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Thu Feb 13, 2020, 04:12 PM

Trump engaged in witness retaliation. That's a crime

(CNN) — In the aftermath of his recent acquittal in the Senate impeachment trial, President Donald Trump is on the payback warpath. His actions range from the disgraceful use of the Justice Department (with an eager assist from Attorney General William Barr) as a blunt instrument to protect his political allies and to target his perceived opponents to the obvious witness retaliation against Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, a former top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council, who served as a key impeachment witness, and his twin brother, Lt. Col. Yevgeny Vindman (a National Security Council attorney who did not testify).

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/12/opinions/trump-vindman-criminal-witness-retaliation-cross-exam-honig/index.html


(e) Whoever knowingly, with the intent to retaliate, takes any action harmful to any person, including interference with the lawful employment or livelihood of any person, for providing to a law enforcement officer any truthful information relating to the commission or possible commission of any Federal offense, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1513

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Response to Sullivan (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 04:19 PM

1. No, it's an opinion.

Opinion by Elie Honig

It's even stated as such in his byline. It's his opinion, which is his disagreeing with Turleys opinion.

I mean, it's right there in the Op Ed.

Should he be convicted of it; THEN it would be a crime.

But maybe they can try another article of impeachment and try again.

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Response to Steelydamned (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 04:31 PM

3. Opinions they like are facts....

or that is how Trevor explains it......

If you believe the opinion writer, that is a fact.



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Response to Sullivan (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 04:30 PM

2. Vindman was not a witness to anything. He had no direct testimony.

He is, however, subject to numerous articles under the UCMJ.

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Response to Sullivan (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 04:31 PM

4. Vindman believes that his opinion on foreign policy supersedes the president's.

It doesn't. He doesn't know his job - which is grounds for being fired.

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Response to Sullivan (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 04:41 PM

5. Vindman committed insubordination so he can't claim witness retaliation

Also, his firing came after Trump was acquitted.

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Response to Zuckerberg Hater (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:22 AM

15. It being after the fact is what would make it retaliation

as opposed to intimidation or interference.

In this case it was neither. It was simply removing someone who is at best incompetent and more likely criminal.

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Response to Sullivan (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 04:57 PM

6. Both Vindman' s are active duty army officers

They are reassigned by the Army to their normal military jobs.

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Response to Sullivan (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:03 PM

7. Vindman got kicked out of the White House but was reassigned.

That leaker still has a job.

So what ?

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:25 PM

8. They are mad their spies are out at the White House.

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Response to DDKick (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:27 PM

9. Yep.

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Response to Sullivan (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:50 PM

10. LOL keep reaching for that rainbow Champ

Trump as CinC has absolute right to remove from his NSC ANYONE he chooses and you lot cant do one fucking thing about it except pout.

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Response to Sullivan (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 06:07 PM

11. He also shot the sheriff

But not the deputy

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Response to CornFed (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 08:21 PM

13. I admit it, I shot the deputy

I also shot the deputy's dog.....and I shot Deputy Dog

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Response to Crazy D (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 11:11 PM

14. Well, just don't engage in any witness retaliation

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Response to Sullivan (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 08:18 PM

12. What an ignorant post.

Not a personal attack DUmp alert troops but what reality is and has been explained.

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Response to Sullivan (Original post)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:29 AM

16. BTW - when did Vindman speak to a law enforcement officer?

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Response to Sullivan (Original post)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:32 AM

17. As is destroying gubmint records (e.g. emails) subject to subpoena!

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