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Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:19 AM

the real reason the haters want Trump gone

https://townhall.com/columnists/derrickwilburn/2019/11/29/the-real-reason-the-dems-want-trump-gone-n2557211

The Real Reason the Dems Want Trump Gone

The calls to remove Donald Trump from office began before Donald Trump assumed office. They’ve wanted him gone from pre-day one and remain determined to run him off Pennsylvania Avenue by hook, crook, or any other means necessary.

If not for firing James Comey, then go to Michael Flynn. If that peters out there’s Stormy and Avenatti. No traction? Russian collusion. Didn’t get him? Ukraine’s up next. The effort to oust Trump has been nonstop for three years and shows no signs of slowing.
Why? Why is the inside-the-beltway permanent political class so determined to send Trump packing? Because he’s not a member of “The Club.”.....

In Trump there’s finally someone at the helm who is not a part of the cabal, not a part of The Club, who has his own money, whose children don't need shady, foreign board of directors’ side deals. And, he's a threat to blow the whole thing up. He's shining lights into corners that they prefer remain dark. They must get rid of him; they can't allow this outsider and his flashlight to run roughshod inside the clubhouse. Dark corners must remain dark, no candles allowed. So for three straight years, they’ve looked for something, anything to get his wick snuffed out.

That's what's really going on.

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Just like why Reagan wasn't liked by the elites; he wasn't part of them.

Fortunately in both cases, Reagan and Trump, we have two guys who don't give a damn about being one of the elites.

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Reply the real reason the haters want Trump gone (Original post)
imwithfred Nov 29 OP
Ax Crazy Nov 29 #1
Charlie Mike Nov 29 #2
swifty Nov 29 #3
foia Nov 29 #6
Carl Nov 29 #10
BAMN Nov 29 #13
Qukid Nov 29 #4
foia Nov 29 #5
Trevor Nov 29 #7
foia Nov 29 #8
Trevor Nov 29 #11
foia Nov 29 #12
Trevor Nov 29 #16
PrescientWon. Nov 29 #19
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Carl Nov 29 #21
foia Nov 29 #23
Trevor Nov 29 #24
foia Nov 29 #26
Trevor Nov 29 #27
foia Nov 30 #28
Trevor Nov 30 #29
foia Nov 30 #31
Trevor Nov 30 #32
foia Nov 30 #34
Trevor Nov 30 #35
Aquila Nov 29 #25
bfox74 Nov 30 #30
Steelydamned Nov 29 #14
Trevor Nov 29 #17
PrescientWon. Nov 29 #20
Trevor Nov 29 #22
BAMN Nov 30 #33
Carl Nov 29 #9
Nostrings Nov 29 #15
Jardinier Nov 29 #18
Salaam Dec 1 #36

Response to imwithfred (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:41 AM

1. Before all that, they were trotting out their cavalcade of loser has-been stars

To beg the electoral college to ignore the election results and coronate Clinton.

Democrats do not have the capacity to feel shame. There's no depth to which they won't debase themselves.

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Response to imwithfred (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:45 AM

2. It's like the Japanese thought destroying the fleet at Pearl Harbor would pacify us.

They grievously miscalculated.

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Response to imwithfred (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:55 AM

3. Trump is a breath of different smelling (not fresh) air.

Few Dems were calling for his impeachment and ouster early on. Most Dems, myself included, hoped Trump would simply take off the childish twit mask once in office. Turns out it's not a mask.

He seems different, but so does a fast growing, unusually colored, odd-shaped mole on one's hind parts. Trump is a symptom, primarily of real dissatisfaction with the state of the world. He's not a cure.

We aren't getting out of our problems that easily. Banging the TV with a stick and screaming for our babas...That's what Trump is. He's not an answer for responsible adults.

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Response to swifty (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 10:02 AM

6. He's doing just fine as president

and will also do well in his second term.

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Response to swifty (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 12:19 PM

10. The stories people will make up.

https://www.discussionist.com/10151362780

" Sun Jun 11, 2017, 10:12 AM

swifty (8,610 posts)

Trump is already more impeachable than Bill Clinton"

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Response to swifty (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 02:00 PM

13. "Few Dems were calling for his impeachment and ouster early on. Most Dems, myself included,"

*cough* Bullshit. *cough*

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Response to imwithfred (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:57 AM

4. Good thing someone came along to explain

"drain the swamp" and the swampers not wanting to give up their environment.

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Response to imwithfred (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 10:00 AM

5. Similar to white quilt, they also have American guilt

for living in such a successful country. Remember during the campaign when they attacked him for making "America First" part of his campaign?

And how they worshipped Obama for his global apology tour?

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Response to imwithfred (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:15 AM

7. There is no club

People want Trump out because its dangerous to have a kook running around with that much power.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:23 AM

8. He's been president for almost three years now.

Please list some examples of dangerous things he's done.

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Response to foia (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 01:08 PM

11. He allowed fracking fluid to be disposed of in the Gulf of Mexico.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 01:56 PM

12. Is this what you're referring too?

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Response to foia (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 05:28 PM

16. That's from the fracking association lobby

Here's from the other side: https://biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2018/offshore-fracking-waste-02-13-2018.php

We can't assume the validity of anything regulators say anymore because Trump has a major campaign to eliminate or at least neutralize scientists in the federal government.

Another crazy thing from Trump? $1.3 trillion in new debt in the last year alone. Also allowing mining permits in the sacred Bears Ears Monument.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 06:26 PM

19. If the mining is done responsibly, why not?

And the DEMS starved the military for 8 years o it took time and $$ to rebuild it.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:11 PM

21. .

"We can't assume the validity of anything regulators say anymore because Trump has a major campaign to eliminate or at least neutralize scientists in the federal government. "

Another conspiracy theory.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 08:28 PM

23. There's two sides to a lawsuit. Is that concept new to you?

The president doesn't determine how much money the federal government spends. That comes from the legislative branch and he either signs it or vetos. The president does not have a line item veto.

The "sacred" (LOL) Bears Ear Monument didn't even exist until Obama created it in December 2016 on his lame duck way out the door. How is mining there dangerous?

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Response to foia (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 08:39 PM

24. Sure, there are two sides

But only one was presented here at first so I presented the other one.

The executive branch has a big role in budgeting. Between Trump's tax cut and his military binge much of the deficits are explained.

Bears ears was there before Obama named it. It was sacred to Native Americans for a long time. Mining would damage the appearance of a wonderful place.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #24)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:43 PM

26. Trump campaigned on his tax cut which has really helped the market and economy

I don't buy into his "stable genius" shtick but he does have a lot of economic common sense that has greatly benefited the country. I also approve of him actually doing something about trade disparities which his predecessors just talked about.

If Obama hadn't gutted the military then the cost of rebuilding would not have been necessary.

Obama did more than just name it, he turned it into a national monument. It was an arbitrary last minute lame duck action on his part. But you claimed Trump had done all sorts of "dangerous" things. Allowing mining is not dangerous.

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Response to foia (Reply #26)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 10:19 PM

27. Inviting foreign countries to get involved in our elections is dangerous.

Trump's tax cut did seem to bring a boom but its like we are having a big party with our grandkids' money. I haven't seen any benefit from Trump's trade wars.

The military was fine under Obama. Nobody took over us or any of our allies. Its 10 times the size of its nearest competitor. I believe Obama raised military spending. I admire Trump for wanting to use the military less but its seems if that's the way to go there ought to be some savings.

Bears Ears was not arbitrary. It was a great decision. It may not seem like an injury to you but I see spoiling our public land as a serious injury. Many others do.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #27)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 08:35 AM

28. When did he invite foreign countries to get involved in our elections?

He didn't.

He cut corporate taxes to make US companies more competitive and keep jobs in the US. That way our grandkids will have jobs. But I suppose you'd prefer as many as possible of them to be on the public dole.

Your standard for our military is whether or not somebody invades us or our allies? That's damned funny. I suppose China's military buildup doesn't bother you in the least. Or nations that Russia arms.

Bears Ears was a last second thing he did on his way out the door at the end of his eight years. Uranium mining is necessary whether on public or private land.

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Response to foia (Reply #28)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 08:52 AM

29. Trump invited Ukraine and China to get involved in our elections.

He told Russia he doesn't mind that much if they do.

I don't want anybody on the dole. If lower taxes makes companies more competitive how competitive will our companies be when they are forced to pay back all that debt? Trump is giving up jobs later for jobs now.

What is the military for? They say "defense." Too many forget that is the purpose. Is Trump negotiating any arms deals with China or Russia? I haven't heard of any.

We import most of our uranium anyway.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #29)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 09:38 AM

31. When did he invite foreign countries to get involved in our elections?

You make that claim. BACK IT UP.

Do you know who pays corporate taxes? People who buy products and services. Like you and me. Companies do not have printing presses to make currency for paying taxes. Corporate taxes are paid with revenue that they make selling goods and services. Higher corporate taxes incent companies to conduct operations overseas. That's bad for our economy. Less jobs, less tax revenue from corporations and income taxes.

Uranium is a strategic resource. And I guess you're OK with other countries mining it, just not the US. (Or Hillary giving it away in return for contributions to the Clinton slush fund.)

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Response to foia (Reply #31)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 09:58 AM

32. Trump Just Did It Out in the Open

Facing impeachment over his secret request that Ukraine investigate the Bidens, the president appealed to China to do the same.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/trump-calls-china-interfere-2020-election/599365/

Bears Ears isn't going to alter our uranium situation much. Don't believe the Uranium One hoax about the Clintons. Its been debunked.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #32)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 06:54 PM

34. Hunter Biden isn't running for office

And just because his dad is doesn't make him or his son immune from being investigated. It's certainly fishy to say the least that Hunter got $1.5B shuffled his way from the Chinese, don't you think?

But you're a lefty so you just conveniently ignore it.

I certainly want both Chinese and US authorities to find out how that whore-mongering drug addict got such a sweet deal.

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Response to foia (Reply #34)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 08:10 PM

35. It sure was fishy

Because the $1.5 billion from China to Hunter Biden was a hoax. Its been debunked.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/oct/02/donald-trumps-accusations-about-hunter-biden-and-c/

I ignore it because its not true. But if you are very concerned about that kind of thing I suggest you look into this:

Ivanka Trump Wins China Trademarks, Then Her Father Vows to Save ZTE

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/business/ivanka-trump-china-trademarks.html

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Response to Trevor (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 08:46 PM

25. Republicans only care about the debt when a D is in office

It's a circus

Washington, District of Criminals and Draft Dodgers is broken

Notice how Righty doesn't care a tiny bit about draft dodgers anymore

Until a Democrat draft dodger runs for office

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Response to Aquila (Reply #25)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 09:09 AM

30. Democrats only care about the debt when an R is in office

Fixed it for you

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Response to Trevor (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 02:28 PM

14. You mean....

....Obama right? Since this started under his administration.

As I deal with NPDES permits as part of my job, I can say unequivocally, that you're flat out wrong.

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Response to Steelydamned (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 05:35 PM

17. Are you saying he didn't allow fracking fluid to be dumped in the Gulf?

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Response to Trevor (Reply #17)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 06:27 PM

20. who is HE?

You mean the Obama appointee?

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Response to PrescientWon. (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:52 PM

22. Trump

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Response to Trevor (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 02:21 PM

33. Wait what? Like Obama did? Is that what you mean?

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Response to Trevor (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 12:12 PM

9. The opinions you post mean nothing to us.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:32 PM

15. Dangerous, is the kooks who still can't accept the loss to this day.

Some call them democrats.

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Response to imwithfred (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 06:05 PM

18. This is what I've been saying. They want an well behaved employee, not a leader.

And these dumb fucks, Lefty goes along with it all.

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Response to imwithfred (Original post)

Sun Dec 1, 2019, 01:21 PM

36. LOL

Donnie is a lying con man. It's that simple.

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