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Mon Sep 29, 2014, 01:02 PM

Following loss of fingerprints, DC asks gun owners to re-register

http://www.guns.com/2014/09/29/following-loss-of-fingerprints-dc-asks-gun-owners-to-re-register-video/

The Washington Metropolitan Police Department, after losing part of its electronic fingerprint database, is sending gun owners notice that they need to come by and give them again. In a story broken by Emily Miller at Fox 5 DC, although gun owners in the District already by law have to re-register both themselves and their firearms every three years, this latest requirement from the city comes after the existing fingerprint data collected July 2012 to March 2013 has vanished. Each affected owner has to be reprinted as well as pay a $13 per gun registration fee, which, for some owners, can add up to hundreds of dollars.

“At the beginning of registration, I had to fingerprint,” D.C. gun owner Lenny Harrell explained. “Then I went down and had to re-fingerprint.” Harrell was not alone. According to documents obtained by Miller through multiple Freedom of Information Act requests, city officials sent out over 7,000 renewal notices, some of them nearly a year in advance. However, there has been generally low compliance with only 605 gun owners coming in so far.

The city has required registration of all shotguns and rifles since Sept. 1976 and, following the landmark Heller decision in 2008, handguns inside the district. Last December, D.C. instituted a regular renewal period for registrations, the first of its kind in the nation.

Gun owners that do not renew their registration within 90-days of the end of their specified window, will have their registration canceled, automatically making them in possession of illegal firearms. Each gun so possessed could land the owner up to a year in jail and $1000 in fines. More importantly, any grandfathered classes of guns not renewed within that allotted period will not be eligible to be registered again.

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Reply Following loss of fingerprints, DC asks gun owners to re-register (Original post)
Juan Rico Sep 2014 OP
waltervink Sep 2014 #1
Calista242 Oct 2014 #6
pavulon-lives Oct 2014 #10
Duke Lacrosse Oct 2014 #12
kc_tim Sep 2014 #2
Jack Burton Sep 2014 #3
Crazy D Sep 2014 #4
Zimm_Man_Fan Oct 2014 #18
DDKick Sep 2014 #5
Sam Oct 2014 #7
762Justice Oct 2014 #8
graham4anything4HC45 Oct 2014 #9
pavulon-lives Oct 2014 #11
Checkerboard Oct 2014 #13
saundersnorvell Oct 2014 #15
Duke Lacrosse Oct 2014 #14
Juan Rico Oct 2014 #16
graham4anything4HC45 Oct 2014 #17

Response to Juan Rico (Original post)

Mon Sep 29, 2014, 01:04 PM

1. The easiest solution is to simply not do it.

 

Claim you didn't get the notice, or you don't have any more guns. There's no way for anyone to know. Sounds like a non-issue to me.

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Response to waltervink (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 4, 2014, 12:08 AM

6. The judge will say "ignorance is no excuse for the law"

and your ass is going to jail. But these people are apparently complete idiots. How do you "lose" fingerprints and then make people pay more money because you fucked up?

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Response to Calista242 (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 5, 2014, 09:23 AM

10. build more jails

lots of new felons in CT these days. ignoring their new laws. funny thing is that this has actually reached a point where people ignore dem policy that could make them a felon.

guess people don't like being told to move to the back of the bus, especially people who pay for dem freeloader policy with the fica line.

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Response to Calista242 (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 5, 2014, 10:03 AM

12. Unless the notices are sent by certified mail, stating that you never received one...

Last edited Sun Oct 5, 2014, 10:34 AM - Edit history (1)

...is a perfectly viable legal defense. In fact it's air-tight. The District has to show proof of service.

ETA - The state of California, back in 2000, sent letters to several hundred people who had registered certain SKS rifles as "assault weapons", notifying them that the registrations were invalid pursuant to a lawsuit by Handgun Control, Inc.

The letters, which informed owners that the rifles would have to be destroyed or surrendered, were sent by regular mail.

AFAIK not a single person has been prosecuted for failing to comply with the order.

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Response to Juan Rico (Original post)

Mon Sep 29, 2014, 01:31 PM

2. Lucky people

Should never had done it in the first place.

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Response to Juan Rico (Original post)

Mon Sep 29, 2014, 01:34 PM

3. Do they have to provide a government issued picture ID?

that would be racist

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Response to Jack Burton (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 29, 2014, 01:35 PM

4. That only applies to gun owners

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Response to Jack Burton (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 5, 2014, 05:53 PM

18. LOL!

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Response to Juan Rico (Original post)

Mon Sep 29, 2014, 07:07 PM

5. Hmm just a few questions

Did they subcontract Network and Hardware support to the IRS? How do you lose half a database they can't run very far or fast? Could it have been hacked?

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Response to Juan Rico (Original post)

Sat Oct 4, 2014, 10:22 AM

7. And they wonder why we resist any new law.

See gun owners should not have registered in the first place. Following the law, jumping through all the grabbers idiotic (not to mention hypocritical) hoops and paying the fees to exercise a right just forces you to comply when they either negligently or intentionally fuck up.


Good enough for government work would get you fired from a kindergarteners lemonade stand.

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Response to Juan Rico (Original post)

Sun Oct 5, 2014, 08:38 AM

8. Lost them all

on a hunting trip in Wyoming. Sorry. No need to register anything anymore.

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Response to Juan Rico (Original post)

Sun Oct 5, 2014, 08:54 AM

9. cool

a little inconvience is no problem

at least that is what everyone in the world of Rush Limbaugh(gun owner and wearer) says about voting.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #9)

Sun Oct 5, 2014, 09:29 AM

11. great, a right is a right, every ballot

should run through NICS, just like a firearm. wouldn't be a democrat elected again based on the laws currently applied to 2nd.

don't worry, people will just ignore DC.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #9)

Sun Oct 5, 2014, 10:06 AM

13. Like getting an ID to vote

 

Don't like it? No problem, sit your ass at home on election day.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #9)

Sun Oct 5, 2014, 10:10 AM

15. Sounds EXACTLY like the voter ID contingent. .interesting bed partners...

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Response to Juan Rico (Original post)

Sun Oct 5, 2014, 10:07 AM

14. "Each affected owner has to be reprinted as well as pay a $13 per gun registration fee..."

That is severely messed up. Government screwed up, government should eat the cost (and spread the pain across all taxpayers.)

The re-fingerprinting should be provided free of charge to registrants, and proof that a fee was already paid should suffice in lieu of paying it again.

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Reply #14)

Sun Oct 5, 2014, 10:30 AM

16. If I were in DC that would cost me well over $1000.

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Reply #14)

Sun Oct 5, 2014, 04:44 PM

17. One saying they already voted in the past should be enough to vote next time

government in SCOTUS messed up big time two years ago. They should have made it contigent first to get a new formula, then to implement it, not other way around

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