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Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:58 PM

Calls Grow For Dick Cheney and George W. Bush To Be Prosecuted For Torture

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Calls Grow For Dick Cheney and George W. Bush To Be Prosecuted For Torture
By: Jason Easley
Tuesday, December, 9th, 2014, 8:43 pm


A top international official is calling for the criminal prosecution of top members of the Bush administration for torture and other war crimes.

United Nations Special Rapporteur on counter terrorism and human rights, Ben Emmerson called for prosecutions of former Bush administration officials at the highest levels,


It is now time to take action. The individuals responsible for the criminal conspiracy revealed in today’s report must be brought to justice, and must face criminal penalties commensurate with the gravity of their crimes.

The fact that the policies revealed in this report were authorised at a high level within the US Government provides no excuse whatsoever. Indeed, it reinforces the need for criminal accountability.

International law prohibits the granting of immunities to public officials who have engaged in acts of torture. This applies not only to the actual perpetrators but also to those senior officials within the US Government who devised, planned and authorised these crimes.

As a matter of international law, the US is legally obliged to bring those responsible to justice. The UN Convention Against Torture and the UN Convention on Enforced Disappearances require States to prosecute acts of torture and enforced disappearance where there is sufficient evidence to provide a reasonable prospect of conviction. States are not free to maintain or permit impunity for these grave crimes.

It is no defence for a public official to claim that they were acting on superior orders. CIA officers who physically committed acts of torture therefore bear individual criminal responsibility for their conduct, and cannot hide behind the authorisation they were given by their superiors.


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The odds of the Bush administration officials being turned over for prosecution are zero, but those who have referred to the Bush administration as war criminals have new justifications for their claims.

They also have the agreement of the international community that what George W. Bush and Dick Cheney engaged in was criminal, and officials in their administration deserve to be prosecuted.

Thanks to Babylonsister

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Reply Calls Grow For Dick Cheney and George W. Bush To Be Prosecuted For Torture (Original post)
tanklvhi Dec 2014 OP
smalllivingeddy Dec 2014 #1
Jenny Fromdablock Dec 2014 #11
smalllivingeddy Dec 2014 #39
Jenny Fromdablock Dec 2014 #40
smalllivingeddy Dec 2014 #41
Jenny Fromdablock Dec 2014 #53
smalllivingeddy Dec 2014 #57
Banshee 3 Actual Dec 2014 #2
tanklvhi Dec 2014 #3
Banshee 3 Actual Dec 2014 #25
Jenny Fromdablock Dec 2014 #59
waltervink Dec 2014 #5
skipping_lemurs Dec 2014 #16
Banshee 3 Actual Dec 2014 #24
eddiepina Dec 2014 #4
i verglas Dec 2014 #6
eddiepina Dec 2014 #15
skipping_lemurs Dec 2014 #17
Maine Dec 2014 #21
i verglas Dec 2014 #22
Angel Rising Dec 2014 #23
WritelyWrong Dec 2014 #42
eddiepina Dec 2014 #26
MrSlayer666 Dec 2014 #7
tanklvhi Dec 2014 #8
skipping_lemurs Dec 2014 #18
graham4anything4HC45 Dec 2014 #9
tanklvhi Dec 2014 #12
graham4anything4HC45 Dec 2014 #13
Banshee 3 Actual Dec 2014 #32
graham4anything4HC45 Dec 2014 #33
Banshee 3 Actual Dec 2014 #34
graham4anything4HC45 Dec 2014 #35
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graham4anything4HC45 Dec 2014 #37
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Gunslinger201 Dec 2014 #45
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Response to tanklvhi (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:08 AM

1. "The odds of the Bush administration officials being turned over for prosecution are zero"

Probably close to it.

So why is that?

Obviously because those officials still have far too much political power. Obama couldn't possibly move against them, and he knows it.

So where does that leave us? Well, Bush, Cheney, and several others have been avoiding travel to a goodly number of countries for some time because there is a real possibility that those countries might enforce the international laws.

And although we are mightily damaged, we are in better shape than if the information had not been published. In how many countries might something like this have been published?

And, it is not as if a substantial number of people in a substantial number of countries were not already believing--some fully knowing--the worst.

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Response to smalllivingeddy (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:38 AM

11. Should Obama be charged for his "kill list" and the bombing of weddings and such?

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Response to Jenny Fromdablock (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:45 PM

39. Arguably so.

If so, of course, then the Bush Administration should be charged with that too because that is a program that the Obama Administration continued from the Bush Administration.

Whereas, although the Obama Administration has not prosecuted Bush Administration officials for torture, as they arguably have an obligation to do, they seem to have at least ordered the CIA to stop torturing.

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Response to smalllivingeddy (Reply #39)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:47 PM

40. And according to the report, Bush was not briefed until 2006.

So, we either believe the report or we don't. This is starting to look like one of those CBO reports both sides like to use, then disbelieve the next day.

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Response to Jenny Fromdablock (Reply #40)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:51 PM

41. briefed on what?

And irrespective.

2006? OK, he remained in office until January 2009.

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Response to smalllivingeddy (Reply #41)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 07:29 PM

53. OK...so you disagree with the report yesterday.

According to CIA records, no CIA officer, up to and including CIA Directors George Tenet and Porter Goss, briefed the president on the specific CIA enhanced interrogation techniques before April 2006. By that time, 38 of the 39 detainees identified as having been subjected to the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques had already been subjected to the techniques.The CIA did not inform the president or vice president of the location of CIA detention facilities other than Country.

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Response to Jenny Fromdablock (Reply #53)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:50 PM

57. I was not disagreeing with it.

I was asking a question.

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Response to tanklvhi (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:09 AM

2. Dream on, will never happen

no mattter how much Easley whines

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:13 AM

3. Your are correct. Which proves that this country stands for NOTHING.

There ARE 2 separate and distinct systems of justice.

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Response to tanklvhi (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 09:12 AM

25. Tell that to those who had to jump from WTC1 & 2 how the rights of the creeps who did it count more

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Response to tanklvhi (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 09:29 PM

59. Bull shit.

When a Tsunami or earthquake hits a 3rd world country or a disease ravages it, who is the first country there to pick up the pieces. Not to mention our poor have the greatest quality of life of any country's "poor" in the world. Seems like we stand for something.

Sell the USA hate somewhere else. We ain't buying it.

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:15 AM

5. You almost seem giddy

 

that the rich and powerful never have to have bad stuff happen to them because they are rich and powerful.

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Response to waltervink (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:12 AM

16. It makes me sick.

 

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Response to waltervink (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 09:11 AM

24. You seem to imagine things others say

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Response to tanklvhi (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:15 AM

4. UN gonna getcha

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Response to eddiepina (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:20 AM

6. nice pic

 

You missed the text that went with it:

http://www.politusic.com/politics/will-the-gun-bill-pass-congress-background-checks/attachment/un_helmet-bullet-holes-paranoid-republicans/
This photo is prized by the ultra-conservative right: A blue UN Helmet shot an torn by bullet holes. They brag about it; make posters with it. Photoshop blood dripping from the holes and post “F*CK the UN!” all over the place. No kidding: one forum (a domain name dedicated to the AR-15, of course) had hundreds of comments, all from different people, with variations of “F the UN”

This is what we’re dealing with here: hyper-paranoid hate combined with delusions of “patriotic” self-defense against made-up ghosts. If these people were kids (or at least minors), we’d send them all to a shrink… and be worried about their mental well being. But they’re adults who own a lot of guns, all we can do is hope they don’t have a breakdown and start shooting up the place.

These people are convinced the UN will take over America, and convinced Obama is some sort of anti-christ, foreign-born dictator… which is why even the mention of a gun law, to them, is a threat to… everything. Fight to the death for the sake of fighting to the death!
You seem to have taken it out of its usual context ... the UN is gonna get you, the UN is toothless, whatever, eh?

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Response to i verglas (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:08 AM

15. The UN is certainly a boogeyman to the

Ragged edge of the far right. I see the UN more as impotent and far less relevant within our borders.

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Response to eddiepina (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:14 AM

17. Makes me want to believe in miracles! nt

 

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Response to eddiepina (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 07:50 AM

21. Jury Results

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
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On Wed Dec 10, 2014, 07:32 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

UN gonna getcha
http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=298407

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Wtf
This poster saying he's going to get the UN, and posts a picture of a UN helmet riddled with bullet holes, this post implies he is going to kill members of the UN


You served on a randomly-selected Jury of Discussionist members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Dec 10, 2014, 07:49 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Just the same old keyboard commando nonsense.
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Explanation: No it don't. Drop them pearls.
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Explanation: The poster seems to have missed the point of the picture while the alerter seems to have missed the point of the post.

Let it stand for all to wonder at.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to Maine (Reply #21)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:26 AM

22. juror #7 wins

 

I do believe.

(However, let me mention how tired I am of all the "let it stand as an example blah de blah blah blah" juror comments. When a post is "hidden" in this forum, it can still be seen by every signed-in reader. It is not being deleted. It is being placed a single mouse-click away from viewing. If there were a "free speech" issue, which there isn't, there wouldn't be. No jury needs to let uncivil comments stand so they can take a stand for freedom. No juror needs to lecture any alerter about ousting bad ideas with good ones and debate the issue and yada yada. The words can be seen, the debate can go on, people can wonder at the words if they like even if a jury applies the minimal standard supposedly in effect here.)

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Response to Maine (Reply #21)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:30 AM

23. The admins need to ban that alerter immediately

 

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Response to Angel Rising (Reply #23)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:35 PM

42. 0-7 Judgement

 

According to the rules here, that means the alerter spend the day in a penalty box, unable to be a jerk, for a whole day.

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Response to Maine (Reply #21)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 11:05 AM

26. EL OH EL!

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Response to tanklvhi (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:21 AM

7. Sadly, this will never happen.

The "nation of laws" slogan is just that, a slogan.

Those motherfuckers should have been impeached, arrested and imprisoned in 2007.

These assholes always get away.

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Response to MrSlayer666 (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:31 AM

8. Yup - there is nothing I need to add to your statments.

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Response to tanklvhi (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:15 AM

18. Sadly, I can't disagree. nt

 

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Response to tanklvhi (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:26 AM

9. What is the statute of limitations?

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Wouldn't it be better off if there is a new Supreme Court in place in 2 1/2 years?

And with the Republicans in charge of the house and senate, one would think that wouldn't get accomplished now anyhow. It's not like it would happen in 3 weeks.

The idea someone had yesterday is an interesting idea-
if one wants to make someone guilty.
The thing is what is this looking for? A guilty verdict or just plain revenge?


Again, what is the specific end goal and why?

The single reason against is- Iran/Contra- The administration was found guilty and then they got pardoned for I/C. The special prosecutor said they were guilty but it was covered up.
Oliver North got the ACLU to get him out of jail and it worked. Bush basically pardoned himself and everyone in his immediate staff. No prosecution was possible for it after that.
(For all we know, Cheney already has a defacto pardon from that time period, where he surely was involved behind the scenes being a prominent member of the Ford administration.

If one isn't sure of 100% prosecution, something this big cannot and should not be done.
And if the military, the CIA and the FBI are on the Bush's side, where does that leave for this to happen?

All we will see is more masks and more beheadings by those in masks with no one knowing who is on the other side of the mask, and stuff blamed on others. Much like happened before the recent elections possibly.
At which point as always the people will say we need to do ANYTHING to keep us safe.
(and thank Fox and Rupert Murdock for irresponsibly bringing 24 into our lives at just that time and getting the masses to enjoy Jack and his having to torture...played right into the hands didn't it).


So is there a statute of limitations?

What comes after the day after? One can't get rid of a structure without a structure in place following?
There is either structure or there is nothing but chaos. And the ones chaos benefits would be the Bush family so one would have went in circles. Or there is just anarchy and nothing at all, which wouldn't really suit the American public well, and would make the country prime for takeover. (again see Russia and how Gorby gave the entire USSR freedom, and shortly thereafter they arrested for a short period, and later Gorby was basically shunted aside and now the old is in again with Putin, so what have the people in Russia gained but nothing atll forward, and moving back to worse than before)

IMHO


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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:43 AM

12. "Statute" - statute of limitations.

There is no statute of limitations for war crimes.

We need an unexpurgated "truth and reconciliation commission" to lay it all out for everyone to see the extent of the bush regime war crimes. No redactions. No hiding anything.

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Response to tanklvhi (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:57 AM

13. see...bringing up a typo...that is ironic-

making such a bold point about a typo is in small, what would happen in big

ALA Oliver North and Iran/Contra.

So what good besides a great series of prize winning articles by Robert Parry became of Iran/Contra.
With zero accomplished it just made the same people bolder.

and they would find a font like they pre-arranged to bring down Dan Rather who had true info but supposedly (but UNPROVEN by the Republican committee to actually have been fake font)
or a typo like above, and nothing would come of it.

Or we would get a fixer like Gerald Ford in the Warren Commission and Gerald Ford getting himself picked as VP for Nixon. Only takes one on a jury or several on a grand jury to get nothing at all

And Nixon himself proved anything a President does is legal, because nothing became of proving legally he was wrong.

So what would be accomplished?

And then what would happen with say 10 or 12 beheadings from people wearing hoods and masks and carrying big shiny whatever it is they use to do it?

How does one assure the end result is the end result looking for?
Nothing in the history of America from Nov. 1963 to the present, suggests anything at all would
be in that direction. Everything suggests the opposite.

George Herbert Walker Bush is 90 and he can no longer walk they say but for some reason the public at large seems to love and admire more and more the older he gets
Dick Cheney had five heart attacks and he is something like 73
Do you think either would actually end up in jail?
Bush43 will just say he was "out of the loop" (Remember that phrase from Bush41's day?)

Remember the nauseating eulogy Bush41 made about Ford?
When out of nowhere he mentioned certain things and said what an honorable person Ford was?

All this would do is insure Jeb is the next President which one would think is not the goal.

imho

Which is why personally, the go forward and not back approach at least gets something happening and the reports are out there and history has them now.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:06 PM

32. So no statute of Limitations? Cool

Bill Clinton going to Sudan to stand trial for murder of a Janitor by Tomahawk?

or to Serbia first for bombing civilians in 1999?

Can China extradite him for bombing their embassy in Belgrade?

And Po Momma Hillary & Obama goes to the dock for extrajudicial killing of Bin Laden?
Will Hillary and Obama get tried for Illegally arming Syrian Jihadis?

Obama next as well for War crimes in Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen,

See how that crap escalates?

Do you truly want Soviet style political trials for those you don't like? because when the other party comes into power imagine how that can bite one in the butt?

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #32)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:14 PM

33. Actually, I am in favor of getting rid of the CIA and FBI and the Bush41 mechanisms

No indictments will happen because Bush41 already pardoned everyone during the Iran/Contra scandal, which probably includes Cheney from any crime from that time forward.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #33)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:20 PM

34. I'll bet you are in favor of that, and what it would do to cripple this nation in the fight

against terrorists

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #34)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:23 PM

35. President Obama got BinLaden on his watch. Bush let him go & Bush41 is friends w/OBL's family.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #35)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:26 PM

36. Seal Team Six got Bin Laden and is AQ defunct now that he is dead?

Ans since when do we hold innocent family members guilty for the crimes of a son?

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #36)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:36 PM

38. So you are saying a President does not get credit or blame for anything...well then...if so...

but I will await your answer.

because things aren't done in a vaccum. Life is not a Hoover or electrolux

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #38)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 07:44 PM

55. Why are you so adamant about

your president getting credit for something done with intelligence gleaned from what you call torture? Taking "Victory Laps" from a kill enabled by "torture"?

Why, ,,,,you're part of the problem. Aren't you?

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Response to MoreCowbell (Reply #55)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 09:11 PM

58. Glad President Obama made the correct call after great Columbo like detective work

Whereas Bush let him get away and then seemed to no longer care, diverting billions into Iraq and bankrupting America.
and it had nothing to do with torture. KSM gave us nothing at all.

Are you forgetting the Republican party is for the Cheney methods- Mitt said he would restore all and McCain was all for bombing Russia and China by any means.

President Obama saved us from a depression with his response to the economy, and single handedly saved the Auto Industry from crashing completely.

In fact, this Thanksgiving sale week was one of the biggest in years.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #33)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:55 PM

45. You can't pre-pardon, graham

Interesting concept though.

My understanding is you have to wait till they are found guilty. But after that Presidential Pardon Authority is absolute

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #45)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 03:51 PM

46. The ACLU says otherwise. And Nixon was pardoned with no charges against him

and President Carter pardoned the vietnam era people who went to Canada
and President LIncoln pardoned

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #46)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 05:07 PM

52. You know, you're right

I forgot about the Nixon Pardon

Thank you...but Frankly I doubt Bush and Cheney think they need a Pardon

I don't think they need a Pardon

DiFi and the Dems on this Committee may end up needing a Pardon...we'll see

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Response to tanklvhi (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:31 AM

10. Why shouldn't they?

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Response to tanklvhi (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:07 AM

14. One can always hope. nt

 

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Response to tanklvhi (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 03:37 AM

19. ...

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Response to Miss Quay (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 07:26 AM

20. Still a better Prez than Obummer

Who will go down in History as a failed Presidency

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #20)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:44 PM

43. Cool story bro.

Glad you think you can predict what will appear in history books of the future.

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Response to Miss Quay (Reply #43)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:52 PM

44. You don't have to be Miss Cleo

To see this administration is flailing

All they have left is calling White America Racists

This Presidency is in a Race to the Bottem with Carters

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #44)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:52 PM

51. Ok. If you say so.

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Response to tanklvhi (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 11:33 AM

27. They need to get over it.

Every week, especially on the other site, I see calls to prosecute them for being war criminals.

It isn't going to happen; ever. Move on.

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Response to tanklvhi (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 11:35 AM

28. Anything to take the focus of the corrupt Obamunist

and is apparatchiks in Congress.

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Response to tanklvhi (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 11:55 AM

29. A free pass on any behavior guarantees that the behavior will continue, and increase.

 

Anyone who has been a child,
has been parent to a child,
or has seen a child,
will know that allowing them to do something without any consequences will only encourage them to do it again.

And when they learn that they can act with no consequences, they will go further and further each time.

Now that torture is an accepted facet of American "diplomacy" - we can expect more extreme actions to be taken "to protect us" from something or other.

The US is a pariah state to most of the world.
It has proven it cannot be trusted to act as a responsible member of the world community.
Committing war crimes is not a way to enhance ones international reputation. But then, bullies only want to be feared, not respected.
Mission accomplished.

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Response to JeffJenk (Reply #29)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 03:53 PM

47. They will go further and further each time?

So what you are saying, is that our government is running more and more guns across the border? That it will use and abuse the IRS more and more?

Jesus, that's some scary stuff right there.

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Response to kc_tim (Reply #47)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:03 PM

48. Deliberate ignorance is not an attractive trait. "Give them an inch, they'll take a mile" is not

 

a false statement.

Or have you lived your entire life not observing the world around you?

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Response to JeffJenk (Reply #48)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:18 PM

50. I'm not disagreeing with you Sparky

I just don't believe in the illogical 'evil right' conspiracy you always preach about.

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Response to tanklvhi (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 11:56 AM

30. The safest way to do something illegal

 

is to pay some guys to tell you it's legal.

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Response to waltervink (Reply #30)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:04 PM

49. Correct. But that is only after you cannot get the law thrown out entirely. Both methods work

 

all too well for the privileged.

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Response to tanklvhi (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 11:57 AM

31. LOL

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Response to tanklvhi (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 07:36 PM

54. since Pelosi stopped it... I assume McDonnell will as well.

Liberal delusions. Even the moon bat from San Francisco wouldn't do anything with a majority.

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Response to tanklvhi (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:14 PM

56. lol they tortured their own informants by mistake

 

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Response to tanklvhi (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 09:32 PM

60. Oh please

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Response to tanklvhi (Original post)

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 09:57 PM

61. Yep

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