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Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:06 AM

 

Right wingers, is this a scum sociopath? Or a patriot? Indiana Republican: ‘No One Has the Guts’ to

Indiana Republican: ‘No One Has the Guts’ to Let the Poor ‘Wither and Die’ - See more at: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/indiana-republican-one-guts-let-poor-wither-die/#sthash.u8Sd9Paz.dpuf

But to grasp just how much Johnston hates the poor, you really need to see his comments in their full context.

“For almost three generations people, in some cases, have been given handouts,” Johnston said. “They have been ‘enabled’ so much that their paradigm in life is simply being given the stuff of life, however meager.”

“What you see is a setting for a life of misery is life to them never-the-less,” he continued. “No one has the guts to just let them wither and die. No one who wants votes is willing to call a spade a spade. As long as the Dems can get their votes the enabling will continue. The Republicans need their votes and dare not cut the fiscal tether. It is really a political Catch-22.”

But Johnston didn’t stop there, “The voters are the ones in charge. However when only 10-11 percent show up to vote, not much will change. People simply are not hurting enough, or simply happy enough that they will do nothing. Consequently the dole continues.”

- See more at: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/indiana-republican-one-guts-let-poor-wither-die/#sthash.u8Sd9Paz.dpuf

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I hear this narrative all the time here and other places right wingers let loose. The only reason the Dems are not as bloodthirsty as us Republicans is, the poor are reliable votes. The insinuation is, hell yeah we are ghouls, dont give a fuck whether we serve you, the people or not, but you Dems are just as, no strike that, much worse than we are. Because you ACT friendly.

The Republicans seem to say, vote for us, we will give nothing, and dont care what your needs and concerns are. We only represent those that need nothing. WE endeavor to slam taxation without representation on all those that are not well heeled.

Patriotic perspective? Or hideous vicious hate for those not in ones class?

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Response to Guyzilla (Original post)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:10 AM

1. Machiavellian sociopath.

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Response to Guyzilla (Original post)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:12 AM

2. Patriot

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Response to brew9876 (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:13 AM

3. WHY?

 

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Response to Guyzilla (Original post)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:13 AM

4. Patriot

 

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Response to Guyzilla (Original post)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:13 AM

5. So, what you're saying is:

 

because this guy said is supposed to be reprehensible that anything he would associate with we should disassociate ourselves from otherwise we are part and parcel of his extremism.

Is that where this is supposed to go? Is that the standard?

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Response to I814U2CY (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:15 AM

6. NOPE. I asked a simple question. Forget the baggage. Is this vicious sociopathy? Or a patriot?

 

Bonus question. Why in the hell should anyone but the rich vote for such malpractice of representation?

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Response to Guyzilla (Reply #6)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:14 PM

31. Why should producers support non-producers who provide no goods or services?

 

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Response to I814U2CY (Reply #31)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:18 PM

32. Good point, let the elderly starve, die from lack of healthcare, end Social Security and Medicare.

 

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Response to Guyzilla (Reply #32)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:21 PM

34. Retirement is a fiction of the modern western world. nt

 

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Response to I814U2CY (Reply #34)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:31 PM

37. Sure nuff'. Arbeit macht frei- promoted by the REALISTS of the western world.

 

is a German phrase meaning "work makes (you) free

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Response to Guyzilla (Reply #37)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 04:53 PM

60. You're seriously comparing the absence of a pensioning system to a Nazi concentration camp?

 

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Response to I814U2CY (Reply #60)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 05:04 PM

61. And what is the alternative to a pension system?

 

I was told IN THIS forum, that I, as a disabled person, will wind up in the FEMA work camps. Then, I was told, that I was safe, as being disabled, I would sponge off their wages.

We had a system where there was no pension system. Pneumonia, was referred to as the elderly angel of mercy. It took the elderly quick.

What would bring in one thin dime, but labor in a work camp? Lets say you are disabled, and 70s? Who would hire you? So, you starve to death. Or, you work, at gov work camps.

THAT IS NO JOKE. That is how life was, before SS.

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Response to Guyzilla (Reply #61)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 05:10 PM

62. There were never any disabled people or old people before the 1940s. Ever.

 

We had a system where there was no pension system. Pneumonia, was referred to as the elderly angel of mercy. It took the elderly quick.



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Response to Guyzilla (Original post)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:16 AM

7. You don't have to be a sociopath to be a Republican

...but it's a great start.

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Response to Guyzilla (Original post)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:16 AM

8. He threw in "call a spade a spade" too. LOL.

That whack job doubled down on the crazy, that's for sure.

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Response to Guyzilla (Original post)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:21 AM

9. Patriot..

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #9)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:24 AM

10. Why?

 

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Response to Guyzilla (Reply #10)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:25 AM

11. Cause i said so.

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Response to Guyzilla (Reply #10)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:28 AM

12. Because that is what their Talking Point source said to call it.

No thinking required.

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Response to Guyzilla (Original post)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:35 AM

13. Scum sociopath

Let me guess, he's also "prolife".

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Response to SonderWoman (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:39 AM

14. I didnt ask those with an intact conscience. I know you dont jones for torture.

 

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Response to Guyzilla (Original post)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:43 AM

15. “What you see is a setting for a life of misery is life to them never-the-less,” he continued

 

And who pray tell, designs the system to aid only enough for a life of misery?

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Response to Guyzilla (Original post)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:47 AM

16. Dang...I'm not a right winger. Can't answer.

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Response to Jenny Fromdablock (Reply #16)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:50 AM

17. If you vote for scum sociopaths, you can answer.

 

Would you vote for a guy that wants to starve the poor to death, or wants to sterilize poor women?

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Response to Guyzilla (Reply #17)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:52 AM

18. I did vote for Gore, so...does that qualify?

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Response to Jenny Fromdablock (Reply #18)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:53 AM

19. Only if it was to game the primaries.

 

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Response to Guyzilla (Original post)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 12:00 PM

20. I see we have some honest cons here who viciously hate poor people and are willing

 

to admit it, that is honesty, I will say that.

Look, rank and file cons think they are capitalists (they arent, they work for one but they arent) and have been sold the lie that poor people are mostly BLACK and bad and so on.

When LBJ said this he was thinking of people who have posted right here in this thread, or he would be thinking of them if he was alive:


"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." ~
LYNDON B. JOHNSON, 1960,

This quote explains the teaparty, period.

When one of two main political parties of the USA admits they viciously hate poor people, and they admit this every day, then the American people need to make some decisions.

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Response to BatmanSux (Reply #20)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 12:03 PM

23. "American people need to make some decisions"..We will in November.

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #23)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 12:10 PM

25. Agreed, either you hate poor people and minorities and want them to die

 

or live in poverty forever, or you dont.

My hope is either we permanently eliminate the rightwing terrorists politically speaking, or we let them have full control.

Within 2 years all rank and file cons who arent rich will be on their knees begging the libs to bail them out.

I want to see that, but the pain it will cause may be more than even I can handle.

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Response to BatmanSux (Reply #25)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 12:14 PM

27. Repubs take senate in Nov and keep congress..

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Response to BatmanSux (Reply #20)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:42 PM

38. Will there ever be

a post where you leave out the bullshit?

Can I try?

"My fear is that the whole island (of Guam) will become so overly populated that it will tip over and capsize."

This quote shows the intelligence of Democrats. Period.

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Response to kevlar (Reply #38)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:57 PM

39. So, if DEMS were more intelligent, they too would opt for starving and such, the poor?

 

Is it the native intelligence of Republicans that CAUSES their hatred?

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Response to Guyzilla (Reply #39)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:59 PM

40. So many assumptions

and no time for any of them.

If you behave like less of an ass people MAY take you more seriously.

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Response to kevlar (Reply #40)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 02:01 PM

42. I seriously have some replies. There are some serious views.

 

Why get personal? Oh, thats right, you aint got nuthin'.

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Response to Guyzilla (Reply #42)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 02:06 PM

45. No,

no time for small minded posters who insult and denigrate with every post.

If you have real questions, that you can manage to ask without resorting to when did you stop beating your wife type nonsense, by all means post it.

Otherwise......

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Response to kevlar (Reply #45)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 02:17 PM

52. Im sure you view Gowdy's fishing expedition, and generally all Fox News trolling the same.

 

If you cant take the heat, opt for the Fox News popsickle.

I cant help that you feel trapped by your OWN positions.

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Response to Guyzilla (Reply #52)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 03:15 PM

58. Blah blah blah

We could save some time here, just post as me, giving what you believe my opinion to be on any given subject, you would be wrong 99% of the time, but I'm sure it would make you feel better.

Theater of the absurd.

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Response to kevlar (Reply #38)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 02:29 PM

55. Why so angry, some of you admit you hate poor people enough to not care if they die

 

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Response to Guyzilla (Original post)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 12:02 PM

21. Certainly an idiot, sociopath maybe. Patriot? Not so much...

But there is a discussion that needs to take place regarding welfare, for both individuals and corporations and the societal impact of past decisions and how it will affect future planning.

One could argue that we as a society have created a serious problem for black families that didn't exist prior to the war on poverty, that problem is the disparity between black children being raised in single parent homes versus other races and the economic reality associated with non-wed single mothers raising children.

The other interesting statistic regarding race is that blacks abort one third of all pregnancies, and some urban areas have seen blacks aborting more pregnancies than there are live births.

I am not certain this a societal outcome that was expected, and I'm not certain there has been a root cause analysis to determine the best course of action to raise children in the best possible circumstance.

There is a large amount of statistical data that indicates we have failed black families, discussing this issue is uncomfortable. Bringing up the reality of life based on statistical outcomes for blacks is opening oneself to charges of racism. Most people prefer not to be accused of being racist for asking a question about whether or not our current policies are actually producing the society we were striving for and if those policies are in fact failing us what action do we take to make life better for black children in the US.

The corporate side of this equation has also created an environment where states compete against each for scraps of business by giving away potential tax returns for the promise of a production facility located within their borders. Is that the society we intended to create? States fighting each other for work by offering massive concessions that limit the tax responsibility of the new business? Creating free trade agreements that kill entire industries in the US once they are re-located south of the border or overseas?

I think both parties are filled with corporatists who will sell you their mother if it keeps them in the ruling elite, I think the republicans have managed to find or attract some folks with seriously skewed concepts on what constitutes a great society. But the democrats are not making me think they are without transgression.

I find that we are really voting for who will hurt us the least instead of voting for leadership that has a direction to take the nation towards a serious reduction in the wealth gap and a more inclusive economic participation at every level.

But what do I know? I'm just another idiot typing words on some stupid internet forum....

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Response to nolens volens (Reply #21)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 12:07 PM

24. What black families? 75% are single mothers..

When you say we failed,the democratic party took blacks under it's wing 50 years ago and told them about the horrible whitey republican...50 years later how is that working out for the black culture??

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #24)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 12:27 PM

28. So explain how you fix it by starving them...or sterilizing them.

My point was we have failed them. We being the American public by electing leaders who did nothing to create a positive outcome.

I was pretty clear that our policies since the 70s didn't work, blaming one side or the other fixes the problem how? I think both parties suck, and both parties have people who want to rule us instead of lead us. We the people have allowed this situation to continue. What powerful new initiatives have been introduced by either party that has produced results to alter the outcome?

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Response to nolens volens (Reply #28)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:24 PM

35. No...The democratic party has failed them.

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #35)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 02:00 PM

41. Concern trolling with no solutions, is worthless.

 

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Response to Guyzilla (Reply #41)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 02:04 PM

43. Actually i don't give a sh*t about other peoples lives.

All i care about is my family.

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #43)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 02:05 PM

44. Wrote an OP that stated that. Thank you for confirming. You are a great AMERICAN.

 

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Response to Guyzilla (Reply #44)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 02:07 PM

46. Glad to be of assistance.

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #46)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 02:10 PM

47. That sounds a little ironic.

 

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Response to Guyzilla (Reply #47)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 02:13 PM

49. Maybe you need to get your hearing checked?

Have noticed a lot of people on DI saying it "sounds"..Might be a virus going around..

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #24)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 02:11 PM

48. Are you saying that a single woman with children does not constitute a family?

Does it require two parents living in a home for a family to exist?

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Response to News2Me (Reply #48)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 02:16 PM

51. Is this a trick question?

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #51)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 02:18 PM

53. No tricks. Just wondering what your definition of family is.

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Response to News2Me (Reply #53)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 02:21 PM

54. Why?

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #54)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 02:57 PM

57. Never mind. It was just a question. If you don't want to answer it doesn't matter.

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Response to News2Me (Reply #57)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 03:19 PM

59. Of course it matters,to you...

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Response to nolens volens (Reply #21)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 12:10 PM

26. An honest conservative. Welcome.

 

I have known several welfare single mothers that have used welfare to allow them to get educated, and then to prosper. THE PROBLEM IS, only those women that had FAMILY BACKING were able to do so.

The notion that the welfare takers must suffer and stay suffering, is bad for the economy. And the Republicans work tirelessly to make that so. Destitution is the qualifier for help. And the help that is not vetted by insured misery, like some of the help that Obama pushes, is called coddling.

We need to create paths for the poor to ACTUALLY succeed. That will require the right wing heads to explode, and then told to pound sand.

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Response to nolens volens (Reply #21)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 12:51 PM

29. NV you are to be commended for injecting a breath of thoughtful discourse into the

false-dichotomy set up by the flame-bait OP. The legitimate size and scope of the federal government is a debate as old as the republic. No humane or decent society would allow people to starve or suffer needlessly, even if some of those people would do so because of their own poor decisions or habits. But, you are correct to point out that the trillions spent on the war on poverty has done little to improve the lives of poor families in general and black families in particular. Far from giving them a leg up or acting as a bridge in difficult times, it has become a way of life. The cycle of dependence on government programs has eroded family and community institutions that have typically been a source of strength in poor communities. These programs should be structured to reward work and achievement--not be a means of subsistence for the able-bodied.

And you are right about far too many Republicans (and many Democrats as well) --they are firmly in the pocket of the Chamber of Commerce and big business .We are living in an era when we see this corrupt union between big business and big government in nearly every aspect of life. Think about Obamacare---this bastard child born out of a union between the federal government, big pharma, and big insurance. There is nothing sacrosanct about big corporate entities.They should be made to follow the same rules as everyone else. As it is now, big business and the corporate interests they wield can be as oppressive as big government.

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Response to rh24 (Reply #29)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 12:57 PM

30. How would YOU propose a leg up, without being swarmed with right wing hate?

 

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Response to Guyzilla (Reply #30)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:18 PM

33. Didn't Bill Clinton, in conjunction with a Republican Congress, seek to reform welfare?

There was a five year life-time limit, work and job-training provisions. Many of these requirements were subsequently undone by Obama.

I know liberals hate to hear this, but it bugs the shit out of working class people who see someone get a cart load of groceries on SNAP when they have thirty bucks in their checking account and are hoping their debit card won't be declined. People can and (IMO) should see food stamps as a short-term solution. And if you are in a situation where you can't feed yourself, you damn sure should not be thinking about adding to your family. It should be a DEF CON 3 alert that you need to change your circumstances. Absolutely, there should be a social safety net--but it benefits no one to see more and more people dependent on it.


However, I will state for the record I do think government has a role in helping access the American Dream. Why is there more public acceptance of student aid, job training and other related programs? I think it is because those are programs that stress opportunity, self-reliance, and self-improvement--not mere subsistence. And so I deviate from much of the conservative orthodoxy in that respect, I guess.

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Response to rh24 (Reply #33)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:26 PM

36. First off, the undoing was lobbied by Repub Govs.

 

They wanted the freedom to do what works.

Second, ending welfare as we knew it, sounds real good while we are under a balanced budget pres, you know, a DEM, and doesnt work so well under a polltax and spend Repub.

"People can and (IMO) should see food stamps as a short-term solution"

Not on Walmart wages, unless you want them to starvea after an interval.

"Absolutely, there should be a social safety net--but it benefits no one to see more and more people dependent on it."

That would be due to Republican stewardship, and worse economic collapse than the great depression.

Glad you are deviant. Glad you recognize conservative orthodoxy.





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Response to Guyzilla (Original post)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 12:03 PM

22. IMO that's your typical conservative

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Response to Guyzilla (Original post)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 02:15 PM

50. That reminded me of this Oprah quote:

 

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Response to Guyzilla (Original post)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 02:38 PM

56. The Conservative hatred won't ferment correctly

 

unless the necessary lies are added to the mix:

Welfare must be made to sound like a program that you can go on if you just feel like you don't want to work. Never mention anything about having to qualify for it.
Also make sure that even though there is a time limit for benefits, suggest that generations have received assistance since birth.

Make sure to overstate the benefit amounts to be lavish, not the reality that it is next to living in a refrigerator box by the railroad tracks.

Make sure to say that all benefits are easily redeemable for drugs, 40 oz'ers, cigarettes, whore houses, zip guns and hoodies.

Make sure and insinuate that mostly males are on welfare, even though most states limit benefits to a single parent household with children, and that single males can usually only get some food stamp assistance and no cash benefits at all.

Make sure that unemployment benefits are equated as welfare, and that you can just quit your job if you don't like it and go get free unemployment on the taxpayer's (ie.,Conservative's) dime. (Very important!)

Make sure that affordable (and usually run down) HUD Section 8 housing is equated with "free homes".

Make sure that the infant formula from WIC is equated with Lib babies "living off the teat of big government".

Optional ingredient! Try to insinuate that Social Security is really welfare!


Some of these recommendations and others usually get a good batch of Conservative hate fermenting.







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Response to Guyzilla (Original post)

Fri Sep 19, 2014, 03:58 PM

63. John Boehner Is Done Being Nice About The Unemployed

Boehner and the GOP really hate the unemployed and the poor http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/19/john-boehner-unemployment_n_5849742.html?1411141923

WASHINGTON -- House Speaker John Boehner's Thursday lament that unemployed people think they can "just sit around" instead of working shows how much the political conversation about the economy has changed.

All year long, Democrats have bashed the Ohio Republican for his callous indifference to the plight of the long-term unemployed, who Democrats have insisted aren't lazy.

And in dozens of interviews with HuffPost, unemployed people themselves have said they resent any implication they're not trying to find jobs....

During a Thursday event to promote his own jobs plan, however, Boehner let his hair down by lamenting "this idea that has been born, maybe out of the economy over the last couple years, that you know, I really don't have to work. I don't really want to do this. I think I'd rather just sit around. This is a very sick idea for our country."

A spokesman for Boehner told Reuters the speaker wasn't trying to call the unemployed lazy, despite the clear implication. His change in tone probably is owed to two things: First, Democrats are no longer pushing for more unemployment benefits, and secondly, the unemployment rate has fallen steadily to 6.1 percent. Politically, it's safer than it's been in years to dis the jobless.
The GOP hates poor people and is finally being honest about this hatred. The man named in the OP and Boehner have a great deal in common

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