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Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:26 AM

IMHO-The money Wilson got from ABC & future money should be used for camera for cops

Perhaps if Former police officer, who thanks to the demands of the protesters handed in his resignation(or was fired, either way, no other officer would want to serve as his partner I would opine,) perhaps if Mr.Wilson would donate the money he got from ABC and those funds (should be a son of sam law wouldn't one think?) to help purchase live-cams for each officer, it would be a start. not to mention any future money from this shooting.


Cameras on at all times, should be IMHO manditory.
One reason I am not against cameras in the streets all over. If people call for transparency then there should be full transparency.



I would venture to think no one would think someone should make money this way, if that
were the case, it would lead to how many others wanting to imitate?
(NOTE- this is not a new issue for me- I have repeatedly called for the NON-naming of any person like the one who John Lennon is no longer here for, or the thrillperps of Boston or
the Bundy ranch twosome that ended up killing cops and other during a spree a few days later

If no one named the people, they would not get rich or infamy or whatever. There would not be copycats.

conversely the same a police or law enforcer should not get rich off of something like this as supposedly (according to his own words), he was doing his job, which pays him

This is my opinion, even if no one else agrees, and I respect your opinions pro and con.

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Reply IMHO-The money Wilson got from ABC & future money should be used for camera for cops (Original post)
graham4anything4HC45 Nov 2014 OP
MercATC Nov 2014 #1
graham4anything4HC45 Nov 2014 #2
MercATC Nov 2014 #3
Let it go Nov 2014 #6
graham4anything4HC45 Nov 2014 #9
MercATC Nov 2014 #13
New Deal Democrat Nov 2014 #7
graham4anything4HC45 Nov 2014 #11
New Deal Democrat Nov 2014 #14
fools_gold Nov 2014 #38
Letmypeoplevote Nov 2014 #26
Muddling Through Nov 2014 #29
HangingJuror Nov 2014 #57
762Justice Nov 2014 #8
Letmypeoplevote Nov 2014 #27
762Justice Nov 2014 #31
Letmypeoplevote Nov 2014 #43
762Justice Nov 2014 #78
Letmypeoplevote Nov 2014 #67
700WinMag Nov 2014 #80
Muddling Through Nov 2014 #33
Letmypeoplevote Nov 2014 #42
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700WinMag Nov 2014 #81
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smoke check Nov 2014 #45
the more you know Nov 2014 #51
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762Justice Nov 2014 #86
700WinMag Nov 2014 #87
762Justice Nov 2014 #88
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Muddling Through Dec 2014 #99
Letmypeoplevote Dec 2014 #105
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graham4anything4HC45 Nov 2014 #16
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Let it go Nov 2014 #12
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700WinMag Nov 2014 #83
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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:35 AM

1. He wasn't even tried. The money is his.

...and, since he's now completely unemployable, he's going to need it.

If he chooses to make a donation, that's great, but any money he receives is his to do with as he pleases.

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Response to MercATC (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:37 AM

2. He was ON SALARY and paid by the taxpayers. IMHO, legally,that money is not rightfully his

it is the taxpayers who pay his salary (or whomever pays his salary).
The event happened on the clock and Wilson himself said it was his normal carry-out his regular assigned tasked he is being paid for.

Matters little that he got himself fired. That was AFTER he did what he was paid for.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:42 AM

3. So are many people who are paid for interviews.

If somebody works at a factory that blows up and has a story that the media will pay for, should that person give the money to the company?

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Response to MercATC (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:47 AM

6. I guess Obama shouldn't take any speaking fees after he gets out of office.

And gets no funds for book deals. After all he was employed by us when he was President. Lol. What a joke!!!!

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Response to MercATC (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:48 AM

9. False situation, unless the person in your theory was the one who did it.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:52 AM

13. Did what?

Wilson wasn't even tried, much less found guilty of any wrongdoing.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:47 AM

7. He didn't get himself fired, he resigned.

You haven't been able to lynch him, now you want to shake him down. The grand jury has spoken. Get over it.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:50 AM

11. If he quit voluntarily, then certainly he could not file a suit against the Brown's in civil court

for his being fired.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:54 AM

14. You are on a roll today.

Go for it, this thread gets more epic with every reply.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:51 AM

38. That's exactly what I was going to say

and you beat me to it.

That's the thing with G4A, you get stream of conscientiousness. Not a lot of thought behind it, but it is genuinely his thinking. I find it very entertaining. And he is always civil about it. I enjoy his posts.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:27 AM

26. The Grand Jury process was flawed

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #26)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:31 AM

29. No, it wasn't.

Just be the result was not to your liking doesn't mean it was flawed.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #26)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 01:16 PM

57. only in the minds of the mentally disabled.

 

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:48 AM

8. He got fired?

When does "resigned" look like "fired" ?

Considering a grand jury decided not to charge him, and he chose to leave his job, he can keep any money he received for interviews for himself.

He will have to use quite a bit of it on lawyers, as the criminal he shot has a family that has already clearly demonstrated that they will do whatever they can to profit from their criminal son's demise. We have very clear evidence that Brown was a criminal, and a grand jury decided the cop was not a criminal.

You live in upside down world. (or are trolling again)

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:29 AM

27. The National Bar Association is seeking to revoke Wilson's license to be in law enforcement

There is no way that Wilson is going to work in law enforcement. Any city considering employing Wilson will have their insurance coverage not renewed.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:34 AM

31. The National Bar Association

can seek all sorts of things, I am sure.

If they can find some grounds in which to make that work, more power to them. I have never let myself be deluded into thinking attorneys were not the self aggrandizing types. I am sure they will pull out every dirty trick in the bag, even though a grand jury let the guy walk.

I am pretty sure Wilson is not that interested in law enforcement work after getting an attempted public drubbing for doing the right thing while working as a LEO.

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #31)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 11:38 AM

43. The National Bar Association has done some great work on the civil rights front

This is a strong organization full of some really strong attorneys

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #43)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 05:25 PM

78. Where are the ones

smart enough to know if you assault a cop, and go for his gun, that you have a pretty good chance of ending up dead?

I suppose those are the ones that are busy working.

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #31)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 01:42 PM

67. No city would hire Wilson after this case and his strange testimony before the grand jury

Any city hiring wilson would find their insurance coverage cancelled or not renewed

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #31)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 06:07 PM

80. Get this...

There is NO license to be a LEO and according to the article about this there is no mention of any license either.

Typical liberal made up fantasy...

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:36 AM

33. They will fail.

Wilson did nothing to make him unfit to serve as an LEO.

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Response to Muddling Through (Reply #33)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 11:37 AM

42. And yet Wilson resigned

Wilson's own attorney acknowledged that Wilson will never be in law enforcement again http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/ferguson-cop-darren-wilson-will-never-police-again-his-lawyer-n257511

Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Missouri, police officer who killed unarmed teen Michael Brown in August, setting off months of protests, will likely never be a law enforcement officer again, his lawyer said in an interview with NBC station KSDK.

"Realistically speaking, Darren will never be a police officer again, and he understands that," attorney Jim Towey said. "Going forward it will be school, and trying to carve out a new niche, new career, for he and his family."
No insurance company will ever insure a city that has Wilson on their police force.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #42)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 11:43 AM

44. Wilson resigned

Because there is no way he can effectively police in Ferguson with a target on his back.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #42)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 06:09 PM

81. Stop already.

Your bullshit about insurance is nothing more than bullshit.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #42)

Tue Dec 2, 2014, 10:38 AM

98. Here's a thought.

No matter how justified a shooting, it still devastates a man, and maybe Wilson now knows he never wants to be in a position to have to kill another human being..

Looting for the masses aside, do you even consider that your Thug Angel destroyed this mans life, and his heirs may owe him recompense... I see a very tasteless and dispicable set of people profiting from this tragedy, and they should shoulder a responsibility, and quit beating up old ladies for Tshirt money. And we wonder why Mike had no regard for human life, nor even his own, he is acoomdity now, and a symbol of shit parenting and a culture that believes only dead blacks matter. So very sad to see, I see it in my own culture and decry it there, you should really look to your own house LetMyPeopleLoot.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 11:51 AM

45. and they will get absolutely no where.

The only questions that the state Law Enforcement licensing commission in Missouri is going to maybe give a damn about is whether or not Officer Wilson lied or acted in a manner detrimental to law and order, or was convicted of a crime. There would have to be substantive proof that he did, and if a Grand Jury could not indict, then the licensing commission isn't going to remove his license, I promise you.

The second part is that for the licensing commission to even take the issue up, it would have to be as a result of a finding from the internal affairs department of the law enforcement organization for which he was employed, and they are unlikely to find any such need.

It is a pure fantasy that he will lose his license. The state licensing commission is not going to be impressed by National Bar Association, and they know it. They are just making sure they get their time in the cameras.

Darren Wilson did nothing wrong. He was left with no substantial choice but to fire on the man attacking him. I watched the man enough to know that it is something he did not want to have to do. He has had his good name and reputation besmirched by race hustlers and leftists like yourself who were out for one agenda or another. He has faced death threats. He has had his street name and town revealed by the New York Times for no good or honorable reason. Reasonable people can clearly see this. Insurance companies will not have any issues insuring him in the future.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 12:39 PM

51. The National Bar Association is a group of biased black folks pushing stupidity onto people like you

When the American Bar Association gives a shit, let us know.

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Response to the more you know (Reply #51)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 01:34 PM

62. You really like being wrong

The National Bar Association has done some important work on civil rights

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 01:19 PM

58. hahahahaha!! The National Bar Association?

 

Not to be confused with the ABA which has a legitimate voice.

The NBA is the legal wing of the New Black Panther Party.

Wilson will never have to return to Law Enforcement. He has already banked over a million dollars, not counting the upcoming book deal. He will be able to restart his life, no doubt.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 06:05 PM

79. None of what you just said is even remotely true.

The national bar association does not issue licenses to police officers.

In fact... There is no such license.

And... Certification criteria are set by individual states.

Insurance companies have no say in the issue of hiring or firing. Not even sure what insurance you are talking about because many cities are self insured.

Keep trying.

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Response to 700WinMag (Reply #79)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 06:32 PM

86. I know here,

there is a POST certification you must obtain, and keep up in order to remain a peace officer. In order to lose it, you have to really screw up. You would think if he really screwed up, they would have cut him loose from the job, or he would be charged.

Now that it has been made known that the National Bar Association has nothing to do with the American Bar Association, I looked them up. Sounds like they have an agenda that does not care what the facts are, or the grand jury's decisions are. Good luck to them.

I don't blame the guy a bit for quitting the force in Ferguson. It would be pretty stupid to stay working as a cop in a town where people think the violent, thieving criminal is the good guy, and the cop who had to kill him is the bad guy. Sounds like he is set for cash anyway, now, thanks to the pointless controversy.

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #86)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 06:48 PM

87. Yeah...

Most states have a "certification" that is needed to be a LEO. It appears that some do call it a license but it really is not a license. Regardless, the news story about the nat bar assoc. says nothing about trying to revoke Wilson's license to practice law enforcement in the state of Missouri. It appears to be more liberal fantasy than truth.

The association has the appearance of a "squeaky wheel". Nothing more than a lot of noise and foot stomping to get their way.

You are correct though about Wilson working in Ferguson. It is ridiculous that it needed to come to this. There is no reason he should be in this situation all for doing his job. What if this happened to doctors and they were judged like this and then run out of town to never work in their field again? For nothing more than doing what they had a "duty" to do.

I seriously just don't get what drives these people? From Mike Brown, to the looters and rioters and to those on here defending him. Hell, there are plenty around that still say it was not him that robbed the convenience store.

Why do we tolerate (as a society) such bad behavior?

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Response to 700WinMag (Reply #87)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 06:51 PM

88. Why?

Because if you call them out on it, they have a silly name for you.

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #88)

Mon Dec 1, 2014, 11:14 PM

90. The DA In this case raised money for Wilson

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #90)

Tue Dec 2, 2014, 10:26 AM

97. I have heard this story.

And I see it even made a "politics for non-critical thinkers" cartoon.

So, would you care to elaborate? Please show us, with evidence, that the prosecutor specifically raised money for Wilson's defense. Prosecutor helping raise money for a fallen officer's charity fund does not count, of course. Wilson is quite well and alive (Despite Brown's efforts)

Let's see this. Or do you just have yellow journalism cartoons as usual?

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #97)

Wed Dec 3, 2014, 08:56 PM

100. Darren Wilson Prosecutor Caught in Financial Conflict of Interest

Here are some facts for you to ignore or not be able to understand

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #90)

Tue Dec 2, 2014, 11:08 AM

99. Do you really believe this?

Your inability to accept the facts of this case are funny, but sad.

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Response to Muddling Through (Reply #99)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:02 AM

105. Really?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #105)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 07:11 AM

108. It does not matter how many times you repeat a lie.

It's still a lie.

Your inability to understand the facts of this case is sad.

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Response to USNRET1988 (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:00 AM

16. There are specific Son of Sam laws on the books for killings.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 12:51 PM

53. He resigned, yesterday. nt

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 01:08 PM

55. So, the money teachers made in October is not theirs?

The money those teachers were paid is theirs for the work they put in. The Wilson situation is no different. You are now an advocate of slavery. Congrats.

Oh. And don't confuse reasons for his resignation. He didn't resign due to "demands by the protesters". He resigned due to THREATS OF VIOLENCE to him and his family by the protesters.

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Response to Supercalifragilistic (Reply #55)

Tue Dec 2, 2014, 02:32 AM

93. In all fairness

all leftists advocate slavery to some degree it's just a matter of to whom and for what objective. Of course, the same is true for many on the right as well.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 2, 2014, 02:31 AM

92. He wasn't on duty

during TV interviews.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 07:56 AM

111. And your legal opinion is wrong

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:44 AM

4. Yeah you hate the guy for saving his own life.

You wish he would be a poverty stricken unemployable nothing living in a ditch.

I say he should keep every penny, if he received a penny. What godawful advice you give.

No cop wants this to happen to him, for some deranged crazy person on drugs to go after his gun and go after him.

Robbing a store and stopping traffic by walking in the middle of the street is not normal behavior any way you look at it. The rest of his behavior is frankly insane. Stop pretending Michael Brown was acting anything like a "good kid" on that day. There was something obviously wrong with him.

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Response to Let it go (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:47 AM

5. It is a legal/accountant/trade/union or non-union question.

BTW- why doesn't Wilson sue the Brown family? Take it to court and testify his life was ruined
by Brown and file a civil suit.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:51 AM

12. The Browns aren't exactly a deep pocket.

What lawyer will take that case?

They probably are living on donations. Their salaries couldn't begin to cover their lawyer fees.

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Response to Let it go (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:54 AM

15. Alan Dershowitz with Gerry Spence could be the Brown's attorney.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:07 AM

18. What do you think he could collect from the Browns?

How much could they possibly be worth?

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Response to Let it go (Reply #18)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:11 AM

19. Famous lawyers are like rock stars

Rock stars make most of their money from touring, not from old record deals or records.
The money was always in touring and concession goods.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:14 AM

20. Suing to sue is pointless.

Suing to collect from a deep pocket is what makes it worthwhile.

I guess if you want revenge you can attempt to bankrupt someone by outrageous lawyers fees alone, but that is just petty.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:22 AM

24. Even if you're correct, Wilson would get nothing.

Why would he sue?

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 06:15 PM

83. Good luck with that...

Alan has already made statements supporting Wilson and the prosecutor.

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Response to Let it go (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:30 AM

28. Are You kidding?

Have you heard of contingent fee cases? This case will have a number of good plaintiff firms willing to take this case

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #28)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:35 AM

32. For Wilson to sue the Brown family?

You only get the fee you can collect. How much can you collect from the Brown's? Are they planning to make mega bucks on a movie deal or something after his Mom went off on the grandmother for selling Mike Brown memorabilia? Well that would be a change in tune for sure.

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Response to Let it go (Reply #32)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:42 AM

35. I would go see a movie that was authorized by the Brown family. I would NOT see the

ones that Wilson authorized (same as I wouldn't give a penny to that director of anti-Obama movies D'Souza that he made prior to his being found guilty in a court of law)

If Wilson feels persecuted, than let him sue (of course, that will mean he would have to testify, wouldn't it???)

Americans are free to choose their movies based on whatever they wish.

And people sue all the time.

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Response to Let it go (Reply #32)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:44 AM

36. Sorry-I was talking about the Brown family suing Wilson which is a great case

There are no grounds for Wilson to sue the Brown family. Contingent fees cases depend on two things (i) high degree of successful outcome and (ii) the ability to collect. You never reach the second criterion in a case of Wilson suing the Brown family because there are no grounds for such a lawsuit. Wilson is a very stupid person who trouble keeping to his script in the grand jury case but he is not that stupid (Wilson would not do well under cross examination). You never even get to the ability to collect issue here because no attorney would sue the Brown family because they would have no chance of finding any liability

The Wilson family has Crump representing them. Crump forced the insurance company for Zimmerman's homeowners association to pay out the policy limits for the Martin family. I expect Crump will partner this case with other plaintiff firm who does these type of cases.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #36)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 12:00 PM

46. This isn't a neighborhood watch gone awry.

This is a case of a police officer engaging a felony suspect in an attempt to arrest said felony suspect. It's over. Crump will collect what money he can and be gone shortly. No cameras, no case, no Crump.

The DOJ, even Holder's DOJ, isn't going to touch this.

Hopefully the honorable man, Darren Wilson, will be able to find some place far away from the media spot light and build a life with his new wife.

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Response to smoke check (Reply #46)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 12:06 PM

47. I strongly disagree with your analysis and conclusions

This case will go to trial in large part because Wilson's testimony is simply too stupid to stand up on cross examination. Wilson will likely have to testify in a civil case and Wilson's claims that Michael Brown is a demon would not stand up on cross examination. This is a decent explanation of the flaws in the Ferguson grand jury process http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/11/27/sf-public-defender-jeff-adachi-explains-what-was-wrong-with-the-ferguson-grand-jury-decision-michael-brown-darren-wilson-testimony-san-francisco/

Among those was allowing local prosecutor Robert McCulloch, who has strong family connections to police, to supervise the presentation of evidence, Adachi said in a written statement. As a result, Adachi said the police investigation was rife with the following problems:

“Because it was a grand jury inquiry and not a trial, Wilson took the stand in secrecy and without benefit of a cross-examination. Prosecutors not only failed to probe his incredible testimony but frequently appeared to be bolstering his claim of self-defense. Transcripts reveal that witnesses whose accounts contradicted Wilson’s were rigorously questioned by prosecutors.

Dorian Johnson, the key witness who was standing next to Brown during the encounter, provided strong testimony that called into question Wilson’s claim that he was defending his life against a deranged aggressor. Johnson testified that Wilson, enraged that the young men did not obey his order to get on the sidewalk, threw his patrol car into reverse. While Wilson claimed Brown prevented him from opening his door, Johnson testified that the officer smacked them with the door after nearly hitting the pair. Johnson described the ensuing struggle as Wilson attempting to pull Brown through the car window by his neck and shirt, and Brown pulling away. Johnson never saw Brown reach for Wilson’s gun or punch the officer. Johnson testified that he watched a wounded Brown partially raise his hands and say, ‘I don’t have a gun’ before being fatally shot.

Wilson’s description of Brown as a ‘demon’ with superhuman strength and unremitting rage, and his description of the neighborhood as ‘hostile,’ illustrate implicit racial bias that taints use-of-force decisions. These biases surely contribute to the fact that African Americans are 21 times more likely to be shot by police than whites in the U.S., but the statement’s racial implications remained unexamined.

Prosecutors never asked Wilson why he did not attempt to drive away while Brown was allegedly reaching through his vehicle window or to reconcile the contradiction between his claim that Brown punched the left side of his face and the documented injuries which appear on his right side.Wilson, who is 6 feet 4 inches tall and 210 pounds, is never asked to explain why he ‘felt like a five-year-old holding on to Hulk Hogan’ during his struggle with Brown, who is Wilson’s height and 290 pounds.”
Adachi said he hopes more police departments will begin using technology, such as body cameras, to improve transparency and accountability.
The fact that so many people are accepting the concept that Wilson was justified because he believed that Michael Brown was a demon is sad. Wilson would not do well in a real trial.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #47)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 12:56 PM

54. You are trying to make something out of whole cloth here.

Among those was allowing local prosecutor Robert McCulloch, who has strong family connections to police, to supervise the presentation of evidence

This has no real relevance to the case at hand. If what you are arguing is true then almost every prosecutor in the country would have to recuse themselves from the Grand Jury, which doesn't seem to make sense.

Wilson took the stand in secrecy and without benefit of a cross-examination.

Incorrect. He took the stand without the benefit of his own attorney being present. Further he answered all questions from both the prosecutor and members of the Grand Jury.

Prosecutors not only failed to probe his incredible testimony but frequently appeared to be bolstering his claim of self-defense.

Forensic Evidence supports his testimony. Therefore it is credible. Appeared to be and were, are two entirely different things.

Transcripts reveal that witnesses whose accounts contradicted Wilson’s were rigorously questioned by prosecutors.

And the Grand Jury as well, don't forget that. The Grand Jury (any jury) as part of it's duty has to determine the credibility of the witnesses. There is no reason to assume that they did not do exactly that.

His description of the neighborhood as ‘hostile,’ illustrate implicit racial bias that taints use-of-force decisions.

Not alone it doesn't. It just means that Officer Wilson was aware that the neighborhood may be hostile to police presence. He may have had something there. Every law enforcement agency in this country is aware that some areas they patrol have locals may be hostile towards them. It is called situational awareness.

These biases surely contribute to the fact that African Americans are 21 times more likely to be shot by police than whites in the U.S., but the statement’s racial implications remained unexamined.

They also seem much more likely to be involved in illegal activity of one sort or another, and they also seem to be more likely to be aggressive when confronted by police than others. Facts don't occur in a vacuum. You are assigning a value to a fact that is not supposition not supported by available evidence.

Wilson, who is 6 feet 4 inches tall and 210 pounds, is never asked to explain why he ‘felt like a five-year-old holding on to Hulk Hogan’ during his struggle with Brown, who is Wilson’s height and 290 pounds.”

I wouldn't need to ask. I played high school football as 5'10" strong safety weighing about 180 pounds. I regularly engaged lineman and others who outweighed me by as much or more than the difference between Michael Brown and Officer Wilson. If I wasn't careful and let them hit me, well it hurt, bad. I simply didn't dare go toe to toe with them.

I have been engaged in at least two fights in my life, back then, with men about Michael Brown's size. Even back then I knew how to take a man down quick using leverage and pressure points to sort of take the fight out of a man without hurting him too much. I started on my feet and aware that the attack was coming in both cases. I would have had more luck chopping down a tree with my bare hands. They both landed punches on me that rattled my whole body. I got lucky in that one of them didn't really want to hurt me (at least not much) and the other I landed a lucky shot on the other one's nose and he didn't like the sight of his own blood. If either had been determined to cause serious harm to me, I would not have been able to do much about it.

Officer Wilson, was seated when Brown attacked into his patrol vehicle. The attack came as a surprise, from a poor angle for Officer Wilson to attempt any defense of himself, and in a seated position where he couldn't bring his own force to bear. I would have been in the same position, roughly unable to defend myself and struggling to maintain control of my weapon. A 300 lb. man is not something that is easy to tangle with.

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Response to smoke check (Reply #54)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 01:36 PM

64. Well done

but a waste on that one.

Thank you .

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #47)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 01:09 PM

56. Brown is a PROVEN liar

and the majority of his testimony is blatantly proven FALSE by physical evidence.

While struggling with Brown, Wilson is supposed to drive away? It's kind of hard to put a car in gear when both of your arms are engaged in defending yourself from an assault by a 290 lb person.

As in he did before the GJ, Wilson would do fine in a "real" trial. Because the story he told the day of, the day after and to the GJ is consistent with the physical evidence and that of credible witnesses' testimony.

The DoJ has all of the evidence and testimony available to them. Yet they have not and never will charge Wilson with anything because they know it would be waste of time and an embarrassment when they'd get their ass handed to them on a platter in court.

The Brown family MAY decide to file a civil suit if they can find a showboating attorney who wants some free press but all they will ever get out of it is publicity and not one thin dime from Wilson.

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Response to foia (Reply #56)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 01:43 PM

68. Brown never testified because he was murdered by Wilson

Wilson is not very bright and the claim that Michael Brown was a demon with superhuman powers would be fun to cross on

Do you believe that young African Americans have super human powers and are demons?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #68)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 04:26 PM

75. He meant to say Johnson

and Johnson was completely full of shit. Johnson told the GJ he saw bullets hit Brown in the back. There were no entrance holes in the back. Johnson said he was on the passenger side of the car, yet his bracelet is on the driver's side probably broken off by taking part in the assault. How do you think Johnson would do under cross examination in a trial?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #68)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 06:17 PM

84. News flash...

This just in...

Brown was not "murdered".

For more on this story please return to reality.

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Response to 700WinMag (Reply #84)

Mon Dec 1, 2014, 11:14 PM

91. Really?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #91)

Tue Dec 2, 2014, 07:43 AM

94. Using cartoons to attempt to prove

Your point.

Does not prove your point.

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Response to 700WinMag (Reply #94)

Tue Dec 2, 2014, 07:47 AM

95. actually, the point was made 100%. Each and every time.

Political cartoons have been in existence since before the constitution and the learned ones are always read

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #95)

Tue Dec 2, 2014, 08:40 AM

96. Ok...

So if you want to play it that way that's fine.

The point was made. There I said it for you.

However, reality is NOT a cartoon. So the point may have been made by the cartoon but the point and what is reality are clearly on separate ends of the spectrum of truth and fiction. Facts = truth and cartoons are used now when you have no facts to prove your point. So... There may be a point that you believe you have made but it does not = FACT.

I was trying to be nice but as usual you prove that you and others on here have no grasp for what is reality.

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Response to 700WinMag (Reply #94)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:01 AM

104. Really?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #104)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 07:51 AM

109. Yes.

Really.

Thank you for continuing to prove my point that libs won't let facts get in the way of their narrative.

Classic.

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Response to 700WinMag (Reply #84)

Wed Dec 3, 2014, 09:14 PM

102. Why don't you explain your theory to Nancy Grace

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #102)

Thu Dec 4, 2014, 08:10 AM

103. For the same reason...

That you do not explain your opinion to Rush Limbaugh...

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #68)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 07:57 AM

112. No he was not murdered mister Lawyer, show which duly constituted court found him guilty

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #47)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 02:34 PM

70. Do you ever tire of being painfully wrong on

 

Nearly every issue you post about? I am almost beginning to feel sorry for you.

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Response to Slayer (Reply #70)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:06 AM

106. Really?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #106)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 09:15 AM

114. Yes really.

 

It saddens me when those who are dull normal aren't aware of their station in life. I should feel compassion, but instead I see the danger in them. It is sad, very sad, that some can't see the bigger picture.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #36)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 01:23 PM

60. no case at all, it's over.

 

Go build your shrine to Mike Brown in your back yard right next to the Obama and Holder shrines.

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Response to HangingJuror (Reply #60)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 01:33 PM

61. Thank you for the laughs

I am happy to see what happens in the civil case

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #61)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 01:36 PM

63. I am happy to see what happens?

 

Is English your first language lol?

That's called mixing your tenses genius.

And the Civil Case will be a "whiff" for the Brown family as there is not only a 51% doubt as to a Wilson wrongdoing but a 0% doubt.

Get over it, move on to your next synthetic outrage.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 07:58 AM

113. Why dont the Looted and Burned store owners sue Browns family since his stepdad said burn them down?

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:02 AM

17. How much

was Mr. Wilson paid?

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Response to Doctor_R (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:32 AM

30. Reportedly mid-to-high six figures.

And by conservative estimate, he's also received about $500K in donations so far.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #30)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 11:00 AM

40. How much was donated to Zimmerman and how much of that money is left?

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #30)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 03:16 PM

73. By who's

"reporting?"

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Response to Doctor_R (Reply #73)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:26 PM

89. Just some stuff I saw on the internet.

Look around and you'll probably see it too. I don't know reliable the information is.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:26 AM

25. Most of that money will go to lawyers

Look at Zimmerman. He raised or was given a ton of money and went through that money like crazy. Wilson will have some significant legal fees even if the DOJ does not charge with him with civil rights case.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:39 AM

34. From where?

 

Why would he even need to hire an attorney?

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Response to MediterraneanMadMan (Reply #34)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:59 AM

39. Wilson will be sued by the Brown family and still face DOJ investigation

First, it seems clear to me that Wilson has spent a good portion of the $400,000 raised for him by the group led by St. Louis County DA on legal fees already. Wilson had a script that he was following for his grand jury testimony that he was allowed to recite (with some fumbles) without cross examination. From what I have seen, Wilson is not that bright and no doubt had a significant amount of coaching or woodsheding from his attorney (when lawyers coach a witness on testimony, it is referred to often as taking the client to the woodshed). I would not be surprised to see that a significant portion of the $400,000 raised by the group headed by the group led by the St. Louis DA has been used on legal fees already.

Second, Wilson is still being investigated by the DOJ. Even if the probability for charges from the DOJ are low, I expect that Wilson is still paying the same lawyers who coached him for the grand jury performance.

Third, Wilson will be sued by the Brown family. While the City of Ferguson's insurance company may defend Wilson, there will be conflicts between the insurance company and Wilson. Any defense of Wilson by the insurance company will be under what is called a "reservation of rights" letter and one of the insurance company's defenses may be to blame Wilson for this loss. Wilson should have his own counsel for part of all of this trial.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #39)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 11:12 AM

41. Naw

 

It is over with regards to all that. End of story. But I forgot about having to hire attorneys to go over contracts so there is that aspect, but of course that would be contingent on any more fees for speaking to the press.

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Response to MediterraneanMadMan (Reply #41)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 01:39 PM

66. You are wrong again

If nothing else, the family will sue Wilson just to force Wilson to tell his story in court under a real cross examination Wilson is not very smart and would do not do well under cross

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #66)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 04:12 PM

74. Heh

 

Yes, yes............because only the state got to ask him questions here....................maybe if he had a defense lawyer question him too things would have turned out differently...................heh...............he will not even be sued because the family has no money and since there is no chance of winning the only thing that could be gained by an attorney is publicity.................but civil suits do not have much exposure.....................it is over...................telos..............

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #66)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 04:34 PM

76. and if they do, and they fail to disprove self defense

by preponderance of the evidence, the Browns pay Wilson. That is Missouri law. I don't think Crump will take that chance. That is why there hasn't been a civil suit against Zimmerman, Florida has a similar law. Wyoming wouldn't allow it to be filed. That is why the family of a domestic abuser and would be kidnapper won't be suing the parents of a 15 year old hunter. (this was a defense of others case) In this case, the DA didn't bother with it.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #66)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 06:20 PM

85. You know how smart Wilson is...

How?

No. You do not know how smart Wilson is and the fact that you claim you do just shows how smart you are.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:46 AM

37. He'll have plenty

of unforeseen expenses that the money will need to go to. He'll have the expense of relocating and finding a new job. There may be education expenses involved, as well. He'll need every bit of that money to get back to some semblance of normalcy.



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Response to LuvPie (Reply #37)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 12:07 PM

48. Don't forget the legal fees

Wilson will be paying some significant legal fees for a while

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #48)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 12:13 PM

49. Legal fees should be paid by police dept.

union or otherwise as it occurred during active duty and in the course of his occupation.

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Response to LuvPie (Reply #49)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 01:37 PM

65. Fees may be paid by insurance carrier if there is no conflict of interest

Getting an insurance carrier to pay is more and more difficult now days and Wilson may want to have his own attorney in this case because the insurance carrier could seek to escape liability by going after Brown. At the very minimum, the insurance carrier may provide a defense to Wilson under a reservation of rights where the insurance company will be allowed to look for a way to deny coverage

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #65)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 02:40 PM

71. Hey Matlock

 

How many voter id laws have been let stand? I forget, Lol...... Your legal opinion isn't really worth much around here.

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Response to Slayer (Reply #71)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 03:15 PM

72. There has been no ruling on the merits by the 5th Cir. on the Texas law

The only opinion so far is whether the law could take effect for the 2014 election. There are findings of fact in the Texas case that will be hard to overturn on appeal according to Christian Adams (the idiot who advises True the Vote) http://www.discussionist.com/1015241769 It is not easy undoing strong findings of fact on appeal

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 12:17 PM

50. Why do that? This violent thug and his delusional defenders cost him his career. nt

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Response to OTSmithers (Reply #50)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 02:17 PM

69. Maybe Wilson should sue the Brown Family

 

The turmoil caused by both the "suicide by police" of their son, and the claims of the family that their son was an innocent, even though the proof was otherwise, caused great harm not only to the neighborhood but to officer Wilson himself.

Who are the real victims in this incident? Did the community really need to suffer due to the disrespect that one ADULT had for both the law and the people charged with enforcing the law.

And how much guidance, love and respect did the Brown family really give to their son growing up?

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Response to WritelyWrong (Reply #69)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 04:40 PM

77. That would make the family responsible for the actions of their adult son....

So probably not gonna happen. Sadly.

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Response to OTSmithers (Reply #77)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 06:11 PM

82. But they are responsible for their own actions.

 

Which have been extreme on occasion during this situation. They may have been trying to take financial advantage of the death of their son.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 12:49 PM

52. Hey, here is an alternative idea.

Maybe Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coilition and Al Sharton's Action Network should pay for the damn cameras.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 01:19 PM

59. I'm OK with him using it as his retirement nest-egg

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Wed Dec 3, 2014, 09:02 PM

101. i disagree. His money should be used to satisfy the judgement

should the family succeed in their up coming law suit.

You can't get blood out of a turnip after all.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:40 AM

107. I heard a powerful story at a town hall last night dealing with suing police officers

Last night a good friend held a town hall on Ferguson http://myemail.constantcontact.com/12-9-14---Fort-Bend-County-Town-Hall-Meeting---Getting-Criminal-Justice-Right--hosted-by-Rep--Ron-Reynolds.html?soid=1104274495285&aid=tCQJQTx3y90 One of the speakers was Mrs. Tolan whose son was shot by local policeman. Her story was amazing including selling her house to fund the lawsuit against a police officer and taking her case to the SCOTUS. The police database had the wrong license plate number in the system and showed that the Tolan's car was stolen. This was a clear police error. The police roughed up Mr. Tolan who is former professional baseball player and the started abusing Mrs. Tolan (a very nice lady who is only 5 foot 2 inches in heels) at which time her son, a promising minor league baseball player, got off the ground to tell the officer to stop hitting his mom and was shot three times. The Tolans sued and the local federal court and the 5th Cir. dismissed the case on the grounds of qualified immunity but the SCOTUS reversed in a per curium opinion.

I found this summary of the case last night http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/05/supreme-court-police-cant-brutalize-your-elderly-mother-or-shoot-you-when-youre-unarmed/361934/?single_page=true

Today’s hypothetical: Police officers come to your home at 2 a.m., insist (as a result of their own clerical error) that the car you’re driving is stolen property, order you to lie on your belly, slam your mother against a garage door, and then shoot you three times from 15 feet away when you protest. Is there some chance—some very slight chance—that their conduct violates a “clearly established” constitutional right?

The Supreme Court on Monday said “yes.” All nine justices agreed that a lower court that blew off the claim needs to go back and take a fresh look at the issue....

The Supreme Court, in a 9-0 opinion, said that the appeals court had put a thumb on the scales. “By failing to credit evidence that contradicted some of its key factual conclusions, the court improperly ‘weigh the evidence’ and resolved disputed issues in favor of” Sergeant Cotton—which the rules forbid.” (Justice Samuel Alito, by far the most pro-prosecution Justice on the Court, wrote separately to emphasize that the Court shouldn’t overturn decisions like this often, but even he agreed that in this case, “there are genuine issues of material fact and that this is a case in which summary judgment should not have been granted.”)...

The Court did not directly address the “qualified immunity” issue. But the decision may send a signal to the lower courts to apply the immunity test as written. “It rights the ship a little bit,” Del Pozo said—and in a case that has been closely watched by civil-rights lawyers nationwide. He speculates that the court didn’t want “to foster a perception that the courthouse doors are closed to persons with meritorious claims.”
Here is a link to the actual SCOTUS opinion http://www.dorsey.com/files/Upload/13-551_ihdk.pdf

The bottom line is that the courts may not protect Wilson in a civil case. There is clear constitutional law stating that you cannot shoot a fleeing suspect and Wilson violated that constitutional standard.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 07:54 AM

110. Why should he do any such thing? he did nothing wrong

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