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Thu Feb 13, 2020, 01:36 AM

Virgnia House votes to relinquish sovereignty

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/12/politics/va-house-electoral-college-popular-vote/index.html

Virginia House passes bill to give electoral votes to popular vote winner
By Kelly Mena, CNN

Updated 8:17 PM ET, Wed February 12, 2020

Virginia's House of Delegates passed a bill on Tuesday that would award the state's electoral votes to the national winner of the presidential popular vote.

The measure, HB 177, would look to incorporate Virginia into the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, an agreement established by each participating state's laws to put its electoral votes toward the winner of the national popular vote, instead of the state's own popular vote.
"This idea that some American citizens should have more power than other American citizens to choose the president of the United States, I, frankly, find profoundly offensive," Del. Mark Levine, the sponsor of the bill, told CNN over the phone.

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Response to foia (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 01:40 AM

1. It will not be long before this country breaks apart. ...

We will be able to thank the Democratic Party for ruining what was the greatest nation in the world.

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Response to batcat (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 11:17 AM

10. They did it before.

They will do it again.

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Response to foia (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 01:50 AM

2. Here's the first problem with that plan

there is no official tally of such more or less a mechanism in place for challenges or recounts. So even with such a law in place, the system doesn't exist to support it.

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Response to Valishin (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 03:08 AM

4. This is already headed to SCOTUS.

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 03:54 AM

5. States have the right to choose how their electors are allocated...

I don't see a case there for the SCOTUS.

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Response to JohnPoet (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:07 AM

7. Interstate compacts that elevate states above the Federal level are forbidden.

Not to mention it violates the equal protection clause as it seeks to cast a states electors to the winner of another states election with no say in their process.

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Response to JohnPoet (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:43 AM

8. If the states are making it conditional on the actions of other states

prior to implementation then the SCOTUS could shoot it down due to the limitation the Constitution puts on the states negotiating agreements with other entities a power reserved to the federal government and why interstate agreements always go through the federal government at least for a blessing if not for negotiation. The alternative would be for states to try to start simply implementing this without such a condition but that would be a political nightmare for the first 20 or so states that did this as their people would be outraged.

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Response to JohnPoet (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 11:19 AM

11. How many states...

Would have signed on to the Constitution if they knew that their choice of executive would be hamstrung in such a way.

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Response to JohnPoet (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 12:37 PM

14. it is already on the war from a different state.

So the courts see the need for it to go to SCOTUS.

Still winning and still loving it.

The democrats are trying to defeat the Electoral College. The democrats are trying to skirt the constitution and one of the main roadblocks from mob rule.

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 06:52 AM

6. As it should be

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Response to Boadicea (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 11:34 AM

12. Do you think Hillary would've won in 2016 if popular vote determined the presidency?

Hint: Trump would've run his campaign MUCH differently as would have Hillary. Unless you think either was dumb enough to base their campaigns on winning something that didn't matter. i.e. The popular vote.

For example, both candidates "wrote off" many states they did not think they could win. For example, after he won the R nomination Trump did not hold a one single rally in California. Do you think that if the popular vote mattered that Trump would completely ignore the most populous state in the country that has 12% of the US population?

Then consider how many voters in many states didn't bother to vote because they felt their vote didn't matter in states that were solidly red or blue. For example, voters in West Virginia who didn't bother to vote for
Trump because they knew he'd win there or voters in California who didn't vote for Hillary.

Assuming that campaigns or vote totals would be the same without the electoral college is very ignorant.

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Response to foia (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 11:43 AM

13. The popular vote has never determined

The presidency. Nor should it. Also, states have an obligation to the voters if their state. It doesn’t matter in Alabama who California gives their electoral votes to. To pin your electoral votes on the national tally is a work around on how the electoral college works. The lefties KNOW they cannot change the constitution or how the presidential election is determined, so they are going to be sneaky.

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Response to foia (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 01:58 AM

3. When Trump wins the popular Vote this time

They will pull that nonsense

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Response to foia (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 11:06 AM

9. That ripping sound you hear

is another part of the constitution being torn, so that the Marxist left can completely run your lives.

If this passes SCOTUS muster- 30-35 states will not even have a POTUS campaigning in them and their voices will be silenced!

I remember Shumer crying about the Tyranny of the majority, just until they can find a way to get the majority!

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