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Sat May 24, 2014, 09:46 AM

I will go out of my way to eat/stay in NO GUN restaurants/hotels in area & driving cross country

much like I try to only frequent no-cigarette hotels, restaurants, and I don't drink so I tend not to go to bars anyhow.

But I will drive 50 miles out of the way to find one
These places will get my money and my business, and I will recommend them to everyone.

Hey, (sidebar)
Did you hear the joke about the person who thought it would be a great idea to allow guns in places that serve booze, and then start an argument, who was better, Bob Gibson or Sandy Koufax (which as we all know,
is one of those there is no correct answer, both are). (Or would Batman defeat Superman, or would Adam West beat Christian Bale (my vote is ADAM!)

But sheesh, a bar with a Yankee and Red Sox fan or Yankee and Met fan (me a met fan), and a gun and booze...
and someone seriously thinks we should have guns allowed? And it isn't a joke or satire???

(and I agree to respect anyone who disagrees with me, this is my opinion only, not trying to convert anyone, this is one of those issues that no one will be converted on.)

But it's my money and my families money, and I can choose where and to whom I spend it on.

can't wait til one of these years I am back on the Pier in Santa Monica again, my new home away from home.

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Reply I will go out of my way to eat/stay in NO GUN restaurants/hotels in area & driving cross country (Original post)
graham4anything4HC45 May 2014 OP
EagleKeeper May 2014 #1
Juan Rico May 2014 #2
Qukid May 2014 #3
graham4anything4HC45 May 2014 #4
Crazy D May 2014 #5
Tovera May 2014 #9
graham4anything4HC45 May 2014 #23
Lard1965 May 2014 #16
Crazy D May 2014 #56
Verle Mann May 2014 #22
His Daughter May 2014 #34
Crazy D May 2014 #55
VOTE May 2014 #90
cowman_in_NV May 2014 #95
Crazy D May 2014 #96
Lazarus Long May 2014 #59
.30M1 May 2014 #69
Crazy D May 2014 #75
.30M1 May 2014 #67
Crazy D May 2014 #76
Juan Rico May 2014 #12
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bluedog294 May 2014 #52
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His Daughter May 2014 #24
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Early1900sLiberal May 2014 #31
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Early1900sLiberal May 2014 #32
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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 09:51 AM

1. You need a tee-shirt

That say's "I'm a walking no gun zone".

When you get the shirt, please post pics.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 09:52 AM

2. It's your money and your choice...which is as it should be.

Pro-choice...it's a good thing.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 09:57 AM

3. How many bullets do you own?

And, how is the campaign to buy up all the supply going?

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Response to Qukid (Reply #3)

Sat May 24, 2014, 10:00 AM

4. Nice to see you again. Hope all is going well with you.

(not that I know who you were) but I always appreciated the conversation there even though on guns we never agreed as you know, but almost everyone was truly respectful

which is something I like about this site having any/all POVs.

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Response to Qukid (Reply #3)

Sat May 24, 2014, 10:01 AM

5. That's his solution for guns

Buying all the ammo in the US?. Explains why I can't find .22 decent price.

If he hates guns then I'm posting what I'm taking to the range in 5 minutes just to piss him off





That should make him faint and be in a coma all weekend

Later....da range is calling

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Response to Crazy D (Reply #5)

Sat May 24, 2014, 10:06 AM

9. Graham's good people.

We've never agreed on gun issues, but his posts on the subject have always been respectful. Given how some folks (on either side of the matter) behave, that's worth a lot to me.

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Response to Tovera (Reply #9)

Sat May 24, 2014, 11:12 AM

23. thanks! and same back to you.

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Response to Crazy D (Reply #5)

Sat May 24, 2014, 10:27 AM

16. You racist

 

You said that gun would scare him because it is black, didn't you?

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Response to Lard1965 (Reply #16)

Sat May 24, 2014, 04:30 PM

56. Black is beautiful baby

I actually hate "pink" guns because they look toylike, and can't really get into the colored (not using a racial remark people, gun related) furniture fad on rifles right now

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Response to Crazy D (Reply #5)

Sat May 24, 2014, 10:56 AM

22. Why is the bolt closed? A responsible owner would have it open to show the weapon is unloaded.

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Response to Verle Mann (Reply #22)

Sat May 24, 2014, 12:20 PM

34. Not true

Its circumstantial and this one it could go either way

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Response to Verle Mann (Reply #22)

Sat May 24, 2014, 04:27 PM

55. I know it was empty when I took the photo

That was a "insurance" photo for my agent and I triple checked before I posed the picture, same as I've done for decades.

I always close the dust cover and check the hammer also.....and there are NEVER any rifles in my safe loaded. Only weapon loaded in my house will be my CCW weapon and its locked in a biosafe when I don't carry

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Response to Crazy D (Reply #55)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:35 PM

90. Question?

Crazy D, what is a biosafe?

I have a small safe in my college dorm room where I keep my gun when I'm in the room, sleeping, studying, et cetera.

When I'm home, like now, I keep my Glock in my parents gun safe.

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Response to VOTE (Reply #90)

Tue May 27, 2014, 07:35 PM

95. It's a safe that reads your fingerprints before it'll open.

 

Here's a picture of one.

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Response to VOTE (Reply #90)

Tue May 27, 2014, 07:53 PM

96. Cowman covered it

Biosafes are pricey but offer quicker access for a home defense pistol than a similar "press button" safe where you key in a combination.

Downside is they are battery dependent....they do offer a manual push button combination if the battery dies

If you have yours in a small safe at school your good to go unless you want or need quick access to the gun. I bought mine couple years ago when the house 2 doors down had people dealing drugs and I also had a relatives small child round once in a while babysitting....I wanted both quick access but safety from little fingers.

Now I just use the combination setup on mine, dealers are gone so I doubt I have to access it quick but still like to keep my CCW piece in it (my main pistol safe also doubles as a junk catcher ....good camouflage if you ask me )

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Response to Crazy D (Reply #5)

Sat May 24, 2014, 04:55 PM

59. I haven't seen paneling like that since the 70's

 

except maybe in cheap trailers.

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Response to Lazarus Long (Reply #59)

Sat May 24, 2014, 06:00 PM

69. I've seen it in $500,000+ homes.

Even the painted stuff...

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Response to Lazarus Long (Reply #59)

Sat May 24, 2014, 07:56 PM

75. That the best you got??

I like the paneling, my place my rules....you don't like it GET FUCKED

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Response to Crazy D (Reply #5)

Sat May 24, 2014, 05:56 PM

67. Took these two to the range today.



Been years since I got a chance to do a little clay shooting. First time shooting the A400 since I bought it and it's really easy to go through a box of shells in a hurry...

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Response to .30M1 (Reply #67)

Sat May 24, 2014, 07:59 PM

76. Shotguns and me never really clicked

I like putting little holes in targets, shotguns you have to change the targets too often.

Last one I had was a Mossberg 500, traded it for something years ago

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Response to Qukid (Reply #3)

Sat May 24, 2014, 10:16 AM

12. I once pointed out on DU that I had somewhere in the neighborhood of 30K rounds of ammunition,

and heads practically exploded.

And, how is the campaign to buy up all the supply going?

Well, I'm doing my part...

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Response to Juan Rico (Reply #12)

Sat May 24, 2014, 10:53 AM

21. have a nice stockpile myself

 

Prices and availability being what they are I try to buy it whenever I see a deal.
I have a hand loader for my 357 but it hasn't got to that point just yet hehe

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Response to Juan Rico (Reply #12)

Sat May 24, 2014, 09:47 PM

79. I don't have that much loaded

but I probably have the ability to reload that much - provided I re-use the brass a few times. Aside from that I'd guess I have 6 or 7 various bricks of 22.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 10:02 AM

6. Good for you

 

Its your choice.
Personally I don't thinl twice when I see someone carrying. I occasionally do myself.
I don't know of any bars that allow guns. With the exception of some rural bars where a hunter will occasionally wander in.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 10:03 AM

7. Or you can stay home and cook.

There's no safer place to eat than your house unless you don't get the meat completely cooked.

I can understand not wanting guns in bars. A big part of me is still wanting to outlaw liquor by the drink because it really does a whole lot more harm than good.

As for other places, a person with a gun can save your life when somebody decides to rob a place.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 10:05 AM

8. I have to be honest with you. I was not even aware that there was such a distinction as

gun and no gun restaurants. I travel a lot and eat in a lot of restaurants including many in the West and the South and I have never seen a gun in a restaurant. I realize this this is anecdotal. And perhaps some people were carrying concealed weapons.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 10:07 AM

10. Ummm okay, what is your point?

No one tells you you have to spend money on products you don't want. Except for Obamacare.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 10:08 AM

11. I think that is a good idea...

Voluntary activity based segregation is one way to maintain a civil society.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 10:20 AM

13. Good for you ..now place a sign in your front yard

your house is a no gun zone and your pretty wife is home alone.

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Response to sungauge (Reply #13)

Sat May 24, 2014, 12:05 PM

29. Jury Results

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your alert

Mail Message



On Sat May 24, 2014, 11:25 AM you sent an alert on the following post:

Good for you ..now place a sign in your front yard
http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=27422

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is uncivil, off-topic, offensive, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

creepy...very creepy

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of Discussionist members completed their review of this alert at Sat May 24, 2014, 12:00 PM, and voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Implication of a vague threat; please don't do that again poster...it's uncivil and antisocial. It also makes gun-owners and RKBA activists look like cretins.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The wife home alone thing is not cool. I understand the idea behind the post, but this is too personal.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Poster is trying to make a point about being defenseless. It is not a personal attack.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Creepy. Would that sign be for you sungauge?
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not creepy, just douchy. Not worth hiding it.

Thank you.

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Response to cilantro (Reply #29)

Sat May 24, 2014, 09:50 PM

80. I can't beleave someone actually alerted

on that. What's even more disturbing is how close the vote was.

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Response to sungauge (Reply #13)

Sat May 24, 2014, 05:09 PM

60. Is this DU2?

 

Can't believe that got flagged. He's making a point, sorry you disagree, deal with it.

I have been lurking a few days and just signed up, and these "juries" always seem full of Ex-DU members.

Liberals have thin skin.

"Published on Jan 14, 2014

Detroit Police Chief James Craig was interviewed by Steve Malzberg about the reduced crime rate in Detroit in 2013. Chief Craig attributes that, in part, to the fact that many Detroit citizens carry concealed weapons."




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Response to Wayne1 (Reply #60)

Sat May 24, 2014, 05:15 PM

62. Well I disagree that you disagree.

Thin skin be damned. That post was a veiled threat and should have been blocked. I hope they try that one again because the next one may not get a split jury like that. Welcome to Discussionist.

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Response to Miss Quay (Reply #62)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:27 PM

88. Threat my ass

That's BS

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Response to Dukota01 (Reply #88)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:31 PM

89. Sez you. nt

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Response to Miss Quay (Reply #89)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:35 PM

91. And most others posting in this thread

Obviously

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Response to Dukota01 (Reply #91)

Tue May 27, 2014, 02:09 PM

92. Three jurors agreed with me.

It was that close.

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Response to Miss Quay (Reply #92)

Wed May 28, 2014, 12:25 AM

99. Three

That's losing...right?

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Response to Dukota01 (Reply #99)

Wed May 28, 2014, 12:30 AM

100. Yep, coming in second place means YOU LOST!!!!!

 

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #100)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:30 AM

102. No didn't.

I did not alert and I was not on the jury, but I WILL alert on every post like that I see here. Good luck with the jury.

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Response to Miss Quay (Reply #102)

Wed May 28, 2014, 07:49 AM

106. I didn't mean you specifically,

 

I meant that coming in 2nd means that the person lost.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #100)

Wed May 28, 2014, 08:08 AM

107. But you get this nice participation trophy

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Response to Jack Burton (Reply #107)

Wed May 28, 2014, 11:36 AM

116. Hey thanks!

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Response to Wayne1 (Reply #60)

Mon May 26, 2014, 08:46 AM

82. whoooaaah - he likes guns?

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he must be rascist

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 10:23 AM

14. Do they have an app for that?

Finding gun free establishments.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 10:26 AM

15. I go out of my way to avoid them.

 

When I do walk up to the door and see the "We are anti-American bastards who do not support The Constitution" sign, I usually stick my head inside the door and tell them if they ever want to act like Americans and support The Constitution, I will be back.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 10:28 AM

17. Good for you.

 

Choice, what a wonderful thing we have in this country.
I choose to carry a gun when I go into the big city and I'll go out of my was to spend my money at businesses that welcome those of us that choose to carry.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 10:32 AM

18. Hey, thanks for the idea. I'm going to specifically ask each time I make

a reservation, about their gun policies. This should be fun, as I fully intend to make my position clear to each person with whom I speak. In fact, I might write some letters, asking for clarification in writing.

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Response to bisk (Reply #18)

Sat May 24, 2014, 03:56 PM

52. + 1

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 10:34 AM

19. That is your right.

Welcome Graham4Graham, a few of your fellow gun control caricatures have also signed up: Hoyt and Jpak. I'm sure Bill58 is somewhere around here as well.

At least you didn't try to hide it; I'll give you that.

We look forward to many extreme gun rants.

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Response to Hades (Reply #19)

Sat May 24, 2014, 10:40 AM

20. And don't forget Paladin, CreekDog, Secular Motion, and,

 

I'm quite sure, Apocalyspehow is around here some where.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 11:17 AM

24. I am glad you have that choice. Why do you persist in removing different choices from the rest of us

who have different preferences and limit the rights of those who disagree with you.

I for one cannot wait until billionaire nannies are on the ash heap of history

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 11:25 AM

25. It's interesting that the pro-gun side is picking up on the "freedom of choice" argument

clever

however, if one believes that then with Plan B and other methods of birth controlincluding you know what)
it should be open, available and legal 24/7/365 in every single place that wants freedom of choice on guns

and anyone should be able to stockpile Plan B and have it available without interference along with every concert hall, restaurant, bar and any place two people might meet or have a date at. (including Walmart across the country and other stores like it).

(sidebar to myself...am I nuts to bring birthcontrol into this thread? What was it my grandma used to tell me what not to argue...politics guns abortions LOL) (speaking of grandparents, I come from at least 3 generations on both sides where the immediate family no one had a gun). My grandfathers brother had a gun, and when that fateful week in Austria they were told they needed to leave NOW, that man took his gun and killed himself, deprieving me the opportunity to ever know him. The rest of the family made the treacherous journey to America at the time with no guns)

why does it seem like the states with the most openness to guns, are the states most restrictive to women?

Let's be equal all around if we are using the freedom of choice argument

also without a yes, it means no.

anyhow good to argue with all those I used to argue with
mutual respect does go a long way (after all, anyone of you could be my neighbor across the street, or the one bbq'ing the Memorial Day picnic or at the Lake or beach
That is what makes America great.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #25)

Sat May 24, 2014, 11:30 AM

26. Nevada is one of the most pro gun states and is very pro women's rights,

 

so your analogy that states with the laxest gun laws are the most restrictive on women's rights.
There are some states that fit your description, but for the most part, most gun rights states aren't anti women's rights states.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #25)

Sat May 24, 2014, 11:56 AM

27. Being liberal is being for more choices being available to everyone

I support gay rights, womens rights including wide distribution of both birth control and aborficants, and the choice of what to consume, including large soft drinks, and gun rights

To me Bloomberg and his sophicants are anything but liberal.

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #27)

Sat May 24, 2014, 12:11 PM

31. Except those choices you don't agree with.

 

In actuality, modern liberalism has nothing to do with liberty.

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Response to Early1900sLiberal (Reply #31)

Sat May 24, 2014, 12:31 PM

36. Then call me old school

I tend to carve my own path. Being black, I am expected to have certain views, values, and expectations. I don't buy into any of them, I make my own choices. Its one of the core values from my parents.

The ideologues and worshipers of personalities are not worthy of serious respect. Here or in the public square.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #25)

Sat May 24, 2014, 12:08 PM

30. I don't know if there is a corrolatin between and abortion and guns

in states. The south has never had a great record on either. I do know that my state has the highest gun ownership in the US, and the county health system in my county has pretty decent family planning. While both involve individual rights, one gets into tricky bio ethical questions.
One of the problems I have with both the left and right, is the inconsistent cafeteria approach to individual autonomy each have. I disagree with anarchists on most things, but I do agree with them on that.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 11:57 AM

28. and you have that right.

 

I will reward businesses with Pro-Constitutional policies.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 12:17 PM

33. I will never understand this mentality.

 

Worked out really well for that restaurant in NC that was just robbed at gun point because it had a 'no guns allowed' sign.

Worked out well for the victims at Sandy Hook.

And Colombine.

And Ft Hood (twice).

And the list goes on and on. What do all of these places have in common? Weapons are prohibited.

You think eventually people would catch on to the fact that the only people that aren't going to be armed in those places are the ones that follow the rules. People continue to choose stupidity over logic.

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Response to Early1900sLiberal (Reply #33)

Sat May 24, 2014, 12:47 PM

38. What do the shootings have in common? All had legal guns and bullets used for mass murder

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with no guns and bullets, no shootings

what all shootings have in common are guns and bullets

And the interesting fact about school shootings are- most are in rich areas and most are people not profiled as criminals

Guns after all almost never saved anyone. (yes there are token examples.)

and no gunslinger is faster than everyone. Someone is faster than they are, so gunslingers times are limited.

(i.e. what will happen when someone stands their ground with zimmy one day? It will be his last day wouldn't it?)

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #38)

Sat May 24, 2014, 03:39 PM

48. Guns after all never saved anyone.

 

That's a lie, on DU, you made the same claim and you were given, with links, example after example of ordinary citizens using their legally carried gun to save their life, also there are hundreds of newspaper accounts of homeowners using firearms to defend themselves and their loved ones.
Why do you persist in telling these lies?

BTW, a firearm saved my life numerous times.

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #48)

Sat May 24, 2014, 03:43 PM

49. because most of the links come from the NRA...let me say 95% of the time, okay. I will edit it.

and the NRA pays professional "suits" to come up with all these responses but common sense says it just is not so

btw, you should then also say I always answered your (and others) comebacks with the following-
a responsible gun owner in their home at 3am sleeping, would have their gun unable to be picked up in the time needed to stop the person already in the bedroom with a gun pointed at them.
because, well, a responsible gun owner who has other people (perhaps children?) in the home would not
leave a loaded gun lying around, they would have it secured.

going out now, will be back later on.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #49)

Sat May 24, 2014, 03:48 PM

50. Bullshit about the links coming from the NRA.

 

They came from YouTube, main stream newspapers. shall I post links to them?

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #50)

Sat May 24, 2014, 03:53 PM

51. I edited, apologize for the 100% all, I changed it to 95%.

but they are token examples out of who knows how many

offset by the accidental shootings resulting in injury or death of a person in their own home who end up hurting a relative without realizing who is coming in late at night or walking in their sleep or something

again, will try not to say never, will say 95%. Nothing is 100% except being born to die and taxes.

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Response to Early1900sLiberal (Reply #33)

Wed May 28, 2014, 07:32 AM

105. Oh Hush.

OP is "speaking to power" and "sticking it to the NRA fueled military industrial complex", and a few other super-awesome things that he is "empowered" to do. If you keep bringing reality into this, it really ruins the aura of the circular back patting ceremony that he hoped to create.

He has emerged as a superhero, a model of how things should be done, and has made his great sacrifice public, so that we all may know. After all that effort, it would be mean to let him know his flowing superhero cape is actually just a towel.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 12:21 PM

35. I would welcome a universal no-gun symbol

used not only at the restaurant or other public establishment, but
also in guides and online ratings and listings.

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Response to NoVestedInterest (Reply #35)

Sat May 24, 2014, 03:59 PM

53. Excellent idea!

You might want to start by contacting the Office of the CEO of the American Automobile Association (AAA)

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 12:41 PM

37. Who wants to eat around irrational folks who can't venture out without a gun?

 

Someone might pop a bag or something and send them into combat mode.

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Response to CTA102 (Reply #37)

Sat May 24, 2014, 03:25 PM

42. Yeah Hoyt, because that happens all the time.

 


Cite on incident where that's happened.
Oh, wait, I forgot, you don't do proof or cites, just conjecture.

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Response to CTA102 (Reply #37)

Sat May 24, 2014, 03:33 PM

45. Hey...

the other person called you by name. (not sure if it is or isn't)

if it is-
Hello! Nice to "see you" again.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #45)

Sat May 24, 2014, 09:14 PM

78. Good to see you. The gun loving right wingers are pretty thick over here.

 

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 02:40 PM

39. If your car broke down driving that extra 50

Miles to your gun free hotel, would you accept help from a gun owner?

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Response to Badsamm (Reply #39)

Sat May 24, 2014, 03:36 PM

47. What does someone helping have to do with a gun?

Long as the gun is not in view or in my face, why wouldn't I?

I would probably be scared if someone had a gun in view and wasn't a police person.

And I sure wouldn't want to have a gun of my own which could easily escalate things into my being left shot on the side of the road.
Me having a gun would not prevent that either and never does IMHO

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 03:05 PM

40. Please stop by! My partner and I own a cafe' and guns are banned there, unless you are LEO.

We serve breakfast and lunch. And our food is the best, made with local and organic products whenever possible. PM me and I will tell you where.

Bring a gun in my restaurant and I will politely ask you to put it back in your car or leave.

Only cops, cowards, and criminals carry guns in a free society.

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Response to Miss Quay (Reply #40)

Sat May 24, 2014, 03:20 PM

41. Cool!

I used to say (and still do) if all legal guns were banned, it would be easy to get rid of the illegal ones
except for LEO's while on active shifts.
(but the pro-gun people do not want to hear about that nor understand the reasoning.
It is the legal guns that prevent anything from changing, because it is impossible IMHO to stop guns while one has to waste time differentiating the two

(and militias in 2014 to me are National Guard and not that survivalist who doesn't want to pay taxes, and his friends in the news recently who I don't wish to name and give publicity too)


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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #41)

Sat May 24, 2014, 03:26 PM

43. Ahhhh, there it is.

 

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Response to Miss Quay (Reply #40)

Sat May 24, 2014, 03:32 PM

44. Those 3 things all sound the same.

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Response to Hades (Reply #44)

Sat May 24, 2014, 03:34 PM

46. That's because sometimes they are.

Sometimes.

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Response to Miss Quay (Reply #40)

Sat May 24, 2014, 05:15 PM

61. "Only cops, cowards, and criminals carry guns in a free society."

Lucky for you that no one believed that in 1776

Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of.


James Madison
Father of the Constitution
Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.
Federalist No. 46

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Response to Spookie Spook (Reply #61)

Sat May 24, 2014, 05:19 PM

63. Yeah, well this ain't 1776, comrade.

Good luck taking on the Blackhawks and drones in your militia. I will take the ballot box over the threats of bullets any day.

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Response to Miss Quay (Reply #63)

Sat May 24, 2014, 05:35 PM

65. +1

and the 2nd anyhow was a compromise that a lot of the founding fathers didn't want, but accepted to get the rest of it (like one has to compromise today too)

certainly the 2nd wasn't thought of in what it would be considered by ONE and only one bad SCOTUS ruling that sometime in the future, eventually a different court will overturn it

go quote the next President45 husband "sooner rather than later"

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #65)

Wed May 28, 2014, 06:50 AM

103. I just read this post by you from last Saturday

You said, "certainly the 2nd wasn't thought of in what it would be considered by ONE and only one bad SCOTUS ruling that sometime in the future, eventually a different court will overturn it".

I'm disturbed by this, most likely because I don't understand. How can the Supreme Court overturn a constitutional amendment? But "overturn" do you mean repeal?

I'm very unsure how the 2nd Amendment can be misinterpreted. It's pretty clearly written, not complicated at all.

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Response to VOTE (Reply #103)

Wed May 28, 2014, 07:14 AM

104. Heller was a ruling a few years ago that gave the 2nd the latest interpretation.

When the court changes, it can reinterpret the whole thing

and can clarify the words militia to mean national guard(state run) and not some guy on a ranch who is attempting to not pay taxes and calls in his friends and calls them a militia like happened recently
(has the same last name as Al from Married with Children). I refuse to dignify that person by naming him.

And the 2nd was written for Cannons not rifles or handguns, so any application to 2014 is just an interpretation anyhow.

And it doesn't have to be repealed, just reinterpreted.

all it takes is ONE justice to swing the court and be as persuasive as the legendary Sonia Sotomayor whom I already consider one of the greatest Justices ever. Although Elena Kagen is almost as great herself.

IMHO of course, feel free to disagree.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #104)

Wed May 28, 2014, 09:14 AM

111. I won't disagree with you, I'm trying to understand

So if the 2nd Amendment get re-interpreted, what happens next?

Let's say, hypothetically of course, that Justices Kagen and Sotomayor get a few other justices to re-interpret the 2nd Amendment and they say that individual American citizens do not have the right bear arms. What happens now?

Do guns currently owned by Americans suddenly make those very Americans outlaws? Are we supposed to turn our guns in to the government? What if we don't, will my grandmother go to jail?

Sorry, I think guns are ubiquitous and they are here to stay. Repeal or re-interpret the 2nd Amendment and you're looking at the last days of this country.

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Response to VOTE (Reply #111)

Wed May 28, 2014, 09:27 AM

112. That is a very good question, which I can't answer because...

like I just said on antoher thread, this issue is like Israel/Palestine/etc.

All answers are correct, all are wrong, and never shall the two sides meet.
I am sure there is an answer...there always are answers.

and of course there would be an amnesty period, a buy back period, etc.
it would only be unpeaceful if some made it that way.

It would be, I guess like the end of the war- where word is filtering through that war is over, but should a soldier who comes across someone on the other side believe it?
Who goes first?

those are indeed tough questions to answer.
And I don't envision a forceful takeover. I would say 99% would comply, for the simple reason, most people are not involved, nor would they risk their lives or job for something conceptual.

If most are responsible gun owners, then they are not plotting an overthrow of America, so why would they fight?
Why would they risk it? Would their whole family back a fight?

Very interesting question.

but America would survive the next morning. She always does.



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Response to Miss Quay (Reply #63)

Sat May 24, 2014, 07:05 PM

72. Remind me...

...how did the Bundy Ranch thing go? Oh that's right, the government backed off; couldn't bully them.

Occupy, however, the police had zero respect for the peaceful protesters who just sat on the ground while the kind officer walked down the line spraying them in the face with pepper spray.

Maybe one side should take some notes on how not to get abused by the police. Ever thought of showing up at a protest in body armor and taser resistant clothing with a face mask against spray and gas? The police wouldn't be able to push you around then. Or you can keep showing up at protests, signing "shiny happy people" while the police beat the crap out of you.

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Response to Hades (Reply #72)

Wed May 28, 2014, 11:35 AM

115. Body armror is so gauche. nt

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Response to Miss Quay (Reply #63)

Wed May 28, 2014, 10:59 AM

113. Blackhawks and drones and [should be "are"] not ["a"] guarantee

Last edited Wed May 28, 2014, 01:00 PM - Edit history (2)

look at Viet Nam, we did not exactly overwhelm them with our technology. You could argue all the contributing factors but it was not an overwhelming victory.

I don't think anyone could claim that Afghanistan is technically superior to us, nor can we claim overwhelming victory.

Unless a power is willing to literally carpet bomb a country and totally lay waste to it, it seems that a "militia" can take on overwhelmingly technically superior force.

edited, sorry, what i get for depending on spell check and not actually proofreading

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Response to darkwolf (Reply #113)

Wed May 28, 2014, 11:33 AM

114. Keep telling yourself that. nt

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Response to Miss Quay (Reply #114)

Wed May 28, 2014, 11:43 AM

117. He's telling the truth no matter how much you want to ridicule it.

 

I experienced first hand in Vietnam and how we were constantly outsmarted by an inferior force with inferior technology, it's not the weapons systems, but who is operating the weapons systems.

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #117)

Wed May 28, 2014, 11:51 AM

118. Sorry, but I think Its funny when you militia types think you are the Viet Cong.

Or the Taliban. Or bushwahckers. I mean we killed 2 million Vietnamese people. Very few Bushwhackers survived the Civil War.

Militias in the 21st century are so passe'.

At least you will all go down in blaze of glory.

Ballots over bullets for me.

Carry on, sir!

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Response to Miss Quay (Reply #118)

Wed May 28, 2014, 11:55 AM

119. Think what ever you want,

 

but I experienced it first hand. I know what a few people can do with a few rifles or homemade bombs can do to an enemy
Did you?

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #119)

Wed May 28, 2014, 12:12 PM

120. Thoughts create reality.

And I don't allow my thoughts to fantasize about violently taking on my government. I'd rather turn my energy and thoughts into something positive like helping people, growing a garden, or rescuing animals.

Its a free country.

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Response to Miss Quay (Reply #120)

Wed May 28, 2014, 12:17 PM

122. Did I ever say I wanted to take on my govt.?

 

If it ever came down to that point, then all is lost.
All I said was that I experienced first hand what a determined opposing, inferior force could do to a superior force.

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Response to Miss Quay (Reply #120)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:07 PM

124. When did I say anything about violently taking down the government?

I was merely point out the fallacy of your argument.

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Response to darkwolf (Reply #124)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:13 PM

125. Right here.

"Unless a power is willing to literally carpet bomb a country and totally lay waste to it, it seems that a "militia" can take on overwhelmingly technically superior force."

You think your militia can take on the government. You said so, right there.

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Response to Miss Quay (Reply #125)

Wed May 28, 2014, 02:10 PM

126. Just a few points....

1) I do not own a militia, nor am I a member of one.
2) Nowhere do I advocate that we SHOULD "take on the government".
3) I pointed out what was possible not what was desirable.

You stated "Good luck taking on the Blackhawks and drones in your militia" (by the way, with would have been a better word choice than in)

You implied that superior technological abilities render militias ineffective and obsolete. I merely supplied two recent examples of where militias were extremely effective against a vastly superior force. Basically, you were incorrect.

We have unarguably the most technologically advanced military system in the world and as you state "we killed 2 million Vietnamese people" and we lost.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 04:01 PM

54. Excellent post!

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 04:39 PM

57. Driving an extra 50 miles exacerbates climate change

Do you want that on your conscience?

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Response to HeartlessBastard (Reply #57)

Sat May 24, 2014, 06:01 PM

70. Good one.



He can make it up if he eats at my place, we recycle.

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Response to Miss Quay (Reply #70)

Sat May 24, 2014, 06:49 PM

71. There's still the matter of the Big Oil oligarchs

That extra 50 miles just makes them richer.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 04:39 PM

58. If I were a criminal, I'd do the same thing!

Great idea! Criminals everywhere (if they are smart) think the exact same way you do but for 100% polar opposite reasons. Gun free zones to a criminal seems like heaven...all guaranteed unarmed victims to choose from.

If you assume people are generally so unstable that they would automatically start murdering each other over baseball rivalries after a few drinks, why would a paper sign on the door saying "no guns" prevent those completely unstable people from bringing a gun in anyways?

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 05:19 PM

64. Hate to tell you this,

 

I routinely carry a licensed concealed firearm. I don't bother to read signs.

Its concealed.

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Response to Wayne1 (Reply #64)

Sat May 24, 2014, 05:53 PM

66. question

If states that have legally allowed open or concealed weapons law do businesses have right to not let them in their place of business.?

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Response to Wyntir (Reply #66)

Sun May 25, 2014, 10:08 AM

81. Well

All they can do is ask you to leave. If they have a sign up and you go in with a gun, you are breaking no laws. The ultimate worst thing that can happen is you refuse to leave with your gun and they can call the police and have you charged with trespassing once theyve asked you to leave.

In other words a "no guns" sign is worth about what the paper its written on...at most is dissuades law-abiding gun owners from giving the establishment their business....anyone even remotely criminal or dangerous (the people you are probably trying to avoid here) will simply ignore it.

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Response to ToBeIgnoredIsWinning (Reply #81)

Wed May 28, 2014, 08:42 AM

110. Not in Texas

If you are a CHL holder and are caught inside a prohibited area you can be charged with a felony possession charge. Texas has very strict laws concerning CC and mandates that prohibited places be clearly marked with proper state mandated signage.

http://www.burger.com/gunfaq08.htm

http://www.tabc.state.tx.us/laws/sign_requirements.asp

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sat May 24, 2014, 05:58 PM

68. Just a word about something earlier

like on DU, I will not alert on a pro-gun person just because they disagree with my anti-gun viewpoint, I never did and never will. And I can appreciate humor and know when something is not to be taken too seriously in the course of the longer conversation.

And if on a jury where that might happen, I almost all the time recuse myself from that jury, or vote I am not offended by the statement or something and vote to leave it. (I also attempt to read the whole thread to see where an alerted post came from.)

I didn't alert, nor will I.
Many know that to be true, just in case...

someone said liberals have thin skin...not this one in this regard.

and if not mistaken, I never had any member of the gun place over there on my jury blacklist.


I find the vast majority to argue admirably for the cause they believe in (and I am not kissing butt or anything.)
and I wish everyone in the USA would do so on all the subjects and wish no one would ignore anyone.

If one ignores, one doesn't hear and know what is going on.

And as a liberal, I have a sense of humor and satire and irony too.

(not that I also don't appreciate someone coming to defend me, don't get me wrong.)

and not that it will get me to change my view either. (LOL).



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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #68)

Sat May 24, 2014, 07:27 PM

73. I was the one who alerted on the post up above.

And not for a difference of opinion.

Good for you ..now place a sign in your front yard

your house is a no gun zone and your pretty wife is home alone.


If I see a similar post in the future, I will alert once again. The jury results may or may not be the same.

Such posts have no more place on Discussionist than guns have at Chipotle.





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Response to cilantro (Reply #73)

Sat May 24, 2014, 07:31 PM

74. I just wanted to make sure they didn't think I did.

not so early in the day of my being here.
that is all.

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Response to cilantro (Reply #73)

Sat May 24, 2014, 08:04 PM

77. The reason its pointless to post here. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

Feelings are a liberal's handicap. Enjoy DU2.

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Response to cilantro (Reply #73)

Mon May 26, 2014, 08:50 AM

83. for crying out loud

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Mon May 26, 2014, 09:16 AM

84. Who cares?

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Mon May 26, 2014, 11:44 AM

86. +1

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Mon May 26, 2014, 11:47 AM

87. I do almost the same thing


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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 07:15 PM

93. Very good for you.

I just don't eat at places that do not permit concealed weapons.

We both suffer the occasional loss of a favorite dish, but we get to stick to our convictions.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 07:17 PM

94. I hope you enjoy being blissfully ignorant of people who carry guns illegally

And of police officers, security people, and others who understand that most "NO GUNS" policies carry no legal weight.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 08:02 PM

97. I do pretty much the opposite. Won't eat anywhere that has posted a "No Gun" policy.

Been eating in restaurants and bars without posted gun policies for years without any problems. I have no doubt that there are CC permit patrons in there with me.

Seems to me that a posted "No Gun" policy is an invitation for trouble. I wanted to visit our new Toby Keith restaurant until I heard they posted a No Gun policy. They're located in an area of the county that gets more than its fair share of criminal and gang activity. Sorry, but I won't be going there as I don't want to get caught in the crossfire.

But, hey, that's just me.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 10:24 PM

98. Paranoia is interesting

My ex-wife was always afraid she'd be hit by meteorite.

For years I wondered why.

One thing I discovered is that people with irrational fears
have often done something underhanded to others,
which leaves them with a persistent worry
of retribution.

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Response to xevious (Reply #98)

Wed May 28, 2014, 08:30 AM

109. I sleep very well and not with a gun under my pillow.It would seem that...

those that sleep with a gun, have to sleep with one eye open and are not getting REM sleep.
Which then they may wake up cranky and in a bad mood, and that is a bad combination to go out with a legal gun in their jacket legally.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 12:40 AM

101. I can't stop laughing at this.

 

I just read the first couple of lines of your post and I'm rofling.

Do you think you can make something go away by posting a sign?

"I'm sorry, mr. mosquito, you'll have to move along, we have a posted no insect policy here."



I'm sorry to openly laugh at you, but it is such nonsense, what you're saying.

North Carolina restaurant with ‘no guns allowed’ sign robbed at gunpoint

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2636911/Restaurant-no-concealed-firearms-sign-robbed-three-pistol-wielding-thugs.html

A North Carolina restaurant that joined in with other restaurants large and small around the US in asking that customers not bring guns inside was robbed at gunpoint, a seemingly random crime that has further galvanized gun control opponents.

Police in Durham are searching for three men who donned masks and entered The Pit Authentic Barbecue through the building’s back door near closing time on Sunday. Employees were forced to lie on the floor and two were assaulted although not seriously hurt. How much money the robbers got away with was not immediately clear, although all of the employees and customers still dining at the time are unharmed, according to local outlets.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 08:24 AM

108. If your travels taake you through Texas,

then this site may assist you in your travels.

http://www.texas3006.com/signs.php

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 12:16 PM

121. Welcome to living in a free country.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 12:35 PM

123. Guns, like reproductive freedom, and protection of the 1%, are issues on which people will not

 

and do not change their views.

Issues like this are too basic to our psyches to be even discussable on a reasoning basis.
Facts mean nothing.
Statistics mean nothing.
It all comes down to how the individual FEELS, and feelings are the hardest things to change.

Just like old racists cannot be rehabilitated, but simply need to die off for their racism to disappear.

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