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Mon Jan 13, 2020, 07:36 PM

Obamacare signups

8.3 million people selected policies or were auto-enrolled into coverage on the federal exchange, according to the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services. That's down slightly from the 8.5 million people who signed up in 2019 for coverage.
The data covers all but the last few hours of the open enrollment period -- which had to be extended because of technical problems on the final day of enrollment, December 15 -- for the 38 states that use healthcare.gov. Also, it does not include sign ups from Nevada, which created a state-based exchange this year. Last year, some 84,000 Nevada residents selected 2019 policies on the federal exchange.
The figure also does not include sign ups on the state-based exchanges, some of which have longer open enrollment periods. The final tally likely won't be available until February or March.
Sign ups on the federal exchange have been declining slowly, but steadily, since President Donald Trump took office in 2017 and vowed to overturn the landmark health reform law. He slashed the open enrollment period in half, cut the advertising budget by 90% and severely curtailed funding for enrollment assistance.
Some 9.2 million people picked policies during open enrollment for 2017 coverage, which ran until January 30 of that year.
For 2020, the average premium for the benchmark plan dropped 4% -- the second year in a row of lower rates -- while 20 more insurers are offering policies, bringing the total to 175. While the Trump administration is claiming credit for stabilizing the exchanges, industry experts say insurers have raised rates high enough in recent years to make selling plans on the exchanges a profitable business. A dozen states have also instituted "reinsurance" plans, which help reduce premiums because they shield insurers from high-cost patients.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/20/politics/obamacare-enrollment-2020/index.html

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Response to jh4freedom (Original post)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 08:02 PM

1. It's good to know the govt handouts enabled you to afford healthcare insurance again......

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Response to jh4freedom (Original post)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 09:16 PM

2. So the entire private insurance market had to be completely upended, with millions losing

coverage they liked and could afford to help far fewer than 9 million people?

I am glad those people are being covered. But you can't tell me that the Rube Goldberg scheme of Obamacare was necessary to deliver this outcome

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Response to jh4freedom (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 06:49 AM

3. Back when you guys were trying to get the ACA passed we were being told 30 million people

were uninsured.

You're covering only 8.5 million.

Less than 29% of your intended goal.

If you had a student who turned in a project that only met 29% of the required objectives, what grade would you give that student?

How does that justify the tens of billions of spent, including corporate subsidies?

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Response to jh4freedom (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 08:28 AM

4. How many would sign up...

If we outlawed insurance and forced medical service to float on the free market.

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Response to GoldwatersSoul (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 01:29 PM

8. 12

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 01:41 PM

10. Show your work, professor.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 02:43 PM

11. Which leads me to my next question...

Is that your age, IQ, or sperm count.

Like most issues, democrats have an idea handed to them and they carry it out till it is replaced by another idea from their leader.

If theybsimply thought about it...maybe understood basic econ...they might realize how fucking stupid ACA is.

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Response to jh4freedom (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 09:26 AM

5. Only lefty could equate

Chosen to enroll with auto enrolled.

While simultaneously heralding less than 1/4 of 1% of the population as a success

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Response to R. Cavu (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 01:40 PM

9. Only a righty

wouldn't understand that auto-enrolled means that a person wants to continue their current plan that they signed up for in a previous year rather than changing plans.
Yes, most taxpayers consider it a success when people have health insurance rather than getting their healthcare needs met in emergency rooms where the care can be five times more expensive than preventive care.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 02:47 PM

12. Success would be...

Creating a plan that allowed people to function outside the current system. A reduced pay as you go system with credit to allw affordable payments so that those wjo need services can pay their way and not have to face the indignity of the public dole.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:11 AM

14. What's the difference to me if I have to pay to cover the uninsured through hospital billing

or government tax? I'm still getting stuck with the cost of the uninsured.

Except, now I also get to pay for a massive, invasive government leviathan that spends its time trying to force nuns to buy birth control all the way to the Supreme Court and hospital costs haven't gone down.

What you don't understand is: we see through your tissue paper thin facade of ineffectual charity masking your statist mania.

You are not smart enough or strong enough to rule us.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:18 PM

30. No it does not.

It means you are lying again.....

Auto enrolled could also mean they forgot to opt out.

Leave it to lefty to include a scam evergreen clause in healthcare.......

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Response to jh4freedom (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 12:22 PM

6. That's fucking wonderful. Considering my daughter in laws plan DOUBLED when she first

enrolled. I'm sure that 4 percent drop helped a lot.


"For 2020, the average premium for the benchmark plan dropped 4% -- "

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Response to MeatSandwich (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 01:03 PM

7. Your DIL on government health care?

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:51 PM

13. She lost her work coverage and had to go with Obummer care.

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Response to MeatSandwich (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 07:09 AM

15. At least she had an option.

Her employer sounds like a POS. Maybe she should consider finding a new job.

No fan of the ACA for lot of reasons but when I changed jobs pre-ACA I went without health insurance for 6 months due to a waiting period with my new employer and the exorbitant cost private insurance

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:05 AM

16. Sure, blame it on the employer for no reason whatsoever.

I have a daughter who is unemployed who has a private plan that increased by 20% last year. This it's down about 2%.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:38 AM

17. How do you interrupt this:

"She lost her work coverage"
There must be a reason she "lost" it and note that is wasn't stated that she is "opting not to buy coverage through her employer".

My employer health care coverage has gone up almost every year since I started buying it in 1984 regardless of who I have been working for.



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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:58 PM

32. The question is how do I interpret this:

"Her employer sounds like a POS. Maybe she should consider finding a new job."

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #32)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 03:03 PM

33. If her employer stopped offering health benefits then finding a new job is a

reasonable and sensible thing to do.

And I would be asking the question why they stopped offering them.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #33)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:55 PM

37. I have a good friend who owned a small business - restaurant - when BOcare was enacted

and was suddenly required to offer health care plans to anyone full time. This would have put her out of business, thus employing no one. My daughter happened to also work at this business at the time. The result was to have no one work full time except for a manager who was basically kept on so that the owner could get a couple evenings off every week.

I'm just saying that a business owner dropping someone's healthcare may not be because the owner is an asshole. So your knee jerk reaction is noted and recognized.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #37)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:45 AM

40. I find that somewhat unlikley

Under the law employers with less than 50 full time employees are exempt from having to provide coverage so your story seems unlikely to be true.

"Small employers – in this case, those with fewer than 50 full-time equivalent (FTE) employees – are exempt from the coverage requirement and penalty."

Source: https://www.healthinsurance.org/faqs/are-employers-required-by-the-affordable-care-act-to-purchase-group-insurance-for-their-employees/

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #40)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:03 AM

41. Well, the story IS true. You calling me a liar?

My very close friend would have no reason to lie to me.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #41)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:51 AM

42. I am telling you that the LAW does not REQUIRE employers with less than 50 full time employees

to provide health care coverage.

That is a fact so either the business has more than 50 full time employees or the story is suspect.


The health care law requires the following organizations and some other parties to report that they provide health coverage to their employees: Certain employers, generally those with 50 or more full-time and full-time equivalent employees. Health insurance companies. Self-insuring employers of any size.
https://www.healthcare.gov/small-businesses/learn-more/how-aca-affects-businesses/

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #42)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:55 AM

43. And you know what the Colorado law was in 2013?

Please post a link.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #43)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:01 PM

44. If it was a Colorado requirement it was not because of the ACA is was because of Colorado law

Which is NOT what you stated, you said "I have a good friend who owned a small business - restaurant - when BOcare was enacted and was suddenly required to offer health care plans to anyone full time."

If it is specifically a Colorado Law it is not related to the ACA

The ACA specifically exempts small businesses with less than full time employees from the health care coverage requirement.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #44)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:38 PM

46. Different states had different regulations

just like each state had their own market place.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #46)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 02:17 PM

50. Yes different states enacted their own STATE SPECIFIC legislation

and the requirements enacted by those state are the responsibility and the fault of those state legislatures.

Which is an entirely separate issue than what you stated in your reply " I have a good friend who owned a small business - restaurant - when BOcare was enacted and was suddenly required to offer health care plans to anyone full time."

The requirement was not because of "BOcare" it was because of the COLORADO LAW.

My reply to you was entirely accurate, employers with less than 50 full time employees are exempt from the requirement under "BOcare"

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #50)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 09:40 AM

56. Here, satisfy your obsession by calling the Washington Free Beacon

and telling them that they are wrong.

Report: 300,000 Small Business Jobs Lost Due to Obamacare
Over 10,000 small business establishments shut down due to health care law
https://freebeacon.com/issues/report-jobs-lost-obamacare/

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #46)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 08:38 AM

51. Have a great weekend.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #43)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:11 PM

45. Specific to Colorado

Small employers — generally those with fewer than 50 full-time employees — may be eligible for credits and other benefits. If you run a small business, you have the option of buying health insurance for your employees through the Connect for Health Colorado Marketplace. Just like individual insurance, the group plans offered there starting in October 2013 may qualify for federal subsidies to reduce their cost. You can also take advantage of the many Assistance Sites throughout Colorado. Find out more.

Employers with:

Fewer than 25 full-time equivalent employees may be eligible for a Small Business Health Care Tax Credit to help cover the cost of providing coverage.
Generally 50 or fewer employees may be eligible to buy coverage through the Small Business Health Options Program (SHOP). In Colorado, this coverage can be purchased through the Connect for Health Colorado Marketplace.
50 or more full-time equivalent employees will need to file an annual information return reporting whether and what health insurance they offered employees.

https://www.cohealthinfo.com/i-am-an-employer/

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #45)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 08:56 AM

52. Look, all I know is what my friend told me,

that she had to provide health coverage for her managers. You can post as much as want about it, but it doesn't change what she told me. Eventually, BOcare and her asshole landlord who wouldn't fix the ventilation system put her out of business. If you're really that obsessed about this I can give you her email address and you can argue with her.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #52)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 09:18 AM

53. I posted that yesterday in the middle of our discussion.

Response to bfox74 (Reply #43)Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:11 AM
https://www.discussionist.com/10152121590#post45

You asked me to link to Colorado specific requirements and I did.

You just don't want to admit you were wrong and I was right that her situation was not due to the ACA, which I despise and have said so many times on this board, but in fact due to Colorado specific requirements imposed by Colorado politicians.

https://www.discussionist.com/10152121590#post51

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #53)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 09:25 AM

54. Like I said, if you're that obsessed...

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #54)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 09:38 AM

55. Dude I dropped it yesterday

I posted have a great weekend to you today

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #55)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 09:41 AM

57. Why would you do that if you didn't expect a reply?

I'm finished here.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #57)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 09:44 AM

58. I was just trying to be nice

Why didn't you reply to my HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND post instead of replying to a post from 11:11 yesterday morning?

You posted BS and got called on it, sorry if you don't like it.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #58)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 10:01 AM

59. And you still haven't proven that it's BS

In fact, I just proved that you posted BS. Here it is again if you missed it:

Report: 300,000 Small Business Jobs Lost Due to Obamacare
Over 10,000 small business establishments shut down due to health care law
https://freebeacon.com/issues/report-jobs-lost-obamacare/

This is just one a many, many sources talking about how BOcare hurt small businesses, which you seem to claim didn't happen.

Have a nice weekend.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #59)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 10:05 AM

60. I called your BS and about your friends business, I didn't defend the ACA

or claim it wasn't bad for business.

You changed your argument that it was because of "BOcare" and asked me to link to requirements SPECIFIC TO COLORADO yourself.

You posted BS saying your friends business was directly impacted by "BOcare" now you are trying to change your argument again.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #60)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 10:12 AM

61. You called me a liar simply because what I posted didn't fit your liberal narrative.

You're in denial that BOcare supposedly didn't affect small businesses. I told you what my friend told me and have posted proof that it happened elsewhere.

Yes, you posted some Colorado legislation, but still didn't prove what my friend said was incorrect. Her business which was open for 20 years is now gone. I suppose you're going to tell me that it's still open because BOcare didn't affect small business.

This reminds me of the Russians when the reactor at Chernobyl exploded and they said "no it didn't because RBMK reactors can't explode."

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #61)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 10:15 AM

62. No I did not call you a liar

I said it was unlikely that the specifics of what you posted were true or accurate and it turns out I was right by your own admission that it was caused by state specific legislation in Colorado and NOT by "BOcare" as yourself stated.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #62)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 10:18 AM

63. Which is the same as calling me a liar.

I told you what I knew, and you said it was wrong. Now I've posted evidence that what I said happened actually did happen in other places around the country and you choose to ignore it because it doesn't fit your narrative.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #63)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 10:25 AM

64. Changing the argument now because what I stated was true and what you stated was not

We were talking specifically about one business.

bfox74 (16,872 posts)
37. I have a good friend who owned a small business - restaurant - when BOcare was enacted
and was suddenly required to offer health care plans to anyone full time. This would have put her out of business, thus employing no one. My daughter happened to also work at this business at the time. The result was to have no one work full time except for a manager who was basically kept on so that the owner could get a couple evenings off every week.


Independent.mind (7,146 posts)
40. I find that somewhat unlikley

Under the law employers with less than 50 full time employees are exempt from having to provide coverage so your story seems unlikely to be true.
"Small employers – in this case, those with fewer than 50 full-time equivalent (FTE) employees – are exempt from the coverage requirement and penalty."
Source: https://www.healthinsurance.org/faqs/are-employers-required-by-the-affordable-care-act-to-purchase-group-insurance-for-their-employees/

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #64)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 10:31 AM

65. And what I stated was also true. So I guess we both have to stick to our truisms

and be happy with that.

You should start calling those 10,000 now closed businesses and tell them that they are still in business because you can post evidence on a discussion forum that BOcare didn't close them down.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #65)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 10:40 AM

67. I never said that the ACA wasn't bad for business and didn't cause some to close

I said the specific situation you posted about was highly unlikely to be as you posted it and I was right.

You on the other hand did say, inaccurately, that your friends business had to cut everyone from full-time hours directly because of the ACA when that was not the case.

If it happened it was due to COLORADO LAW not the ACA

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #64)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 10:38 AM

66. Here's the phone number for Luigi's Italian Restaurant

(303) 694-9357

Give them a call and tell them the good news that they are still open. While you're at it, put in an order for the Lamb osso buco. It's fucking awesome!

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #66)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 10:43 AM

68. Just cant admit you were wrong can you

You insist that the argument has to be expanded so you can claim you are not.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #68)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 10:47 AM

69. Nothing I said was wrong.

You can't admit that you can't find evidence that what said was wrong. Posting BOcare legislation does not prove your point. It only proves that you are able to find something unrelated to the topic and try to pass it off as relevant.

Since you were not part of the conversation back in 2013 in Centennial, CO, you have no way of justifying calling me a liar.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #69)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 10:50 AM

70. So your friends business had to cut full-time hours

because of the ACA and not because of Colorado state law?

That was your claim and you say nothing you said was wrong

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #70)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 10:57 AM

71. sigh...

I already said that states regulated BOcare differently.

Bye

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:41 AM

18. By the way Trump promised he was going to provide details on "phenomenal health care"

by around August and still nothing has been provided.

https://www.discussionist.com/10152072564

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:09 PM

28. 3 fucking times the cost of her work insurance and not nearly as good.

Stop me from shouting from the roof. With a 15,000 deductible, it might as well not be insurance at all.

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Response to MeatSandwich (Reply #28)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:12 PM

29. Completely understand as I had a very similar situation.

What happened that caused her loss of work insurance?

Health care costs in this country are outrageous and not getting any better.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #29)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:31 PM

73. She was laid off.

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Response to MeatSandwich (Reply #73)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:47 PM

74. Damn I hate to hear that.

Hope she is able to find new employment soon.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #74)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:55 PM

75. This was two years ago, she's back at another job with REAL insurance again.

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Response to MeatSandwich (Reply #75)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:58 PM

76. That is great to hear.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:34 AM

19. Many on Ocare had their private plans cancelled and were forced on the exchange.

Which was by design,

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Response to rh24 (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:40 AM

20. Not so in this case.

Meat said his DIL "lost her work coverage"

Sounds like a decision by her employer to get rid of health benefits or a reduction in work hours or some other circumstance that caused a disqualification of eligibility to me but I obviously don't know the specifics of her situation.

The ACA was a mess from the start.
It is outrageous that congress passed legislation that was that bad and needed modification even prior to it's passage.

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Response to jh4freedom (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:48 AM

21. Nothing wrong with the exchange

it's actually an idea with some merit. However, end the subsidies and let's get to the natural equilibrium.

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Response to Valishin (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:55 AM

22. My ex had to get her insurance through the exchange....

...after our divorce. Seeing as how I have a good plan through my employer that I let her remain on until the big D was final, she was less than enthused with her choices.

It still brings a smile to my face whenever I hear her bitch about it.

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Response to Steelydamned (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:09 AM

23. Sounds like she didn't like

the fact that she was going to have to pay for it herself. They probably had plans similar to the one you provided her previously, however the price tag for it would not have been insignificant.

My point is that there is merit to having a central repository where people can go to shop around for plans. However, having subsidies and limitations for plans in the repository keeps us from getting to a natural balance based on the market.

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Response to Valishin (Reply #23)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:13 AM

24. Yes, i tend to agree

And yes, you're also right about her not wanting to pay for it and the cost is more. If fact, according to her she's paying more for just her than I am for myself and the kids on my plan.

But, she tends to poormouth so, she also might be full of shit.

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Response to Steelydamned (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:19 AM

25. It is very possible as most employers subsidize employees health care coverage costs.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #25)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:24 AM

26. Entirely true but....

...due to her being as trustworthy as a Bourbon street hotdog, I'm skeptical.

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Response to Steelydamned (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:27 AM

27. Totally relate to what you are saying there.

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Response to jh4freedom (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:59 PM

31. Health coverage by the numbers

Health insurance coverage is provided by several public and private sources. During 2019, the U.S. population overall was approximately 330 million, with 59 million people 65 years of age and over covered by the federal Medicare program. The 273 million non-institutionalized persons under age 65 either obtained their coverage from employer-based (159 million) or non-employer based (84 million) sources, or were uninsured (30 million). During the year 2019, 89% of the non-institutionalized population had health insurance coverage. Separately, approximately 12 million military personnel (considered part of the "institutional" population) received coverage through the Veteran's Administration and the Military Health System.

The US remains the sole industrialized nation in the world without universal health care coverage.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_insurance_coverage_in_the_United_States

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #31)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 03:05 PM

34. "The US remains the sole industrialized nation in the world without universal health care coverage."

GOOD!

You guys suck at governing - and you're corrupt AF!

This is literally a "if you're friends were dumb enough to jump off a bridge would you do it too?" question.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #34)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 03:44 PM

35. Trump "sucks at governing?"

Good to know.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 04:04 PM

36. It's your ACA. It's your 28% final grade.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #36)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:36 PM

38. And here I thought Donald Chump was running the federal government

for the last three years.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #38)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:42 PM

39. You lied to pass it. You fought to keep it.

You posted a thread to brag about your 28% success.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #39)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 01:00 PM

47. I'm not in Congress

And it was Chief Justice John Roberts who was the deciding vote on Obamacare.
"Supreme Court Upholds Health Care Law, 5-4, in Victory for Obama"
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/29/us/supreme-court-lets-health-law-largely-stand.html

You don't have the character or the integrity to tell the whole story.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #47)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 01:17 PM

49. .You are obviously humiliated by the law you champion.

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Response to jh4freedom (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 01:06 PM

48. Kaiser Family Foundation Poll on the Affordable Care Act

KFF Health Tracking Poll: The Public’s Views on the ACA
Published: Nov 20, 2019

The public has remained deeply divided on the health reform law since it was passed in March 2010. Click below to examine how specific groups feel about the law and how those opinions have changed or not changed over time.

We asked: “As you may know, a health reform bill was signed into law in 2010. Given what you know about the health reform law, do you have a generally favorable or generally unfavorable opinion of it?”
All Adults
Favorable: 52%
Unfavorable: 41%
https://www.kff.org/interactive/kff-health-tracking-poll-the-publics-views-on-the-aca/#?response=Favorable--Unfavorable&aRange=twoYear

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