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Sun May 25, 2014, 03:23 PM

How many people have died each year from a mass shooter packing a bowling ball?

Bowling balls don't kill.
Guns do. about 30 a day, hundreds wounded all needlessly

How many people have died a day week year from a bowling ball?

(note- this is a topic I first broached during the Zimmy trial.)

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Reply How many people have died each year from a mass shooter packing a bowling ball? (Original post)
graham4anything4HC45 May 2014 OP
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Response to blue (Reply #1)

Sun May 25, 2014, 05:04 PM

51. Damn right!

Don't forget hospital error. So much more could be added to the list. It's ridiculous to single out one inanimate object when, in every case, a person is is the manipulator. Just ban people and be done with it.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun May 25, 2014, 03:38 PM

2. wow

 

Hey graham, the number is 8,855 people murdered with a gun, not 30,000 (source FBI) in 2012.
And yes, about the same number KILLED THEMSELVES with a gun.

35,000 died in car accidents. And more people died of drug overdose than from cars or guns.


If you can't even get the premise of your argument right, how can you proceed?

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Response to Wiking (Reply #2)

Sun May 25, 2014, 03:40 PM

3. 30 a day killed. hundreds wounded every day. typo was fixed prior to reading this.

every single day.

Cars have national data bases.
Guns have no national data base.

How many people died from packing a bowling ball?

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #3)

Sun May 25, 2014, 03:45 PM

4. Graham, you're being silly. Stick with Hillary advocacy.

 

Because you're wading in the deep end here.

I have no idea what you're trying to say.

How many people died from bowling balls?

I don't know the number... but just last year a woman was given a 23 year sentence for killing a 5 year old child by hitting him with a bowling ball.

Graham, do you know why she killed him with a bowling ball? Because she didn't have a gun. If she didn't have a bowling ball she may have used a hammer or a kitchen knife or a lamp or a tv remote or a laptop computer or a high heel shoe!!!

It's not the guns... it's the crazy bastards brought up in this degenerate, disgusting society we find ourselves in.

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Response to Wiking (Reply #4)

Sun May 25, 2014, 03:48 PM

5. How many mass killers killed how many masses of people with a bowling ball?

the point is, all mass shootings are done 100% with a gun.
Without a gun, there are zero mass shootings.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #5)

Sun May 25, 2014, 03:52 PM

8. Graham, take that back.

 

If you're going to argue without factual basis, you're going to be corrected.

The worst mass murders in the history of the US were committed with Jet Airliners.

The worst school massacre was committed with a can of gasoline and dynamite.



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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #5)

Sun May 25, 2014, 03:54 PM

10. +1000000. Without a gun, Zman would have remained in his car and Dunn wouldn't have bullied

 

kids playing music too loud.

As to the posters above who cite drug deaths, auto deaths, etc. Yes, those are a problem. But just because they happen, it doesn't mean we have to delay doing something meaningful about guns. And, yes gun fanciers, I realize nothing will be completely effective right away, but we can't just sit here coddling you while 100 million more guns are produced over the next decade.

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Response to CTA102 (Reply #10)

Sun May 25, 2014, 03:58 PM

15. I'm sorry but you're wrong...

 

If there were no guns, then people who feel a need to protect themselves will use another means of self defense.

Whether it's improvised explosives or knives or swords or vials of acid or a bow and fricken arrow.

EDIT oh and a spear too.

In a gun-free world you don't think that Zimmerman would have followed Trayvon with a spear or a sword?

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Response to Wiking (Reply #15)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:00 PM

16. Don't forget the infamous cans of beans or bicycle tires.

 


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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #16)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:44 PM

41. Careful, he'll dismantle your gun underwater in a minute or less.

 

I wish I could hold my breath that long.

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Response to Wiking (Reply #15)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:00 PM

17. Without a gun, zimmerman would have sat in his car playing with himself.

 

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Response to CTA102 (Reply #17)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:02 PM

20. No, let's take your scenario all the way back.

 

It's a gun free world.

Instead of taking self defense classes with a firearm it'd be "Practical Sword Defense" taught at the YMCA.

I mean... let's be reasonable. If guns were POOF and gone I'd have a bow and arrow in my house or a crossbow.

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Response to Wiking (Reply #20)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:28 PM

27. wrong. It takes alot of effort to pull back the bow and shoot. Not rat-a-tat-tat.

and why not use that bow and arrow to hunt, no need for a gun.
The Native Americans did.

MASS deaths, by a lone individual only can happen with a gun (we are not talking a coordinated pre-planned terrorist or terror like event here, that is not the subject at hand).

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #27)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:32 PM

28. Graham...

 

After witnessing all the abuse you endured on DU I just can't find it in my heart to smack you around here.

So just Bless Your Heart, Graham...

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Response to Wiking (Reply #20)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:41 PM

37. I agree that people who can't walk out of the house without a gun would take "practical sword" for

 

all the same reasons they arm up.

But for most rational people the world would be a better place.

Adam -- Bow and Arrow -- Lanza ain't gonna kill a bunch of kids.

In a house, when robbers weren't armed with guns, I'd suggest you'd be better off learning how to use a staff. Not as "fulfilling" as stroking a gun to gun fanciers, but effective in your scenario.

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Response to Wiking (Reply #15)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:05 PM

22. No you are wrong. Guns are too easy to commit mass murder, hence why I call them WMD

the other methods require pre-planning, require thought, require funds, knowledge, etc.

a gun here and now kills here and now.

and there is no guarantee a knife will kill. Might only wound.

Guns have these horrible bullets that tear out everything inside it touches making recovery impossible
(see the death of John Lennon. Nothing could save him, even though luck had a policeman coming home right there at the time...the bullet destroyed any hope.)

And had that vile filth had anything else, another person might have stopped it before it was plunged into him.

John might have been hurt, or paralyzed from a knife, but odds are he would have lived and odds even better it would not have been a serious wound.

Same 99.9% of the time with regard to these mass shootings.

I know it is easy to make fun of me and my analogy- but my topic was not in satire or jest.

Someone with a bowling ball MIGHT kill ONE person, but would not have the ability to lift the ball up and slam it down continuous on scores of people. ESPECIALLY if the person was in a car. NOBODY dead.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #3)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:34 PM

30. Is this seriously your argument?

Don't be surprised when it gets you nowhere.

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Response to foodforthought (Reply #30)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:36 PM

33. one which is infallable. Which is why it is made fun of.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #33)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:41 PM

39. one which is infallable. Which is why it is made fun of.

 

Wrong again, it's made fun of because it's a ridiculous comparison.

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #39)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:50 PM

44. your opinion. But it makes the point. Tennis ball, ping pong ball, even a hardball

mass murder cannot be committed with anything else so easy, cheap and simple at spur of the moment.

Somebody winding up like a pro baseball player, could have their arm broken in half by someone standing behind who saw what was going down.
The gun is hidden, in front bang bang rat-a-tat-tat and x number of people dead.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #44)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:55 PM

48. mass murder cannot be committed with anything else so easy, cheap and simple at spur of the moment.

 

Again, B.S.
With a gallon of gas, someone could commit a mass murder bigger than anyone with a gun has ever done in this country. Doesn't take hardly any planning.
Someone with a car can commit mass murder on a spur of the moment whim.
There have been several mass murders in China by a single assailant armed with only a knife.
Your opinion is full of it.

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #48)

Sun May 25, 2014, 05:03 PM

50. and security can stop the event after it

and has

one in NYC cannot drive into a WTC like building after the 1st WTC (which anyhow was terror.)

All those nice plants outside buildings are concret barriers dressed up

you see- yes, it could happen once or twice-

only guns happen again and again and again like Groundhog Day the movie

yes, you can come up with incidental after incidental, but only guns can insure horrible deaths
(the person with gas could have it exploded on the way in their car or have someone smell it and stop the car.

the gun is hidden.

in front
not known til pulled out.

Someone with a gas tank after it was done once, would be seen. and is irrelevant anyhow to the conversation

Stopping even ONE mass murder would make it worthwhile.

Falsh equiv. to say another way might happen.

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Response to Wiking (Reply #2)

Sun May 25, 2014, 05:48 PM

56. All of those things have other uses

Cars get you around.

Guns don't do much unless you actually hunt.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun May 25, 2014, 03:49 PM

6. How I have missed your nonsense since DU banned you

This has significantly brightened my day!

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Response to Rae (Reply #6)

Sun May 25, 2014, 03:52 PM

9. Me too,

 

except my eyes go all trying to read his word salad or make sense of his posts.

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #9)

Sun May 25, 2014, 05:05 PM

52. Well, that

makes two of you.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun May 25, 2014, 03:50 PM

7. Yep. there's the G4A from DU.

 

I should've taken bets on how long it was going to take you to go off the rails.
Next up, adoration for Bloomy and his authoritarian tendencies.

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #7)

Sun May 25, 2014, 03:54 PM

11. I already posted that earlier. You can't have a mass shooting with a bowling ball.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #11)

Sun May 25, 2014, 03:56 PM

13. How much wood could a woodchuck chuck

if he had a bowling ball in his mouth?

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #11)

Sun May 25, 2014, 03:56 PM

14. And you can't have a bowling game without a bowling ball.

 

That makes just as much sense as your thread.
Actually, it makes more sense.

Between you and a couple of others here, y'all are the poster childs for gun rights and the best recruiters for the pro 2A movement.
The NRA, GAO and other gun rights groups thank you.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #11)

Mon May 26, 2014, 11:57 AM

69. "You can't have a mass shooting with a bowling ball".

Maybe because no one has tried yet?

Maybe not a "mass shooting", but if one were to put their mind and effort to it, they could ruin a lot of peoples day...



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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun May 25, 2014, 03:56 PM

12. Is that a bowling ball

in your pants, or did you just see a gun?

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Response to Qukid (Reply #12)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:51 PM

45. indirectly, you make a perfect point in my favor-

you can't hide a bowling ball in your pants like you can a gun.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #45)

Sun May 25, 2014, 05:11 PM

53. It's a dumb analogy

Many of the mass shooters used rifles.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:00 PM

18. Hey! If bowling balls are outlawed...

You know the rest.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:02 PM

19. Partygoer killed by heaved bowling ball during brawl at New Jersey bowling alley

October 21, 2013

Jamont Atkins, 23, was killed when someone hit him in the head with a bowling ball during a fight at Stelton Lanes in Piscataway early Saturday. Police were looking for suspects.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/partygoer-killed-bowling-ball-bowling-alley-brawl-article-1.1491577

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #19)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:03 PM

21. damn so that's 2 people killed with bowling balls in 2013 damn!!!

 

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Response to Wiking (Reply #21)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:05 PM

23. You mock because you know it is true what I am saying.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #23)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:10 PM

24. No, we mock because most of us remember you from DU

 

and you're continuing your word salad ways here.

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #24)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:26 PM

26. A bowling ball cannot be used to commit instant mass murder-ONLY a gun can do it

It's not this word salad phrase you use, it is the truth.

Guns are WMDs because they are weapons, they cause MASS destruction

nothing else can do it as perfect, as quick, and is as easy to find.

And NOTHING else is perfect as a weapon for something they decide to go through that very moment.

The bowling ball point is- one, it is heavy. Two, it takes a little effort to lift it up with enough power that it hurts someone (and in that instant the person about to be hit can move out of the way
YOU CANNOT HIDE a bowling ball and spring it out like you can a gun

It is there in plain sight.

I believe attempts at spin occur saying otherwise

Pure facts show it impossible to commit MASS murder with just about any other method obtained so easily as a gun, with such good results because those horrible bullets do horrible damage

(even taking a car into a crowd does not necessarily kill anyone

And, in mass shootings at the start of the event, NO ONE knows it is going to happen. So the NRA sound byte that if so and so had a gun it could have been prevented- NO IT COULD NOT

because until someone fires, no one knows it happens

If someone walks into a room with other weapons, they have the possibility of being stopped.
A gun in pants pocket pulled out in front of someone, and no one from behind knows what is happening.

It is just LOGIC not word salad. Not reading comprehension 101. Just PURE LOGIC.

Why do gun lovers deny that fact.
Maybe there could be a conversation if there wasn't a rush to change the subject to a poster not naming the correct model, or saying 30 instead of 29 or something that amounts to a typo
(like Dan Rather's info was 100% correct, but the preplanned font was not- it mattered little if the info passed along was the original memo or a copy, but the story got sidetracked, and the point that W never denied the story itself was forgotten about, and the desired result occurred (the getting rid of Dan Rather).

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #26)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:35 PM

31. only a gun can do it?

 

How about a gallon of gasoline and a 3 foot long section of chain and a padlock?

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #26)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:36 PM

34. Posts like this are (part of the reason) why your side gets nowhere lately

All emotionally charged statements and arguments, no relevant and solid logic or facts

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #26)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:52 PM

46. Only a gun can commit mass murder?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

Pretty sure this was more instant as well more more deadly than any mass shooting in the US.

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Response to foodforthought (Reply #46)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:56 PM

49. nope, that took knowledge and expense and preplanned. Not the same thing (though horrible of course)

The average person going over the edge does not have any of that available, same with the Boston perps

we are talking about someone with no record, going over the edge, where maybe on any other day would not have.

doing what happened in that school took much preplanning and expense and knowledge.

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Sun May 25, 2014, 04:33 PM

29. but NOT mass killings, by a lone individual which is the subject at hand.

This thread is NOT satire.
and nobody can dispute the point I am making and compare something else, some other method.

I unlike the NRA do not have a talking point million dollar suit composing a post to delete that so called
"word salad".

I am just me, writing as I talk, stream of conscious style.
I don't write in teams, it is just me, singular.
Without edit. Without pre-planning what I say.

The NRA releases well typed, well formatted edit and reedit posts on any and all to be distributed to any all for all sort of occurences.

I am just me and sometimes I am quite lazy- so I say a number without doing checking to make sure.

The NRA checks and rechecks and submits their soundbytes, and the million dollar suit gets paid well to be perfect, so that person doesn't have their submission analyzed for a typo- much like Ronald Reagan never said a spur of the moment line, and "there you go again" was written and was known for EXACTLY the moment it would be used against Jimmy Carter (especially as they stole his rehearsal play book and knew when to pounce).

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #29)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:36 PM

32. but what you write is fundamentally incorrect.

 

So arguing with you is like herding cats.

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Response to Wiking (Reply #32)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:41 PM

38. no it isn't. Which is why it is mocked.

MASS killings by a LONE individual NOT a terrorist or one who uses terroristic methods or trained by a terror org. We are talking about ONE individual (whether that individual has problems or not) spur of the moment
going over the edge and committing mass murder cannot do what they do without a gun.

Using the methods Boston perps used require knowledge, parts, supplies, preplanning, etc.

grabbing a gun, even if conceptual to doing something, it takes acutally something that spur of the moment to do is only possible with a gun.(to insure success.)

and this latest was in a car, therefore NO other method would have worked- no knife, no fist, no nothing.

just a gun, being used for what it was created for. to shoot. More deaths needless.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #38)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:43 PM

40. Graham

 

3 feet of chain, 1 gallon of gasoline and a padlock.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #29)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:37 PM

35. You say

 

The NRA checks and rechecks and submits their soundbytes, and the million dollar suit gets paid well to be perfect, so that person doesn't have their submission analyzed for a typo- much like Ronald Reagan never said a spur of the moment line, and "there you go again" was written and was known for EXACTLY the moment it would be used against Jimmy Carter (especially as they stole his rehearsal play book and knew when to pounce).

So that would mean that the NRA is more truthful than you because they actually check the facts, unlike you.

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #35)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:46 PM

42. No, just means they are doing a 9 to5 PAID job and getting paid quite well(where is that money from?

That means there is a committee to do it, not just one.
And that means those soundbytes are available at a moments notice forever foreward.

whereas next time I write this same thing, I myself will start from
scratch. I don't have soundbytes at my disposal.
(silly me at DU never bothered to move elsewhere any PMs I might wanted to have saved, total NO access
once I was no longer there...not to mention friends lost not moving things over).

If I were paid a million dollars (which I would not work for the NRA nor do I wear suits), I would have people who would make sure my posts were correct prior to release.

I type and its released. I don't edit.

So of course there are no stupid typos or mistakes in theirs. That is what they are PAID for.
and continued to be paid for. They would be fired if not, right?

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #19)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:53 PM

47. one. not mass murder. Same as the drunk who tossed a toilet bowl over the ledge in brazil

and that was a drunk, not a mass murderer, and when sober, do you think that person would have ever thought to do that?

and now worldwide, I bet people will have security near bathrooms to prevent that
(and you can't hide a toilet in ones pants anyhow)

how bizarre was that?

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #47)

Sun May 25, 2014, 09:11 PM

59. Move that goalpost, yeeehaa!

You said, "Bowling balls don't kill. Guns do." Now it's something else. Weren't you banned at DU as one of Locozolo's socks?

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #59)

Sun May 25, 2014, 09:17 PM

60. I was banned for going personal which I admit and apologize for.

I was not anyone but me and never was.

so have no idea what you are talking about. Who are you talking about?


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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:39 PM

36. I take it that you are a bowler?

 

I've heard LBJ was also a bowler.

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Response to MountainDew (Reply #36)

Sun May 25, 2014, 04:47 PM

43. yes, and yes. I used to be very good too

but the knees don't allow for much bowling anymore.
Am an avid follower of pro bowling too, though that's for another topic.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun May 25, 2014, 05:44 PM

55. I agree 100%..., thanks for posting, graham

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the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is NOT the most powerful lobby in Washington.

The most powerful lobby in Washington is the National Rifle Association.
The NRA is against ANY new gun control legislation, including universal background checks, (which even a majority of NRA members are for).

What we really need is a new assault weapons ban;

However, unless the Dems re-capture the House of Representatives this November and pick up enough seats in the Senate to block a filibuster, (both of which are unlikely at this point) we aren't going to see a new assault weapons ban anytime soon.

Meanwhile, all we can do is
a) Try to help get out the Democratic vote this November to get as many Democrats elected to Congress as
possible
b), Help our local Democrats running for office, especially those not receiving funding from the NRA.
c) Support groups like Common Cause, People For the American Way, the League of Women Voters, the Occupy
Movement, (especially Occupy The Vote), and other progressive groups, as well as the DCCC, the DSCC, and
other groups within the Democratic Party.itself.
d) Support anti-gun groups in any way we can:
1) The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence ....http://www.bradycampainn.org/
.... 2) Coalition to Stop Gun Violence...http://www.csgv.org/
3) Violence Policy Center..(Even the NRA are scared to death of this one)..http://www.vpc.org/
4) Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY)..http://www.carolynmccarthy.house.gov/
5)..Moms Demand Action, Faiths United to Prevent Gun Violence, Physicians for Social Responsibility,
Stop Handgun Violence, Children's Defense Fund, The Joyce Foundation, Law Center to Prevent Gun
Violence, Mayors Against Illegal Guns, and other gun control organizations as well.
6) Michael Bloomberg's new organization, "Every Town for Gun Safety"..http://www.everytown.org/

Also very important, doing exactly what YOU are doing, "Individuals Speaking Out Against Gun Violence".

Be ready for the barrage of attacks by gun nuts, many of whom will answer this question and any other question about gun control.


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Response to bluedog294 (Reply #55)

Sun May 25, 2014, 05:50 PM

57. I've got news for you,

 

the AWB that was introduced by DiFi failed to get even a majority of votes in the Senate, it went down in flames on a vote of 40 for, 60 against, that means that numerous Dems voted against it also, even Bernie Sanders voted against it, so, even if the Dems did win back the House, (not going to happen) and increase their lead in the Senate, (lucky to even keep the majority), there is no way a new AWB will become law.

Even Pres. Clinton has warned Dems against over reaching on the firearms issue.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun May 25, 2014, 06:46 PM

58. How many people were killed with pressure cookers before Boston?

While the comparison is disturbing, its makes as much sense. Just about anything can be used by someone who wants to do something evil.

Perhaps a better question would be how many people were killed by Bloomberg's evil policies during his reign as the emperor of New York?

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #58)

Sun May 25, 2014, 09:25 PM

62. better question would be-how many LESS people were hurt than in Guiliani's admin...and question-

if stop and frisk was so bad

why did uber-Progressive DeBlassio hire Bill Bratten who (NOT RAY KELLY) actually invented stop and frisk in the first place.

anwer me that...for I scratch my head over that one

(please note- I supported Christine Quinn and Bill Thompson, not DEBlassio who got very lucky through some nifty ads and through a series of misfortunes to other candidates (and the audacity of Weiner entering race)
DeB came out of nowhere.

I do support his wife to someday run for something on her own. Great person she is. Great story.
Maybe cabinet post (education) or something in the future.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #62)

Sun May 25, 2014, 09:31 PM

63. I know you idolize Bloomberg, but he was much more oppressive than Guiliani

And that takes some doing.

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #63)

Sun May 25, 2014, 09:35 PM

64. no he wasn't. And nobody needs to go to movies and have 1250 calories in 90 minutes.

which is what a tub of popcorn and super large real soda contains
AND THEN ask for a refill of each.

and then wonder why health care bills are so expensive when one reaches 40 or 50

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #63)

Sun May 25, 2014, 09:39 PM

65. BTW-would you rather read a story from FOX or from Bloomberg news?

I would rather read Bloomberg news.

I don't hate the rich. It is way too broad a term to hate the rich.

But why did DeBlassio hire Bratten, when it was Bratten that invented stop and frisk in the first place?

and don't you remember how bad it was during Giuliani (who caused a police riot when he was DA )
and how Giuliana was at the WTC was Mr9-11 and how many minorities were killed with 41 or 50 shots during his time?

Life sucked under Rudy.
It was a million times better later on.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #65)

Sun May 25, 2014, 09:40 PM

66. Graham it's very hard to read your posts

 

I can't tell if you're serious, attempting snark, being sarcastic, being over the top for dramatic effect or just excited.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #65)

Sun May 25, 2014, 09:41 PM

67. You are a true believer, there is no reasoning with you over your object of worship

It was no different on DU. Your credibility is no better either.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun May 25, 2014, 09:20 PM

61. A cool piece of shrapnel...

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun May 25, 2014, 09:43 PM

68. Ah, there is the graham from du.

Did you ever have any sea monkeys? I like sea monkeys.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Mon May 26, 2014, 12:02 PM

70. cigarettes inflict far more pain upon society

 

Why not spend these energies fixing that problem first? Nothing in the constitution about cigarettes either, you would probably have a chance of success.

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Response to Frederick55 (Reply #70)

Mon May 26, 2014, 12:09 PM

71. 90% of people used to smoke. NOW 90% don't. Society did change cigarettes

and I love how most places in NYC are banned from smoking

also should be banned- any and all vapor cigarettes and the like, which are a cigarette company dream to increase their $$$$

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #71)

Mon May 26, 2014, 12:12 PM

73. Yep,

 

you just keep outting yourself as just another authortarian in the mold of Blooming Idiot.

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #73)

Mon May 26, 2014, 12:19 PM

75. the smoking age in NYC was just raised- under UberProgressive DeBlassio who is now mayor.

and yes, vapor cigs will be banned.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #75)

Mon May 26, 2014, 12:22 PM

76. Like I said.

 

I'm glad I live in a very progressive state like Nevada, where we don't have too many progressive assholes like DeBlassio telling us how we should live our lives, but if NYC is your idea of Nirvana, stay there, we don't welcome authortarians such as yourself.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #71)

Mon May 26, 2014, 12:54 PM

82. Perhaps I should clarify a little

 

My point is that there are far more other "problems" out there (other than guns) that are fixable where resources could be utilized that would save massive amounts of lives. Hunger/disease in Africa, to throw one out there.

I just simply don't see the logic behind the anti-gun movement and I wonder if the motivation is more anti-conservative than pro-humankind. It appears that it's often the number one issue for a large portion of the left and for quite a few posters on this BBS. IMO, it shouldn't even be a top 20 issue.

If conservatives weren't (generally) pro-gun rights, would the left still be fighting that battle to the extent that they are?

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Response to Frederick55 (Reply #82)

Mon May 26, 2014, 01:03 PM

83. if conservatives weren't pro-gun, no one would be buying guns.

The issue would not be there.

Right now guns are a major issue because they are killing people left/right/center.
Guns don't care who it kills, they kill.

As for feeding the word, we need a totally democratic congress to allocate funding. It sure won't be John Boehner or Mitch McConnell doing anything.

But if we can't all keep ourselves alive because we are being shot (and as you know, these mass killings are being done with mostly legal guns not illegal guns, and they are being done not because a poor person needs to be able to come up with food money, but from people who could use some good mental health treatment, that guess which side refuses to fund.

I would happily pay $1 a gallon more if the tax money went for all the liberal causes, but one side won't even listen to raising a penny in taxes, and nothing gets done.

Guns in America warp the priorites of everything.
and the one party makes it impossible to fund anything or move anything forward like it has in the past.

so I do agree with almost all of what you said, but the gun problem needs to also be dealt with.
anarchy is not going to get anyone anywhere.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #83)

Mon May 26, 2014, 01:17 PM

84. This is where the left completely loses me in this debate

 

"Right now guns are a major issue because they are killing people left/right/center.
Guns don't care who it kills, they kill."

Guns do not care, they don't have feelings. Guns are not alive. They are absolutely harmless unless used by a human being to harm someone.

And I appreciate your post, but I just can't get beyond this point.

Best wishes.

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Response to Frederick55 (Reply #84)

Mon May 26, 2014, 01:22 PM

85. Corporations are not people, yet Bush's rightwing court said they were.

Isn't everything interconnected with everything else?

THE USA could solve all the world's problems, but one side hinders everything
(that same side wants to close the borders, not listen to any plea for help anywhere and ignore all the problems with their survival of the fittest attitude and not caring if there are poor at all.

So I don't know the answers.
(and I also agree corporations are not people and neither are guns.)

but where will the money come from is the question?

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Mon May 26, 2014, 12:10 PM

72. What scares me the most about you is

 

that you are such a fanatic on the firearms issue, you will one day snap and pick up a weapon, be it gun, knife, axe, baseball bat, whatever, and go on a killing spree because of your perceived injustice about guns.
When that day comes, and IMO, it is coming, I hope I'm as far away from you as possible.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #74)

Mon May 26, 2014, 12:25 PM

77. I really should be offended by post #72.

 

I'm sorry, you mistake me for someone who cares if you're offended by what I wrote.
You, buddy boy, fit the mold, lock, stock and barrel.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #78)

Mon May 26, 2014, 12:37 PM

79. OMG, this gets funnier and funnier.

 


You're reverting back to your bizzare ways of DU, and I had such high hopes for you here.

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #79)

Mon May 26, 2014, 12:53 PM

81. you know something

all of you have the advantage of knowing me, and I gotta figure out who I am talking to.
I am very bad at figuring who is who as most here have a different name.
But I know realize now who you were at DU. (or are if you are still over there as I am not there I haven't really kept up to date).

Anyhow-
nice to convese with you again, been a while.


after a while, writing gives one way.
a certain phrase, word, that is unique to that writer.
(I figured out three others, and a few other posters named a few others, but its all so confusing.)

I mean, I value my name so that is the main reason my name is about the same, but there would be no way to hide my writing style
(stream of conscious) anyhow unless I resorted to one word answers, and how could I figure out what one word to answer with, when 500 are running through my mind?


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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #81)

Mon May 26, 2014, 01:27 PM

86. All you gotta do is ask.

 

I was known as cowman on DU2 before I was banned, never been on DU3 except to lurk and read the comments, that's why I know who you are and your writing style.

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