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Thu Jan 1, 2015, 02:30 PM

Pope Francis drives wedge between Catholic Church, GOP

The magnetic pope has sparked new enthusiasm around the world for the church and has flexed his political muscles internationally, most recently by helping to engineer a new relationship between the United States and Cuba.


Catholics have long been considered an important voting block in American politics and have turned out for the winning presidential candidate in the last three cycles.
Since his papal inauguration in March 2013, the pontiff has publicly made policy remarks about income inequality and the environment that many American Catholics weren't used to hearing coming from the Vatican, and not just from the pulpit.
“Pope Francis's message and tone are making Catholic Republicans a little uncomfortable,” “He's stirring the concern on issues like poverty and the economy.”
Much more at the link:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/228289-pope-francis-splits-with-gop

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Reply Pope Francis drives wedge between Catholic Church, GOP (Original post)
LavenderGirl Jan 2015 OP
Strange Luck Jan 2015 #1
nolidad Jan 2015 #3
John Q Citizen Jan 2015 #4
nolidad Jan 2015 #29
John Q Citizen Jan 2015 #30
nolidad Jan 2015 #34
John Q Citizen Jan 2015 #35
nolidad Jan 2015 #36
John Q Citizen Jan 2015 #37
i verglas Jan 2015 #24
phaw Jan 2015 #39
Dexter Morgan Jan 2015 #5
Strange Luck Jan 2015 #7
Dexter Morgan Jan 2015 #9
_eek Jan 2015 #11
Supercalifragilistic Jan 2015 #38
Tarzan Jan 2015 #2
uncledad Jan 2015 #8
Tarzan Jan 2015 #10
uncledad Jan 2015 #12
Tarzan Jan 2015 #13
uncledad Jan 2015 #15
Tarzan Jan 2015 #16
uncledad Jan 2015 #19
Sheherazade Jan 2015 #31
uncledad Jan 2015 #32
exindy Jan 2015 #21
Tarzan Jan 2015 #22
Muzzlehatch Jan 2015 #6
Tarzan Jan 2015 #14
exindy Jan 2015 #20
i verglas Jan 2015 #25
Troll2 Jan 2015 #17
Bob the Bilderberger Jan 2015 #18
Slow Slicing Jan 2015 #23
Jimmy Calhoun Jan 2015 #27
orson Jan 2015 #26
LavenderGirl Jan 2015 #28
Silent But Deadly Jan 2015 #33

Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 02:54 PM

1. He cares about the poor, the climate, etc - no wonder the GOP doesn't like him

All those things stand in the way of THEIR God - cash.

The old GOP were god, country, family style folks.

Now? Money first, then family (if the wife is obedient and the kids don't report them when beaten with a rod), then company, then a country with slave labor prices and/or a leader that looks like them, then whichever church is making the most money and tells them what they want to hear.

And climate change? Holy crap - those are swear words to the right. On the one hand they say it is a scam to make money, but then they love when someone is making money no matter how it is made, so they had to give themselves an out so they also say 'liberals like it, so it is bad, ooga ooga'.

And if you can't point to climate change in the bible? It doesn't exist.

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Response to Strange Luck (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 03:22 PM

3. Thats why there is a new GOP growing

That cares about God, family, country. They are called the conservative wing of the GOP which guys like Boehner, McConnell, McCain dislike (for they are just democrat lite)

See we care deeply about the poor- but we believe in means testing, not just throwing money at problems blindly like the Libs do.

We care about the uninsured- but believe in following the constitution which forbids the federal govt. from making everyone buy insurance or pay a tax, and allow the states and towns which can do this work it out along with the dreaded private sector.

Well as you have made climate change your big bug a boo- why is even the IPCC admitting there has been a pause for over 18 years now, they admit sea ice on both poles is growing in volume and thickness and that more and more scientists are jumping off the AGW bandwagon. (Remember frozen woolly mammoths were found with tropiucal plants in their bellies so it was a whole lot warmer in Siberia long before man supposedly mucked up the world)

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Response to nolidad (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 03:26 PM

4. Means testing takes money to be thrown at it.

It's not free.

That's money that isn't feeding the poor.

You aren't for helping the poor; You are helping the means testers.

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Response to John Q Citizen (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:49 AM

29. like they do now with the multiple

layers of benefit programs and all the bureaucracy to run it?

What is your solution--just give taxpayers money to anyone who say they need it? With no means testiong to see if they really do?

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Response to nolidad (Reply #29)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 09:14 AM

30. Which multiple layers of what programs? It's easy to imagine

all kinds of things, real and imagined.

It's a lot harder to actually do the research to write knowledgeably about a specific program.

So which programs are you talking about? Defense procurement? Veterans benefits? Social Security?

What would you means test?

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Response to John Q Citizen (Reply #30)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 07:13 PM

34. This little known fact

The U.S. Department of Agriculture estimates that a total of 101,000,000 people currently participate in at least one of the 15 food programs offered by the agency, at a cost of $114 billion in fiscal year 2012.

That means the number of Americans receiving food assistance has surpassed the number of full-time private sector workers in the U.S.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), there were 97,180,000 full-time private sector workers in 2012.

Means testing is simple. A visit like they used to do. Then maybe run their social security # to see if income is being earned on it. You know like they used to do before the govt. decided that actually proving people needed assistance was un PC.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #34)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:46 PM

35. Food stamps (snap) is already means tested

So is student lunch assistance

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Response to John Q Citizen (Reply #35)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 08:06 PM

36. I'll tell that to the folks pulling down 70K

and getting EBT cards and their kids getting free lunches- federal means testing is a joke!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #36)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 08:12 PM

37. When you applied they didn't test you?

They tested me.

Why did you get special treatment? Probably because your are a conservative, Friends in high places.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 08:09 PM

24. is that all in the bible??

 

We care about the uninsured- but believe in following the constitution which forbids the federal govt. from making everyone buy insurance or pay a tax, and allow the states and towns which can do this work it out along with the dreaded private sector.
Wow, I didn't realize it got down to the nitty gritty like that. And here's me a once and former Sunday school teacher.

Must be in one of those places like Leviticus or Deuteronomy maybe.

God believes in states' rights. Who knew?

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Response to nolidad (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 15, 2015, 04:13 PM

39. bwahahaha. you may care about the poor but the national party clearly doesn't

 

care about the uninsured? Absurd. The repubs have done NOTHING ever to help those who are insured. And no, towns and states and the private sector have a shit record and towns and states don't have the $$$.
And if you knew anything about climate change you'd know that the temp stability (overall) is not indicative that there is no climate change. I posted earlier in another thread to a link explaining this phenomena.

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Response to Strange Luck (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 03:46 PM

5. If he cares so much about the poor why don't they sell some of those priceless arts in the Vatican?

The Vatican is a billion dollar company yet they are lecturing us to help poor people..Typical libs they want other peoples money to spend while saving their own..

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 03:59 PM

7. The pope is liberal? Oh, I see how it is with the right

"The pope says we should care about others! LIBERAL! What would Jesus do? Huh? Not that. Real conservatives don't follow the pope, well we follow the same god and stuff, but we know what he really meant in that book."

The pope is anti-abortion, anti-gay - both positions the right holds (no freedom for women to choose medical decisions - might upset god and he will punish us all! And gays...well, we know what cons want to happen to gays and we know that they believe god will send hurricanes on the US if we accept them in any way).

People use religion as an excuse to cover up their personal hatreds and bigotries.

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Response to Strange Luck (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 04:11 PM

9. So you are not gonna answer my question..Ok.....

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Response to Strange Luck (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 04:16 PM

11. "People use religion as an excuse to cover up their personal hatreds and bigotries."

And expose them as well...

dark mirrors, they should be viewed... carefully. Wouldn't wanna give the game away..

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Response to Strange Luck (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 08:28 PM

38. And the left loves the black folks who have these prejudices...

...doesn't it?

You say...
The pope is anti-abortion, anti-gay - both positions the right holds (no freedom for women to choose medical decisions - might upset god and he will punish us all! And gays...well, we know what cons want to happen to gays and we know that they believe god will send hurricanes on the US if we accept them in any way).

People use religion as an excuse to cover up their personal hatreds and bigotries.

What do you think the opinion of all of those black people filling the churches is of gays? Abortion? Hispanics and immigrants?

You know damn well those millions of deeply religious black folks that the left believe should automatically vote democrat are more socially conservative than most white GOPers. Yet, come election time, the liberals just love them some "bigoted black people", don't they?

Until the election is over of course, then it's back to your own problems for 20 months until the "two Americas" banner is dusted off for the midterms.

You're right. People do use their religion to cover up their bigotries. Liberals use elections to temporarily forgive those bigotries in favor of exploitation. Biggest hypocrites on earth.

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 03:16 PM

2. Catholics in the USA

tend to not follow the Pope as much as in other parts of the world. A good example where they didn't is birth control.

I was in Catholic school in 1960 and we were literally told that voting for Nixon would be a mortal sin. But I'll bet many Catholics voted for him anyway, and didn't feel they had sinned.

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Response to Tarzan (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 04:08 PM

8. As if a sixteen year old could vote.

And of course catholic women use birth control if they can. The better educated they are, the more likely they will use birth control.

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Response to uncledad (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 04:11 PM

10. I was in the 2nd grade.

They were telling us to go home and tell out parents. One kid came to school wearing a Nixon button. They sent him home with a note telling the parents this was not allowed. They treated him like Satan on earth after that.

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Response to Tarzan (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 04:20 PM

12. You must have a good memory.

Must have made a lasting impression on a seven year old.

Did you have nuns or brothers?

What order?

I had Benedictine's in grammar school and Sister's of Charity in high school.

Twelve years hard labor with no parole. Plus detention. And I have the scars to prove it.

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Response to uncledad (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 04:25 PM

13. Holy Cross nuns.

They all had taken male names. (Sister Theodore, Sister Edward, etc.)

Later at another school we had Franciscan nuns, all from Portugal.

I was only sentenced to six years.

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Response to Tarzan (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 04:48 PM

15. Any one who's been to the wars with the nuns qualifies as a survivor of high standing in my book.

Their Kung Fu was most impressive.

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Response to uncledad (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 04:52 PM

16. Sister Juliana in the 5th grade

had an 18" wooden ruler. Evil, but because of that ruler, I have no need for spell-check.

On the first day of school, she told us she did not like boys. Fun year.

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Response to Tarzan (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 05:33 PM

19. Been there. Done that.

Sister Ed said she liked boys. Barbecued mostly. But stewed would do, time permitting.

Kids don't know what they are missing these days.

Conjugating Latin verbs.
Cursive writing.
Geometry/algebra without a calculator. Ten questions, ten minutes. Go.
Translating Macbeth from old English and diagraming the sentences.

All under the all seeing eye of the Sister's.

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Response to uncledad (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 09:32 AM

31. ...and I bet

you benefited from that.
BTW, when I was in school (public) there were no such things as calculators.
I'm dealing with adults now in a remedial reading and math program; most of them have high school diplomas.

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Response to Sheherazade (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 03:51 PM

32. Yes, indeed.

I can do the math, I just do not enjoy it. It's just to cold. Though, I do like mechanics, engineering and architecture and have always had a fascination with physics.
Give me a book to read and I'm one happy camper. Best of what the world has to offer can be found between the pages of a book that interests you. You must have buckets of patience to do remedial teaching. Good luck.

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Response to Tarzan (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 06:15 PM

21. Don't fool yourself.

There's a very strong contingent of catholics in this country who are very close to the fundies.

Wasn't the big B/C thing in the ACA driven by the catholics? And then there's the refusal to provide intervention care for troubled deliveries in catholic hospitals.

There was a reason for that bishops letter that was shipped out during the 2004 election -- and it worked.

The catholics in the US are being put in a bind. They are more tied to gop ideology and their spiritual leader is causing waves.

Where's the popcorn?

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Response to exindy (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 06:21 PM

22. Living in California

I can agree that the Hispanics seem to follow the Pope more than other US Catholics. Especially on social issues. People think of California as very liberal, but the Hispanic vote caused gay marriage to fail at the ballot box here.

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 03:51 PM

6. This is worth watching/reading for the comedy self-centered American view alone

"Francis’s agenda ... is putting him at odds with Republicans"

He heads the Roman Catholic church. It's nearly 2000 years old, and has about 1 billion members. More than 10 times as old, and nearly 20 times larger than the most voters Republicans have ever got.

This reporter is absolutely clueless. Even though most of the story is about world politics, he can't get his head out of his arse long enough to realise that the USA is not the centre of the Catholic world. He thinks it's the Pope that is 'driving a wedge'. As if the Catholic church is meant to be associated with the US party of big business.

It's incredible that someone who knows so little about the world, in the internet era when you can read international news online, has been given a job in journalism. And, fuck, he has an editor who put this crap up!

The Hill is the village news sheet for the world's most self-obsessed people.

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Response to Muzzlehatch (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 04:27 PM

14. True. The Catholic Church

has way more influence in other parts of the world, like Latin America.

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Response to Muzzlehatch (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 06:06 PM

20. Everyone knows the US of A is exceptional

That we put that guy where he is today.

We're the boss of the internets and anytime we want we can shut off his words.

God put us in charge. Anybody who watches the 700 club knows that.



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Response to Muzzlehatch (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 08:29 PM

25. bravo

 

I was looking some things up before I got down to your post.

Ask the women of Chile what they think of the RC Church, just for instance. Emergency contraception, and of course abortion; are banned. The bishops failed to get other forms of contraception banned, but they tried. Divorce was finally made legally available in 2004, after the bishops fought tooth and nail against it.

North America and Europe are easy pickings, since nobody who doesn't want to needs to pay the slightest heed to the Pope and his cronies. Women in places like Chile and Ireland die because of them. And of course then there are the lives lost in areas where HIV infection is prevalent among people who are not even Catholic but whose access to condoms has long been hindered by the RC church's collusion with other kinds of fundamentalist states to prevent distribution.

Women have been confined to the back of the RC bus for a long time ... or more accurately under its wheels ... and that isn't about to change with this new warm and fuzzy Pope. And women die as a result. The Pope can stuff it.

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 05:03 PM

17. There's just as big a gap between US Catholics and the Pope as between them and the GOP.

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 05:22 PM

18. Most of the Catholic clergy

in Central and South America are Marxists. He got promoted because he was better at it than most.

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 08:03 PM

23. This is wonderful.

I love watching Christians get upset at the message of Jesus.

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Response to Slow Slicing (Reply #23)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 12:06 AM

27. +1000

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Thu Jan 1, 2015, 09:15 PM

26. Can I get a magnetic pope for the door of my fridge?

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 03:51 PM

33. Good for Frankie! NT

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