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Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:06 PM

 

Would a Republican president let a wrongly jailed Marine sit in a Mexican jail for 7 months?

As Royce (R-CA) announced:

Last week I had a good and productive conversation with the Mexican Attorney General and am confident that a humanitarian release of Andrew will occur very soon so he can start getting better.

In addition, conservative champion Rep. Matt Salmon, (R-AZ) said that the Attorney General of Mexico told lawmakers that if they’re able to submit proof that Tahmooressi has PTSD, then they would release him from prison. He added that they had just sent Tahmooressi’s medical file and expert testimony to Mexican authorities, and now we wait for his release due to his serious medical conditions.

His detention has also led to some frustrations with the Obama administration, which many say has not done enough to press Mexico on Tahmooressi’s release.

“I am mystified that President Obama couldn’t find time, between negotiating with terrorists, to call our ally, the Mexican president, to appeal to him on behalf of our Marine,” Salmon said at .

“The fact is that Mexican citizens violate U.S. law on a regular and continuing basis, illegally crossing our southern border,” Salmon added. “Mexican officials respond by asking the U.S. for compassion and amnesty for their citizens to remain in the U.S. But frankly, compassion goes both ways.”

President Obama could have released our Marine months ago with a simple phone call, but has refused to do so. Thanks to these conservatives in the House, Andrew will finally return to his family.

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/marine-jailed-mexico-gets-happy-news/


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Response to starcat (Original post)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:08 PM

1. Wrongly jailed?

Here's a clue. A "humanitarian release" is not the same thing as "that guy is innocent".

Now here's the real question, starcat. Would you be thinking he was "wrongly jailed" if he wasn't white?

I think we all know the answer to that one.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:11 PM

2. That was quick, somebody already playing the racecard.

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:15 PM

5. Seems to be the only card some have. n/t

 

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Response to starcat (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:18 PM

7. Everything is about color,gender and sexuality,thats how libs see and judge stuff..

They can never just judge the person, everything else has to be taken into consideration first.

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Response to starcat (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:28 PM

10. Somebody tried to play the alert card.

Calling other posters racist, or strongly insinuating such things, has helped ruin DU. There is on redeeming value in such a tactic, in such posts. They are merely personal attacks, not discussion. Let's not let DI become DU2. We can have civil discussion without personal attacks here if we take a stand against them.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of Discussionist members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:21 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Unless the other poster is racist.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: We should not abide baseless accusations of racism on this site.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I don't agree with the poster here. It is a callout with racial overtones with no good reason.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to smokingman (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:30 PM

13. JKury 4 seems confused as to what "baseless" means

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Response to smokingman (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:33 PM

17. Well its apparent he played a race card but had enough buddies to keep it

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 07:13 PM

38. Guess what? Your previous posts will come back to haunt you.

And Starcat has a number of doozies in this regard.

It's not "playing the race card" to remember previous posts, and assume someone has not changed.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community


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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #38)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 07:15 PM

39. Still playing the race card i see.....

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:28 PM

11. Ah, the old, tired, worn-thin, "your're a raicst for critizing Ozero."

 

Doesn't work like it used to, eh, CD?

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Response to starcat (Reply #11)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 07:49 PM

41. I *DID* notice you've deleted some of your more obvious racist posts...

...trying to make them go away. (Like this one that everyone responded to.) So, I suppose one might say that calling out egregious and obvious cases *does* "work" like it used to.

And I will say, at least you have the decency to be embarrassed. Either that, or the intelligence to know that leaving up stuff like exposes your selective-outrage just a bit too well.


Also, it's fairly obvious to me that you don't actually give a damn about any Marine. They're just convenient pawns for your hyper partisan vomiting.

See, if you actually cared about Marines, you'd be far more outraged about Amir Hekmati, a former US Marine currently being held in Iran on a "death charge" for "spying". The Iranians forced him to "confess" to "treason" against Iran, by "writing video games that portrayed them in a bad light" - none of which they actually produced, as it was complete bullshit. (He'd become a software engineer.) But this doesn't matter to you, does it?

Obama is fair game. But do not go pretending you're all patriotic by invoking the Corps to attack him. And don't think you can escape your history of selectively choosing only black on white violence to be outraged about. It's especially rich that you pretend that Mexico's laws against bringing high powered weaponry into the country are illegitimate, given that you simultaneously complain about gun-walking programs like Fast and Furious.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #41)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 08:53 PM

42. You mad, bro?

 

Did getting called out on your childish name-calling make you mad?

Or are you mad because after a day of trying to dig up dirt on me (because, evidently, that's what passes for discussion in your world), you came up with a post I self-deleted? (rofl!)

Or maybe it's because Obama sucks, and everybody knows it, and all you're left to do is scream "racist" at everything that moves?

I don't know, but you sure seem mad.

Why are you so mad, bro?

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Response to starcat (Reply #42)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 09:08 PM

43. I've noticed that about you guys.

When somebody verbally kicks your ass, you say "you mad bro?" like you've accomplished something besides showing your ass for everyone to see.

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #43)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 09:18 PM

44. .

 

You consider someone calling someone else "RACIST!!1!" for criticizing dear leader an ass-kicking?

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Response to starcat (Reply #44)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 09:19 PM

45. No, I consider the fact

that he just owned the shit out of you in that post as ass-kickingly funny.

Thanks for being you. I don't need to turn on the TV to be amused.

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #45)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 09:24 PM

46. Please, post the excerpt of where that happened.

 

I must have missed it.

Of course, you can back up your claims, right?

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Response to starcat (Reply #46)

Tue Oct 7, 2014, 02:12 PM

48. Certainly.

I *DID* notice you've deleted some of your more obvious racist posts...

...trying to make them go away. (Like this one that everyone responded to.) So, I suppose one might say that calling out egregious and obvious cases *does* "work" like it used to.

And I will say, at least you have the decency to be embarrassed. Either that, or the intelligence to know that leaving up stuff like exposes your selective-outrage just a bit too well.

So why did you delete that post? Why are you deleting all your racist topics? What happened, did you finally realize you were exposing the real you for all to see?

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #48)

Tue Oct 7, 2014, 02:58 PM

49. That's it?

 

That's me getting my "ass kicked?"



That, to my memory, is the only thread I've self-deleted, and, not that I owe you any explanation, but I deleted that because I thought that story of a thug killing an innocent woman was current when I posted it, and it turns out to have been from a couple of years ago.

And I'm sorry to break it to you, but screaming "RACIST1!!1!" at people who take the absolute worst president ever to task for his lies and deceit and failures, who point out his clear disdain for the country he "leads," might have had a little play once upon a time, but that dog don't hunt no more. Sad that seems to be all you and CD have to offer. Sad and funny, actually. You guys have worn that race card so thin everyone can see through it. And that makes me smile, big.

But since you don't want to talk about the OP, or the topic of the thread, and instead want to deflect and hurl personal attacks (another leftist tactic in its final waning stage) let me ask you a question:

Why did you hide this post: http://discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=228168

and this one: http://discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=212382

and this one: http://discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=207347

and this one: http://discussionist.com/1015202802

and this one: http://discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=201349

and this one: http://discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=201065

and this one: http://discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=199982

and this one: http://discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=196551

and this one: http://discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=191408

and this one: http://discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=188065

and this one: http://discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=187790

And that just goes back to September 1.

Almost all of those in threads dealing with topics in which race is an aspect.

Why, then, tell us all, since you seem so interested in why someone would self-delete a post, did you self-delete those?

I'm sure no one will be holding their breath for you to respond.

Hypocrisy much?

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Response to starcat (Reply #49)

Wed Oct 8, 2014, 12:48 AM

50. Let's see:

I either decided that it was pointless to continue discussion, or decided that I was not going to allow a bunch of hypocritical babies alert stalk me and try to get me 86'd like Lazarus Long.

Your outdated post excuse is bullshit.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:32 PM

16. Wow a false accusation of Racism towards a poster, how unsurprising here

You should be ashamed

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:42 PM

20. WOW That can of racebait came so far out of left field

it passed through three time zones getting here.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 04:33 PM

37. Here's a clue. That card doesn't work anymore.

Here's a clue.

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Response to starcat (Original post)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:14 PM

3. My understanding is that

a Mexican "mental health expert" testified on his behalf and agreed that, yes, he IS suffering from PTSD.

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Response to starcat (Original post)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:14 PM

4. Marine

This kid is an idiot, which is why he is in jail.

But, I am tired of "Mexican Law" as applied to Americans when the corrupt, disgusting government of our southern neighbor is routinely incapable of securing its northern border and has an expectation that its citizens who are bent on escaping their cesspool of a nation be treated with a modicum of respect while here illegally.

Mexico is in serious danger of becoming a narco state on a scale so immense that Colombia will look like a joke in contrast. Almost three quarters of Mexican territory can already be construed to be so corrupt as to quality as narco lands. For the last five years Mexico has continued its steady decline into civil war. If we think we have a problem now, it will only get worse as we move forward.

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Response to nolens volens (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:22 PM

8. The kid made a wrong turn and you believe he should be in jail...Nice, very classy.

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:42 PM

19. If that's what you got from my post it's not surprising we have

such a disconnect in this nation....

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 01:03 PM

22. Wrong turn?



Didn't know where he was going?




I never said I believe he belongs in jail, I said he was in jail because he's an idiot.

His mother said he was headed south on I-5 to meet friends.

If you've never been on the I-5 the first image it's still pretty clear as to what's happening when you "miss" that last exit....it's also not the only indication you are coming to the end of I-5...he had to miss lots and lots of signs.

The second image is the hotel receipt indicating he had in fact been in Mexico before, and knew quite well how to get there.

I stand by my statement that he's an idiot. I never said he deserves jail, and certainly not 8 months in jail. But this is not a simple wrong turn in the middle of nowhere situation as some would have you believe.

You sir are the one who is exhibiting your class with your response to my words that you willfully misinterpreted.

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Response to nolens volens (Reply #22)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 01:50 PM

26. Oh i am sorry..He should be in jail cause he is an idiot..Nice,very classy..

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #26)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 02:33 PM

31. I am certainly able to be classier than you are at the moment.

You can willfully misrepresent my position, and make your inane retorts.

It doesn't change the reality that someone who had hours earlier checked into a hotel after crossing the border at the exact same spot returns later only to end with a sad tale of missing a turn and being arrested for an accident of navigation.

I will state once more as you appear unable to understand the written word, I did not and never have claimed that he SHOULD be in jail.

I merely stated he was an idiot for attempting to re-cross the border which he had crossed earlier but this time with weapons in the vehicle.

Perhaps in your world the definition of a genius is someone who crosses the border successfully and books a hotel room, and then later attempts to return to that same spot while violating the laws of the nation of entry. It would explain your comments.

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Response to nolens volens (Reply #31)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 02:35 PM

32. Methinks doth protest too much...

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #32)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 03:05 PM

33. Think whatever you want, your words betray you.

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Response to nolens volens (Reply #22)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 01:58 PM

27. Tahmooressi Had Crossed the Border There Several Times

It was no accident. Where are all the people who think that all laws should be obeyed? How did Tahmooressi think he was going to get back in the US with all those guns & ammo if he wasn't planning on unloading them south of the border? Maybe he was involved in Fast & Furious?

No. Andrew broke a hell of a law and it's hard to believe that it was not premeditated.

What's bewildering is that the right wing is all outraged about it.

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 01:30 PM

25. that same wrong turn near fallujah would have gotten his head removed

he broke mexican law.

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 02:06 PM

28. Wrong turn??

 

We're talking about the busiest border crossing in the world here......



...it's a little tough to miss.

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Response to starcat (Original post)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:16 PM

6. Hahaha, what a dumbass.

This person was not wrongly jailed. He was not pursuing any of his duties as a Maine when jailed. Lost or not, he attempted to drive across the border with weapons. Being a Marine is not a Get Out Of Being A Dumbass Free card.

Actually I can work up a little sympathy for him, but my amusement really comes when I see him become such a cause celebre on the right. Obama didn't ask this man to drive across the border with guns. Dude wasn't on the official business of the United States when he did so. Yet you are all OUTRAGED that he's still suffering the consequences of what he did. A clearer case of the ODS you cannot find.

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Response to JosephNobles (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 01:22 PM

24. You're right he should have worked for Obama's ATF then he could bring all the guns he wanted

To Mexico. And 0 would protect him then

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Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:30 PM

14. If he was black Obama and Holder would be obsessed with getting him released

With the amount of leverage we have with Mexico it is insane that this has drug out this long. unfortunately this man does not fit any of the Democratic special interest groups. The fact that he fought for his country is a negative for the left. Yes a Republican President would have made resolving this issue a priority and he would have been release long ago.

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Response to starcat (Original post)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:31 PM

15. It would be a damn shame had

he actually been "wrongly jailed", but he wasn't.

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Response to starcat (Original post)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:37 PM

18. You can only take guns into Mexico

if you're a gun runner preapproved by Holder's BATFE.

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Response to starcat (Original post)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:48 PM

21. interesting story about the case:

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-81017579/


Not so simplistic as evil Obama refuses to help.

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Response to starcat (Original post)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 01:19 PM

23. His entry into Mexico was no accident.

He had been there before via the same route. Plus, the signage is pretty clear. He was either up to no good or a total moron.

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Response to starcat (Original post)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 02:16 PM

29. I would be incredibly pissed if Obama stopped what he was doing

 

and tried to get some random dude out of Mexican jail. I would be pissed if a Republican president did it, also.

I do not think that trying to get one single American released from Mexican jail for breaking Mexican laws would be worth the potential damage to our relationship with Mexico, what little of it may remain. Can we all please agree that if a Mexican drove up with concealed guns, he should belong in an American jail even if the Mexican president says pretty please?

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Response to starcat (Original post)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 02:25 PM

30. From the reading I've done on this and the comments in this thread, Tahmooressi was not wrongly

jailed. He is an adult, he broke the law and now he has to pay the consequences. Serving in the military is not a get out of jail free card.

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Response to starcat (Original post)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 03:12 PM

34. Republican House member running for reelection in November criticizes the President.

Wow! Now there's an explosive news story!

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Response to starcat (Original post)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 03:37 PM

35. What a joke.

This dude isn't "wrongly" jailed. He's a dope at best and a willful participant in weapon dealing at worst.

Being a marine doesn't mean he should be getting special treatment. I love how the authoritarian right pound their chest about law and order unless it's one of their sacred cows. Then it should be let go.

Sucks for the guy but he should have known better.

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Response to starcat (Original post)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 03:54 PM

36. No, to be sure!

If we had a Teapublican president, we'd have been at war with Mexico for at least six months and the RNC would be preparing to auction off the most popular resorts.

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Mon Oct 6, 2014, 07:22 PM

40. A Republican president would provide false reasons for war...

Last edited Mon Oct 6, 2014, 09:04 PM - Edit history (1)

...in a State of the Union Address. Then he would send the Marine to that war to be wrongly killed or maimed for life.

We don't have to speculate. What I'm talking about was actually done by a Republican President named George W. Bush. There's no need to ask "Would a Republican President" do such a rotten thing. One did.

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Response to starcat (Original post)

Mon Oct 6, 2014, 09:29 PM

47. Uh, he was arrested. Cops don't make mistakes. He broke the law and is getting what he deserves.

He is lucky the cops didn't shoot him - always justified (don't want shot, obey everything 100% - you are a cop's slave when they stop and talk to you).

I am shocked that ANY conservative/rw'er would take the side of someone arrested. WTF?

I think we should start a gofundme page for the officers involved to show our solidarity with law enforcement. How many more stories of soldiers going bad
do we need to see before we take action? McVeigh, Fort Hood, and so on.

Bet he is not such a 'gentle giant vet' as the right wants you to think. I think I will spend the rest of the night researching his past -
there is NO excuse for what he did 'Oh, I didn't know where I was, I was just cruising around with a GUN in my car'.

No sympathy - something I have learned well here.

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