Politicsgrubertheass

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:06 PM

This is just a question......to discuss

It's pretty clear Gruber is the key to Obamacare getting a reprieve or being killed in the Supreme Court (State exchanges getting Federal Subsidies)

Will Gruber have to appear or will the Videos of him making himself look foolish be played?

I honestly don't know

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Gunslinger201 Dec 2014 OP
Muggles Dec 2014 #1
Dexter Morgan Dec 2014 #5
joefriday6 Dec 2014 #10
Doctor_R Dec 2014 #16
graham4anything4HC45 Dec 2014 #2
smalllivingeddy Dec 2014 #8
graham4anything4HC45 Dec 2014 #14
smalllivingeddy Dec 2014 #18
CTA102 Dec 2014 #3
Muggles Dec 2014 #4
Gunslinger201 Dec 2014 #9
CTA102 Dec 2014 #11
Gunslinger201 Dec 2014 #17
CTA102 Dec 2014 #20
Scary Red Dec 2014 #22
nolens volens Dec 2014 #24
Scary Red Dec 2014 #25
Trevor Dec 2014 #6
joefriday6 Dec 2014 #7
smalllivingeddy Dec 2014 #12
joefriday6 Dec 2014 #23
Cardinals1982 Dec 2014 #13
graham4anything4HC45 Dec 2014 #15
Strange Luck Dec 2014 #19
Gunslinger201 Dec 2014 #21

Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:26 PM

1. ...Gruber is the key to Obamacare getting a reprieve or being killed in the Supreme Court....

What?

Some guy is recorded saying something stupid, so you think that enacted laws are void? If that was the truth, Rush Limbaugh has single handedly reversed every GOP policy in the last 25 years.

Because someone has a recording, you think that 11 million people should be thrown off of their insurance plans and families who were finally able to get insurance for handicapped children will be without medical care?

You did, however, make one accurate comment. "I honestly don't know". That I agree with. You don't have a clue.

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Response to Muggles (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:35 PM

5. Some guy....LOL

Do you have a link to 11 million getting thrown off along with their handicapped children,or are you just making up stuff and hope nobody calls you on it???????


Some guy.....LOL....
He was a key architect of both the 2006 Massachusetts health care reform, sometimes referred to as "Romneycare", and the 2010 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, sometimes referred to as the "ACA" and "Obamacare". He became the focus of a media and political firestorm in late 2014 when videos surfaced in which he made controversial statements about the legislative process, marketing strategies, and public perception surrounding the passage of the ACA.

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n 2009–10 Gruber served as a technical consultant to the Obama Administration and worked with both the administration and U.S. Congress to help craft the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, often referred to as the ACA or "Obamacare". The Act was signed into law in March 2010, and Gruber has been described as an "architect", "writer", and "consultant" of the legislation. He was widely interviewed and quoted during the roll-out of the legislation.[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Gruber_%28economist%29#Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:42 PM

10. That was my initial reaction also. IMO, the guy should do serious time.

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Response to Muggles (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:47 PM

16. "...11 million people should be thrown off of their insurance ..."

Apparently. obama thought that would be a good idea, because that's what happened.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:31 PM

2. Are you saying Supreme Court CHIEF JUSTICE Roberts is incompetent and should be impeached?

Because you are suggesting Chief Justice Roberts- appointed by the REPUBLICAN PARTY AND GEORGE BUSH, did not know what he was doing.

Is that what you are suggesting here



Yeah, Chief Justice Roberts is so silly that he will beg to be impeached for his silliness and President Obama will get to pick his replacement.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:39 PM

8. Silliness and incompetence

do not, by themselves, constitute impeachable offenses.

Actually I could suggest grounds for impeaching Roberts--such as his having lied under oath at his confirmation hearings--but realistically, it is not going to happen.

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Response to smalllivingeddy (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:45 PM

14. but

surely the ruling SCOTUS made on the ACA was based on SCOTUS, especially the CHIEF JUSTICE
knowing what it was he was ruling in.
Because this minutia here was already known at the time of the ruling.

In what world would Roberts now go against the very ruling he singlehandedly crafter the majority with?

He would forever stain his reputation, and never again would anything he does make sense.

And he knows what is coming in 2016 and that he will be on the minority side of the court for many years.

and he is one who likes majority rulings.

Roberts is not stupid. Has there ever been one case where the same justice overruled himself in another case
based on minutia as this is?

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:54 PM

18. I apologize.

I knew that I was going off on a tangent only remotely related to your point, and did it anyway.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:33 PM

3. The key is did the government intend for the federal exchange to take the place of states too cheap

 

or stupid to develop a state exchange. I think the answer is obvious to most, and I will be quite surprised if anyone but the most callous right wing Justice votes against the ACA based upon this.

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Response to CTA102 (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:34 PM

4. Well stated.

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Response to CTA102 (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:40 PM

9. I only bring it up

Because he is on record saying it was intentionally made confusing on that topic

As written the State Exchanges cannot receive Federal subsidies

The Administrstion says its a typo, Gruber says its written deceptively to tempt the states into the Federal exchange

No Subsidies and Obamacare implodes


(And I am in the 58% who'll be cheering when it does )

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:44 PM

11. Are you one of those that hates Obamacare, but like the Affordable Care Act?

 

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Response to CTA102 (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:51 PM

17. I am one of those

That think the Government needs to stay the Hell away from Healthcare

If you want to pass a helpful law allow health insurance to be sold nationwide (like auto insurance) to allow competition

Oh and it is NOT a Right, it's a commodity. You are not entitled to a Doctors Labor just by virtue of being here



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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 02:05 PM

20. I disagree with such callousness and feeling of entitlement because you have a few more bucks than

 

someone else when it comes to health care. But, that's really what separates right and left wingers.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 02:30 PM

22. OK, no more Medicare, Medicaid,

VA hospitals, Tricare, Indian Health Service, public health hospitals, subsidized emergency rooms...

I'm guessing well over half the US population relies on government for at least part of its health care, and you want government out of it?

While your at it, why not get rid of employer health plans, too? Let that free market for insurance take care of those employees.

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Response to Scary Red (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 02:50 PM

24. VA--Tricare

are not the same type of entitlement but were in fact incentives offered in lieu of compensation to military personnel who chose a military career path instead of using their skill set as civilians.

Thinking that medicaid and even SSI given to those who've never contributed to the tax system is somehow an equivalency to the VA/Tricare system isn't a solid analogy.

I'm not disagreeing with your premise, but those components are often touted as a form of delayed compensation, especially to those of us who served back when the monthly wage was about the same as, or a little less than, the prevailing minimum for those sitting at E-3 or lower and not much higher at the base level for those at E-4 to E-6.

I do think you touch on part of the problem issue in your last sentence, when health insurance was allowed as a component of compensation instead of receiving a higher wage it created this current fiasco we have now with health care insurance. We never allowed homeowners insurance or automobile insurance to be offered in lieu of compensation, it was a mistake to allow it for health insurance, but that gate's long been opened and the whole herd long gone for a reversal these days.

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Response to nolens volens (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 02:56 PM

25. I never said they were, just as

other payments for medical services may not be. But, they are all federal programs paying for health care. There are also state programs out there.

The point was made that government should just pull out of healthcare and my point is simply that government is so involved that it would be impossible.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:36 PM

6. Why is Gruber the key to the case?

I don't think anybody makes an appearance before the Supreme Court except the attorneys for the two (or more) sides. They don't play videos. The Justices usually ask questions while the attorneys try to make their cases in argument.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:38 PM

7. If Jonathan Gruber's mistake was made knowingly and wantonly

such that he becomes indictable for misrepresentation, then yes SCOTUS could kill it and Gruber will have to appear. However, we really don't know anything for sure, and since our government is now as crooked as a SA banana republic, we don't know what kind of money will change hands behind the scenes. I hope to hell Horrorcare is killed because what comes next makes what preceded it look like a walk in the park. That's my take.

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Response to joefriday6 (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:44 PM

12. The Supreme Court doesn't generally hear evidence.

The factual record is developed in the lower courts.

The U.S. Supreme Court and other Courts of Appeal decide questions of law as applicable to the developed record as presented in the briefs and argued by attorneys before them.

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Response to smalllivingeddy (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 02:45 PM

23. I know. I should have added "in some court". My bad.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:45 PM

13. Gruber!!!!!

 

Where is Bruce Willis when you need him?

Yippee-ACA other suckers!!

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Response to Cardinals1982 (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:47 PM

15. finally someone got my two older post references

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:58 PM

19. My prediction from back in the day on the ACA

There was no way in hell the scotus would strike it down. It was a tax that had not taken affect yet so their hands were tied.

Gruber has zero to do with crap right now (other than people like to say his name, etc). The scotus, imho, will strike down (at some point) the mandate. Congress will drag their feet until they do (though they will go through the usual motions they know won't do anything).

The exchanges will most likely get a pass by the court and they will compare it something like highway funds based on speed limits/etc and so on.

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Response to Strange Luck (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 02:05 PM

21. That sounds feasible

I just want feasible answers

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