a subpoena. He's got a book about to be released and the subpoena would make the sales increase.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 10:27 PM

12. Ive read that the calls are not recorded.

That’s why so many other people listen to them. The listeners submit individual reports and they are compiled into one read out.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 10:38 PM

15. Okay. Let's get all those notes and see if they jibe.

People are saying these people are Never Trumpers. Really? All of them?

Maybe the person who summarized these reports was a Trump supporter and left out damning testimony.

I'm frankly getting tired of all the bullshit on TV.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 10:35 PM

14. Absolutely.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 10:40 PM

17. Im trying to imagine any foreign policy success if Congress could subpoena

any phone call made to foreign leaders. There’s a reason why the house nazis can’t get whatever they want any time they want it.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 10:52 PM

19. This is an impeachment inquiry and the House can demand whatever it wants...

Maybe in the day to day business of the House access could be denied, but not after the vote that the Right was screaming for. They should be careful what they wish for because it's a different ball game now.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 10:56 PM

20. Its a fake inquiry.

Obviously they can’t demand everything.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 11:04 PM

21. It's not fake. It's serious business...

Trump broke the law. He admitted it. His Chief of Staff confirmed it.
A parade of life long public servants have confirmed it. If Trump is so innocent he would be playing the recordings on Twitter.

He's fucked for now.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 05:37 AM

27. Cite the law.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #27)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:51 AM

38. Abuse of power

~~~~~~~~Abuse of power, in the form of "malfeasance in office" or "official misconduct," is the commission of an unlawful act, done in an official capacity, which affects the performance of official duties. Malfeasance in office is often grounds for a for cause removal of an elected official by statute or recall election. Abuse of power can also mean a person using the power they have for their own personal gain. ~~~~~~~~~~~~


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse_of_power

Had Rump tried to withhold aid to Ukraine in exchange for a benefit to our COUNTRY it would have been OK.


But he tried to use aid to Ukraine to dig up dirt on Biden in an attempt to further his own interests. To help him in the 2020 election.

Unconstitutional, and therefore illegal.

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Response to Squeek (Reply #38)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:55 AM

42. Trump is obligated to investigate election corruption.

And since there was no quid pro quo, then there's no crime.

Nice try, but that one's been a proven loser the transcript came out.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 11:15 PM

23. yeah...

it's so "fake" that Rump asked Barr to do a news conference attesting that the whole thing is a huge....misunderstanding.

Barr refused.




Looks like Barr is taking care of his own ass now.

That's how much of a "fake" this is.



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Response to Squeek (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 05:38 AM

28. I guess in your universe having someone defend you makes you guilty.

I’m sure glad I don’t live there.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #28)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:54 AM

40. What is it that you're not understanding here?

Defending someone is perfectly fine.

Asking someone to defend you is perfectly fine


Barr REFUSED to defend Rump. Again, Barr refused to go on TV and put his own ass on the line to defend Rump.

WTF does that say about the seriousness of this whole thing????

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Response to Squeek (Reply #40)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:58 AM

43. It's not Barr's job to defend Trump. Holder didn't understand that, the crook.

Barr's job is to get to the bottom of the coup attempt. In the end, it will exonerate Trump, so I guess indirectly he is defending Trump.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 11:53 PM

25. If that was done why would any world leader ever talk to any president on a phone again?

The conversations would be:

Our president, “Good Morning,”

Other World Leader, “It is a nice day here.Is it nice in Washington D.C.?”

Our president, “Thunderstorms here, lots of lightning.”

Other world Leader, “Sorry to hear that. Hopefully the weather will improve. Have a good day.”

Our president, “Same back.”

Of course the news media would speculate if our president and the other world leader were using a code and if that president was Trump they would insist he was.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 08:47 AM

30. No recordings are made.

It's my understanding that 4 transcriptionists listen to the calls and derive a record by consensus.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:46 AM

33. For the exact reason everyone has been telling you

There is nothing in the transcripts that is impeachable.

The impeachment hearings are a political show intended to hurt Trump at the polls next November. They are not about bringing Trump to justice. If the full transcripts are released the Dems would lose a talking point.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:59 AM

44. And after

they release the tapes and they match the transcripts the same people will say the tapes have been edited we start all over again.

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