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Tue May 12, 2020, 10:31 AM

OBAMAGATE!




If I were a betting man I’d say Trump has a bunch of evidence on his desk

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Reply OBAMAGATE! (Original post)
Gunslinger201 May 12 OP
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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 10:36 AM

1. I dont see much happening

If this is the BIBLICAL takedown of the deep state we’ve been misled

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 10:40 AM

2. The big eye opener is how hostile they were to Flynn because he wanted to pivot to China vs Russia

Is that really what it’s been about the whole time? China?

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Response to Let it go (Reply #2)

Tue May 12, 2020, 10:43 AM

4. I have also heard Flynn disagreed on Afghanistan

And he knows Obama’s Iran deal was shit

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #4)

Tue May 12, 2020, 10:51 AM

5. And it is...

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 10:42 AM

3. if i were a betting man i'd say that trump had a bunch of "evidence"

on obama's birth certificate and on the central park 5. trump has a long history of jumping to conclusions unsupported by facts.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #3)

Tue May 12, 2020, 11:27 AM

8. Can't help noticing how you left Hilliary off the birther thing.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #8)

Tue May 12, 2020, 11:40 AM

10. sorry bfox

i really like to provide peer reviewed posts with plenty of footnotes so that your colleagues can pull a quick swarm and hide.

if i had cared to extend my reply to 'slinger's q wacky post a more logical direction would be the many more instances of the conspiracy theorist in chief claiming to have evidence of things that just ain't so.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #10)

Tue May 12, 2020, 05:49 PM

11. LOL

At least my keyboard has shift keys.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 11:17 AM

6. Is this evidence still on his desk?

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Response to LavenderGirl (Reply #6)

Tue May 12, 2020, 11:27 AM

9. .

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 11:25 AM

7. Trevor will be along any minute to "explain" that it never happened.

How does he know? He just knows.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #7)

Tue May 12, 2020, 09:12 PM

12. If something is very far fetched

and there is zero evidence its true then the real odds of it being true are one in ten thousand. My strategy is to just declare it a lie every time. I'm willing to be wrong one time in 10,000 to be right all those other times. That's how I know.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #12)

Tue May 12, 2020, 09:26 PM

13. Oh sure, like Russian collusion and Ukraine.

No evidence.

Now in the case of Obamagate, there are mountains of evidence.But I'm sure you'll say the opposite. That's how we all know what the truth is, it's the opposite of whatever you post.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #13)

Tue May 12, 2020, 09:38 PM

14. I'm not sure what is meant by Obamagate.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #14)

Tue May 12, 2020, 09:43 PM

15. Then you are very uninformed.

Have you heard anything about the Flynn case? It's been in all the news outlets.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #15)

Tue May 12, 2020, 09:54 PM

16. Quite a bit.

Instead of making it about me why don't you define Obamagate and provide a summary of the mountains of evidence?

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Response to Trevor (Reply #16)

Tue May 12, 2020, 10:16 PM

17. The Flynn case IS Obamagate.

At least part of it.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #17)

Tue May 12, 2020, 10:55 PM

18. Can't specify?

I know why. There was nothing wrong with the Flynn case. What did Obama gate with it?

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Response to Trevor (Reply #18)

Wed May 13, 2020, 09:36 AM

19. Oh for fuck's sake

I'm not going to post links that have already been posted in this forum which immediately claim are false without even reading the headline. Do yourself a favor, look at the fox news website. There are currently at least 4 stories clearly pointing out what BOgate is.

You won't do this, because that would mean you'd have to step out of perpetual state of ignorant denial. This is why you are horrible for this forum. You don't want to debate, you just want to be that toddler who stands there and repeats "uh uhhhh, uh uhhhh..."

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #19)

Wed May 13, 2020, 09:39 AM

20. BOOM

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #20)

Wed May 13, 2020, 09:50 AM

21. I'd put Trevor on ignore if he wasn't so entertaining.

I swear he's the bastard child of Baghdad Bob.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #19)

Wed May 13, 2020, 07:39 PM

22. Totally wrong about me.

I do my best to keep the discussion centered on facts and logic. RWs don't compete with those. They just insult again, like you just did. I think you sank to that because you have no factual answers.

I read the links provided to me with an open mind.

I gladly googled up four Fox stories on Obamagate and not a single one had anything specific. They might say General Flynn was entrapped but don't explain how. Even Trump, who made all this up, couldn't explain it. "President Trump was asked to Monday afternoon and was unable to explain it, except to tell a reporter, You know what the crime is, the crime is very obvious to everybody. This is the kind of answer you are giving me.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #22)

Wed May 13, 2020, 07:50 PM

23. Totally wrong about yourself

Lefty media can come up with not a single detail as to why Flynns case should not be dropped.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #23)

Wed May 13, 2020, 11:16 PM

27. First off, there has to be a case why it WOULD be dropped.

There is already a case for why it should proceed - a guilty plea.

I keep a close eye on myself. You have endless chances to prove me wrong.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #27)

Wed May 13, 2020, 11:23 PM

28. And that case has been deemed bogus.

Last edited Thu May 14, 2020, 07:51 AM - Edit history (1)

Flynn did nothing wrong. What was wrong was the BO scum listening in on his legitimate phone calls.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #28)

Thu May 14, 2020, 12:13 AM

30. All calls to the Russian ambassador are monitored.

If this was a legitimate phone call why did they have to tell so many lies about it?

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Response to Trevor (Reply #30)

Thu May 14, 2020, 07:52 AM

32. Monitored by the outgoing administration and political opposition?

Link it up.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #32)

Thu May 14, 2020, 08:06 AM

36. Monitored by career intelligence professionals.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #36)

Thu May 14, 2020, 08:44 AM

38. There's no precedent for doing that.

Trump policy at that point was none of their business. If they had Flynn unmasked for political reasons it was a felony.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #38)

Thu May 14, 2020, 09:10 AM

44. There is plenty of precedent for monitoring the Russian ambassador.

It wasn't Trump policy yet. They unmasked because there was a threat to national security.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #44)

Thu May 14, 2020, 09:12 AM

46. There is no precedent for the outgoing administration legally spying on the incoming

administration's foreign policy planning prior to taking office.

Prove me wrong!

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #46)

Thu May 14, 2020, 09:15 AM

48. It wasn't spying.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #48)

Thu May 14, 2020, 10:07 AM

51. They listened in on phone calls, thus surveillance, thus espionage, thus spying.

They are all the same thing.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #36)

Thu May 14, 2020, 10:18 AM

53. So why were BO political operatives requesting the unmasking?

Operatives having no connection to intelligence.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #53)

Thu May 14, 2020, 08:56 PM

54. Who were these?

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Response to Trevor (Reply #54)

Thu May 14, 2020, 09:26 PM

59. Didn't you see the list?

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Response to Trevor (Reply #54)

Thu May 14, 2020, 09:32 PM

61. Among the list are

6 people from the treasury dept., a couple ambassadors, and a couple political aides. Tell me these people are intel professionals.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #54)

Thu May 14, 2020, 09:39 PM

63. List doesn't say who did what.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #30)

Thu May 14, 2020, 07:53 AM

33. Define "so many lies"

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #33)

Thu May 14, 2020, 08:07 AM

37. They lied to the Washington Post, senior White House officials and the FBI.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #37)

Thu May 14, 2020, 08:45 AM

39. Can't specify?

Who is "they"? What were the lies? Who were the senior WH officials?

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #39)

Thu May 14, 2020, 09:04 AM

42. Flynn and others that answered for him. They claimed it was just a courtesy call and sanctions

weren't discussed. The vice president at least.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #42)

Thu May 14, 2020, 09:10 AM

45. There is NOTHING WRONG with planning foreign policy.

EVERY administration has done prior to taking office. OBAMA fucking did it! Your desperation is laughable.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #45)

Thu May 14, 2020, 09:14 AM

47. They could plan without undermining. Obama didn't undermine.

The judge doesn't think this is so funny.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #47)

Thu May 14, 2020, 10:09 AM

52. How did he attempt to change BO's foreign policy?

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #52)

Thu May 14, 2020, 08:59 PM

55. Asked and answered.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #55)

Thu May 14, 2020, 09:25 PM

58. Where?

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Response to Trevor (Reply #22)

Wed May 13, 2020, 08:21 PM

24. You won't watch these, but there's always hope that you want to educate yourself.

KT McFarland reveals how she and Michael Flynn were 'ambushed' as part of an FBI 'setup'
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6156330219001

KT McFarland: Barr right to drop Flynn prosecution Those who framed Flynn must be held accountable
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/kt-mcfarland-barr-right-to-drop-flynn-prosecution-those-who-framed-flynn-must-be-held-accountable

Judge Jeanine: The left's attempted coup d'tat exposed
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6155546873001

I know you'll there are no details in any of this, but that would only prove that I was right about you from the beginning.



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Response to bfox74 (Reply #24)

Thu May 14, 2020, 12:11 AM

29. I watched them.

Where are you getting the idea that I don't listen to your side?

Tape 1: The interview was a not an ambush. It was arranged from FBI headquarters with a phone call. There was no surprise. The FBI did not try to trick Flynn. They even pointed out misstatements from his interview and gave Flynn a chance to correct them. They didn't try to lull Flynn. Statement that the agents wanted to bring Trump to his knees is made with no evidence at all. Same with claims the agents were trying to cover something up. Nothing in there about Obama.

Tape 2: Still no explanation of how Flynn was supposedly framed. What evidence was false? Investigators didn't know for a fact there was no collusion. They had reasons to suspect there was. The Chinese weren't engaged in taking over the world. She admits she doesn't know but thinks there was a huge cover up. Again she has not idea what was being covered up. She somehow thinks it was a the highest levels, no evidence for that either. She says Flynn was set up but doesn't explain how this supposedly happened. Then she asks stupid questions about who knew what when she can't even spell out what the might have known. Then she tries to go after Biden too for what she claims is a "massive attack" against Trump. Despite the alleged size she has no evidence of a conspiracy. Obama is mentioned but not connected to any crime.

Tape 3: Judge Jeanine claims evidence but shares none. Tells outrageous lies. Like Obama buried bodies. What buried bodies? Discussed Obama but with lies. Nothing specific that Obama supposedly did, other than wild unsubstantiated claims.

There is no clear explanation of what Obamagate is there. I hope someday you'll be able to see through how these people fool you. Oh, and you are completely wrong about me.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #22)

Wed May 13, 2020, 08:23 PM

25. You post bullshit opinion as fact and then run away when cornered.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #22)

Wed May 13, 2020, 08:42 PM

26. Here's another one for you to ignore.

Tucker: Amoral creeps destroyed Michael Flynn's life and they should be punished
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6156476425001/?playlist_id=5198073478001

I know you have orders to immediately dismiss anything from Fox News, but I dare you to instead point out where Carlson is incorrect, and why.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #26)

Thu May 14, 2020, 12:30 AM

31. I don't have any orders.

Tucker alleges improper unmasking. That's ridiculous. The foreign policy of the United States was being undermined. There was a valid suspicion that the whole thing was one hand washing the other for election interference. Of course it was unmasked. I agree the leaking was illegal. Idea that Russia wanted Hillary to win is ridiculous. They hacked into her campaign manager's computer. The entire U.S. intelligence community determined Russia was out to help Trump. How can Fox News deny that? They can deny it because they know their followers will believe any lie they are told. Why do you even listen to these goofballs?

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Response to Trevor (Reply #31)

Thu May 14, 2020, 07:54 AM

34. The foreign policy of the United States was being undermined.

Link it up

And keep in mind that there is nothing wrong with the incoming administration to be discussing their foreign policy with foreign agents even if that policy differs from the current administration's.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #34)

Thu May 14, 2020, 08:03 AM

35. Russia interfered in our 2016 election.

Obama put sanctions on Russia for doing that, the obvious hope was to change Russian behavior. Flynn undermined Obama's efforts by calling the Russian ambassador and telling him not to worry because as soon as Trump got in it would all be over.

"In those December 2016 calls, Flynn undermined sanctions that President Barack Obama imposed as punishment for election meddling, and undercut the US position on a United Nations resolution about Israel, according to admissions Flynn made in his guilty plea".

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/examining-doj-filing-on-flynn-vs-testimony-of-key-officials/ar-BB13WwVG

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Response to Trevor (Reply #35)

Thu May 14, 2020, 08:52 AM

40. Obama foreign policy is of no concern to the incoming administration.

The outgoing administration has no business with the incoming administration's foreign policy planning. None whatsoever.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #40)

Thu May 14, 2020, 08:59 AM

41. Trump had to wait his turn.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #41)

Thu May 14, 2020, 09:07 AM

43. No sir! That could not be more wrong.

Trump, and every president before him in the history of the US, had the right and obligation to plan their foreign policy prior to taking office. Further, it is of no business whatsoever to the outgoing administration. They already had their shot at planning their foreign policy.

If this is what your desperate argument is based upon, give it up! You look like a fool.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #43)

Thu May 14, 2020, 09:20 AM

49. Undermining and planning are two different things.

Foreign policy is the business of the occupying administration.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #49)

Thu May 14, 2020, 10:04 AM

50. Yes, and being in contact with your foreign counterparts

is the business of the incoming administration.

Did Flynn attempt to make any deals that would have been ratified prior to him taking office? If so, link it up!

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #50)

Thu May 14, 2020, 09:17 PM

56. Asked and answered.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #56)

Thu May 14, 2020, 09:23 PM

57. Where?

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #57)

Thu May 14, 2020, 09:31 PM

60. #35

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #50)

Thu May 14, 2020, 09:44 PM

65. You keep going in circles.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #65)

Thu May 14, 2020, 10:14 PM

67. Not at all. You still haven't told me how Flann was able to control BO

and make him not enforce his own sanctions. How does one do that to a POTUS?

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #67)

Thu May 14, 2020, 10:49 PM

71. I explained that.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #71)

Thu May 14, 2020, 10:52 PM

73. You explained how Flynn was able to control Obama's sanctions?

I missed that.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #73)

Thu May 14, 2020, 10:56 PM

75. #64

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Response to Trevor (Reply #75)

Thu May 14, 2020, 10:58 PM

76. Nope, that says what, but doesn't explain how.

How was Flynn able to actually force BO to not enforce his sanctions?

In other words, how did Flynn convince BO to lift the sanctions?

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #76)

Thu May 14, 2020, 11:08 PM

77. He didn't

I didn't say he did. Flynn undermined them. Circles.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #77)

Thu May 14, 2020, 11:19 PM

78. Undermining means affecting change.

What did Flynn change?

And you claim I'm the one going in circles?

You giving the same non-answer.

Flynn every right in the world to talk to Russia, and any other foreign power, about what things will look like AFTER the Trump administration takes office. Every incoming administration since John Adams has done just that. It's the responsibility of the incoming administration to be prepared once they take over.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #35)

Thu May 14, 2020, 09:36 PM

62. How were the sanctions changed?

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #62)

Thu May 14, 2020, 09:42 PM

64. Russia was informed they could ignore them.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #64)

Thu May 14, 2020, 10:12 PM

66. From that very day in December?

How was Flynn going to make BO not enforce his own sanctions?

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #66)

Thu May 14, 2020, 10:48 PM

70. circles

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Response to Trevor (Reply #70)

Thu May 14, 2020, 10:54 PM

74. Obtuse triangles

Emphasis on obtuse

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Response to Trevor (Reply #64)

Thu May 14, 2020, 10:17 PM

68. By the way, if there was nothing wrong with the unmasking,

why did Biden feel the need to lie about it?

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #68)

Thu May 14, 2020, 10:48 PM

69. When did Biden lie about it?

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Response to Trevor (Reply #69)

Thu May 14, 2020, 10:51 PM

72. Sunday

He said he knew nothing about it, yet his name was on the request list.

He was also in the WH meeting when it was discussed.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/unmasking-list-raises-questions-over-bidens-claims-about-awareness-of-flynn-situation

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 05:56 PM

79. Obamagate suffers another significant, predictable blow

This bogus RWNJ conspiracy theory has fallen apart



A week ago, Republican senators released a list of Obama administration officials who had requested the unmasking of Michael Flynns name in intelligence reports. And it wasnt long before President Trumps allies picked up the ball and ran with it. Almost immediately, many of them began tying the unmaskings to the leaks of details of Flynns conversations with the Russian ambassador a situation that culminated in Flynn pleading guilty to lying to the FBI about the calls.

One crime is certain to have been committed, wrote conservative journalist John Solomon, an unmasked conversation between Flynn and Russias ambassador to Washington was leaked to at least two media outlets.

Fox News host Laura Ingraham added that the practice itself unmasking isnt illegal, but passing the info around for illicit purposes, leaking it to the press oh, yes, that is illegal. And we know that occurred here.....

In other words, breathless theories about how the unmaskings prove the Obama White House was involved in the leaks have crumbled at least based upon what we know now.

To be clear, not everyone who has objected to the unmaskings has tied them to the Kislyak calls like this. More discerning experts and pundits have acknowledged that the list provided to senators by Grenell included no such evidence and even acknowledged the likelihood that Flynns identity was never masked in the first place.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #79)

Thu May 21, 2020, 09:44 PM

81. First it was Burisma. Then it was Tara Reade. Then it was "Obamagate."

All bogus. All failed. What's next?

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 06:09 PM

80. NBC News-Flynn's name was never 'masked' in FBI report on phone call with Russian




In a blow to GOP efforts to create a cloud of scandal around so-called "unmasking," two sources familiar with the matter tell NBC News that then-National Security Advisor Michael Flynn's name was never redacted from the FBI intelligence report about his conversation with the Russian ambassador to the U.S.

Flynn has admitted lying to the FBI about a phone call with then Amb. Sergey Kislyak

That call with Kislyak was monitored by the FBI under a FISA warrant covering Kislyak, as is standard practice, current and former officials have said. Many former ambassadors and foreign officials working in the U.S. are monitored by the FBI as part of routine counterintelligence inquiries.

A former senior intelligence official explained that FBI reports based on FISA collection, unlike reports from the National Security Agency, generally do not "mask" the names of U.S. persons because the FBI is a domestic law enforcement agency and the conduct of Americans is part of its purview.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2020, 03:07 PM

82. No such thing as Obamagate: Steve Schmidt says Trumps latest distraction doomed to fail




Former Republican strategist Steve Schmidt explained why President Donald Trumps latest political stunt is doomed to fail.

Schmidt appeared Friday on MSNBCs Morning Joe, where he said Trump was trying to gin up an Obamagate scandal as a distraction from the rampant corruption in his own administration such as the $1 million donation by stock-dumping Sen. Kelly Loefflers husband to a pro-Trump super PAC.....

Just one thing, quickly, about Obamagate, which, of course, there is no such thing, Schmidt said. This was the cleanest administration in our lifetimes. There was no one indicted in the Obama administration for eight years. Nobody, zero people, so there is no such thing as Obamagate it doesnt exist. It is a figment of the fever swamps of right-wing media.

Theres Obamas gate I saw a picture on the internet of the gate in front of his house, Obamas gate, but there is no such thing as Obamagate as a scandal, he added. Doesnt exist. I dont think the American people are going to buy it from the most corrupt president, running the most corrupt regime in American history.

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Mon May 25, 2020, 09:59 AM

83. "A slogan searching for a scandal"

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