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Tue Nov 26, 2019, 07:23 PM

Opinion: Our food is tainted with E. coli, yet the FDA is rolling back safety rules

Once again, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is warning us to steer clear of romaine lettuce contaminated with the deadly E. coli O157:H7. This time it’s lettuce grown in California’s Salinas Valley that has hospitalized 28 people in 16 states.

FDA rules enacted during the Obama era would have required monitoring and treating irrigation water for E. coli, starting in 2018. Farms would monitor their irrigation water for pathogens at least once each growing season and possibly more frequently depending on proximity to potential pathogen sources. Following discovery of microbial pollution, the rules require mitigation of the danger, either by treating the water or by switching to an uncontaminated water source.

But President Trump’s first FDA administrator Scott Gottlieb rolled back the regulations until 2022, saying that microbial quality standards for agricultural water are “too complicated, and in some cases too costly, to be effectively implemented.”

We should not be surprised that a regulation-averse administration would disregard the science of food safety, but it is concerning that consumers have become complacent about yearly outbreaks of E. coli contamination and largely silent about the rollback of food safety regulations.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-11-25/romaine-lettuce-ecoli-food-safety-fda

Regulations are too inconvenient. Just take your chances.

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Reply Opinion: Our food is tainted with E. coli, yet the FDA is rolling back safety rules (Original post)
New Deal Democrat Nov 26 OP
Carlos W Bush Nov 26 #1
DDKick Nov 26 #2
Charlie Mike Nov 26 #3
Solesurvivor Nov 26 #4
imwithfred Nov 26 #5
Carl Nov 26 #6
msv Nov 27 #9
DavesNotHere Nov 27 #7
New Deal Democrat Nov 27 #8
DavesNotHere Nov 27 #10
New Deal Democrat Nov 27 #14
DavesNotHere Nov 27 #15
New Deal Democrat Nov 27 #16
DavesNotHere Nov 27 #20
BAMN Nov 30 #24
GoldwatersSoul Nov 27 #11
Banshee 3 Actual Nov 27 #12
New Deal Democrat Nov 27 #13
Jardinier Nov 27 #19
Charlie Mike Nov 27 #17
Jardinier Nov 27 #18
New Deal Democrat Nov 30 #21
Jardinier Nov 30 #22
Squeek Nov 30 #23
New Deal Democrat Nov 30 #25
Jardinier Nov 30 #26
New Deal Democrat Dec 1 #27
Jardinier Dec 1 #28

Response to New Deal Democrat (Original post)

Tue Nov 26, 2019, 07:25 PM

1. California should police their own produce.

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Response to Carlos W Bush (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 26, 2019, 07:27 PM

2. While that may be true you cant blame Trump if

They were responsible.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Original post)

Tue Nov 26, 2019, 07:35 PM

3. I'm reminded of Chipotle being all hippy and shit with their locally grown campaign.

They poisoned so many people.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Original post)

Tue Nov 26, 2019, 07:36 PM

4. Its from illegals pissing and shitting in the fields

As they work

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 26, 2019, 07:45 PM

5. Why in the world would this be alertworthy?

Since when is a statement of fact against the rules?

No violation, no hide.

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 26, 2019, 07:54 PM

6. Alerted as racist.

Lefty is having a bad time in life right now.

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 27, 2019, 10:11 AM

9. Exactly.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Original post)

Wed Nov 27, 2019, 08:25 AM

7. If I understand correctly, the rule is currently the same rule that

Existed when Obama was president, so at worst, food is no “less safe” than it was under Obama. A new rule that was expensive and may not have been effective, has been delayed until the people who have to actually implement it figure out how to make it work...

Oh, also, orange man bad!

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 27, 2019, 10:05 AM

8. People had already been given time to figure out how to make it work.

That's why the Obama rule was not to have gone in effect until 2018.

It's probably true that our food is no less safe than it was before - when we had E. coli outbreaks in 2012 and again in 2018. Now we have another one.

If you think the Obama rule was too expensive, then you must not be one of he people suffering from E. coli right now.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 27, 2019, 11:58 AM

10. I need you make sure illegal drugs dont cross the border.

I’ll give you 2 years to figure out how to implement it. That should be enough time, right?

The problem isn’t just the expense, it’s what you’re getting in return. You know how the Dems argue that the border wall is too expensive because it won’t be effective so the money is wasted? Yeah, it’s like that.

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 27, 2019, 01:51 PM

14. Not the same thing at all.

Obama had a good plan that should have kicked in last year. Trump torpedoed it. You and the others in this thread are just doing your best to rationalize that.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 27, 2019, 02:56 PM

15. This is what the argument is for delaying it.

That the implementation is too expensive and not effective enough. I’m not sure how accurate this is, but it certainly wouldn’t be difficult to believe

How familiar are you with these regulations, how much would it cost, and how effective would it be?

If you know, please enlighten me.

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 27, 2019, 03:41 PM

16. Yes, I know the argument for delaying it.

The problem with that is, it originates from an extremist political ideology and excuses every single negative result. Turns out, we are not all better off if we free big business from inconvenient regulation and oversight.

Expensive and not effective enough is just more rationalization to excuse kowtowing to the donor class. I think the FDA should ensure safety of our food supply. It's not a complicated concept. It's quite simple.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 27, 2019, 03:55 PM

20. So, do you actually understand the details or not?

The article doesn’t attempt to explain why the administration is claiming it’s too confusing, expensive, or not effective enough. If you don’t know what the cost or problems actually are, then you’re just guessing too.

They COULD mandate that every drop of water used for irrigation be filtered and distilled before use. That would effectively solve their concern about the safety of irrigation water, but also be prohibitively expensive. Without knowing more about this particular situation, I’m just speculating. If you don’t have more info about this, then you are too.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 02:00 PM

24. So? This has never happened before? Weird...

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Original post)

Wed Nov 27, 2019, 01:03 PM

11. Get rid of the FDA

Founded in 1906....people had been eating in the US before it was founded for nearly 400 years. Yeah....not important.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Original post)

Wed Nov 27, 2019, 01:07 PM

12. Its not the irrigation water, its the pickers shitting in those fields and not washing after

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 27, 2019, 01:48 PM

13. No, it's the irrigation water.

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 27, 2019, 03:53 PM

19. There was a law passed in our state that all field workers have to have a porta-potty close by.

When we get a crew out they come pulling a trailer hauling a Johnny-on-spot. I imagine it's the same in California.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Original post)

Wed Nov 27, 2019, 03:50 PM

18. The contamination comes from the irrigation canals and ditches. I've seen videos of third worlders

back their arses down these cement sided irrigation ditches to defecate directly into the water. To them flowing water is just a toilet. They also clean themselves with the same water, so I'm wondering if the same is going on upstream of the fields in California. I mean they poop in the streets down there. How the hell can you regulate that?

An uncontaminated water source would be directly from a well and well, we're pumping enough water from the ground as it is.

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Response to Jardinier (Reply #18)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 11:26 AM

21. And the tainted water is taken up through the roots of the plants.

E. coli is then growing inside the leaves, not just on the surface.

My drinking water comes from a river. It is totally unsafe to drink until it is treated at the intake plant. Water quality is monitored there.

The irrigation water in California is coming from groundwater, then it is stored in reservoirs and supplied via irrigation canals. It is being contaminated somewhere along the line. The Obama rule would have required monitoring and treatment similar to that used for my drinking water.

I can't think of a more efficient solution. As you said, it would be hard to stop people from pooping in the water or anywhere else.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 01:19 PM

22. How would Obama's plan stop dead animals floating and people/animals shitting in the reservoirs

and irrigation ditches? And then when the water is tested/monitored and e.coli is detected, how is it treated? The water has to go though an open ditch/canals to get to the crops. We are irrigators (our family farm) and pump irrigation water out of a ditch for the first part of the year and then, when the ditch dries up, we pump up ground water. Our ditch water comes from a natural lake where there are cattle and all kinds of wildlife using the lake. We see otters, ducks/duckings, fish etc - all having a whale of a time in the ditch.

It sounds as if Obama's plan would have been astronomically expensive and undoable. There would have to be little testing and treatment plants at each outlet to make the water safe.

We are farming to make a profit after all.

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Response to Jardinier (Reply #22)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 01:50 PM

23. I hope anyone

putting most, or all, of the blame on illegals pissing and shitting in the fields sees this:


~~~~~~~~~How would Obama's plan stop dead animals floating and people/animals shitting in the reservoirs

and irrigation ditches? And then when the water is tested/monitored and e.coli is detected, how is it treated? The water has to go though an open ditch/canals to get to the crops. We are irrigators (our family farm) and pump irrigation water out of a ditch for the first part of the year and then, when the ditch dries up, we pump up ground water. Our ditch water comes from a natural lake where there are cattle and all kinds of wildlife using the lake. We see otters, ducks/duckings, fish etc - all having a whale of a time in the ditch. ~~~~~~~~~~~


Because even if they did away entirely with humans picking produce, there's still the matter of birds and animals walking through/flying over the fields.

My own dog has contracted giardia a few times from critters who frolic in her fenced in yard area.

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Response to Jardinier (Reply #22)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 08:40 PM

25. Obama's plan would not have kept all dead animals and feces out of all water.

I thought I made that pretty clear. Just because irrigation water is tested, that doesn't mean it has to be treated. But if e. coli is present there, you need to fix it or find another way to make a living.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #25)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 10:51 PM

26. A lot of the e.coli contamination comes from human handling the produce.

They make farm workers tow around a porta-potty BUT there's no hand washing facilities.

BTW; We don't grow produce for the table. Despite what you believe not everyone grows lettuce. When we use ground water it goes from the ground straight onto the crop.





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Response to Jardinier (Reply #26)

Sun Dec 1, 2019, 10:45 AM

27. True, but not the current outbreak.

It's caused by irrigation water.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 1, 2019, 10:48 AM

28. I'm sure it is.

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