Politicsliberals

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 05:23 PM

A history lesson for liberals. Facts about the Crusades liberals ignore















56 replies, 3766 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 56 replies Author Time Post
Reply A history lesson for liberals. Facts about the Crusades liberals ignore (Original post)
Dixie Feb 2015 OP
MediterraneanMadMan Feb 2015 #1
Dixie Feb 2015 #4
MediterraneanMadMan Feb 2015 #7
Satan Feb 2015 #2
Dixie Feb 2015 #5
Gunslinger201 Feb 2015 #3
Dixie Feb 2015 #6
JosephNobles Feb 2015 #8
oldenuff35 Feb 2015 #10
JosephNobles Feb 2015 #15
oldenuff35 Feb 2015 #26
JosephNobles Feb 2015 #28
oldenuff35 Feb 2015 #29
JosephNobles Feb 2015 #35
Muggles Feb 2015 #24
oldenuff35 Feb 2015 #27
Trainman95630 Feb 2015 #36
MoreCowbell Feb 2015 #30
Dixie Feb 2015 #11
JosephNobles Feb 2015 #14
Dixie Feb 2015 #16
JosephNobles Feb 2015 #17
Trainman95630 Feb 2015 #18
JosephNobles Feb 2015 #19
MoreCowbell Feb 2015 #31
island4diver Feb 2015 #37
JosephNobles Feb 2015 #42
island4diver Feb 2015 #43
JosephNobles Feb 2015 #48
island4diver Feb 2015 #49
JosephNobles Feb 2015 #51
island4diver Feb 2015 #53
JosephNobles Feb 2015 #55
island4diver Feb 2015 #56
WhiskeyMakesMeHappy Feb 2015 #9
Miss Quay Feb 2015 #12
opspec2c Feb 2015 #20
Miss Quay Feb 2015 #21
opspec2c Feb 2015 #23
Miss Quay Feb 2015 #33
Dixie Feb 2015 #25
Miss Quay Feb 2015 #34
MoreCowbell Feb 2015 #40
Miss Quay Feb 2015 #47
island4diver Feb 2015 #38
MoreCowbell Feb 2015 #39
Miss Quay Feb 2015 #45
Hades Feb 2015 #41
Miss Quay Feb 2015 #46
Hades Feb 2015 #50
Miss Quay Feb 2015 #52
Zutak Feb 2015 #13
MoreCowbell Feb 2015 #32
tikal Feb 2015 #22
Zutak Feb 2015 #44
Letmypeoplevote Feb 2015 #54

Response to Dixie (Original post)

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 05:26 PM

1. Heh

 

How in the hell did you somehow get the same video as I did? Great minds think alike......................(yes, mine is much greater obviously, but you get the point)

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MediterraneanMadMan (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 05:36 PM

4. Yes indeed. :)

I came across the first video just recently on another forum I read (CalGuns.net). It might be a California website, but, its a really good forum actually. The two other videos I just happened to noticed off to the side of the youtube page when viewing the first vid.

But its nice to see someone posting the history regarding this subject and in the correct context.



Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Dixie (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 05:52 PM

7. Heh

 

Hell I came upon it by total chance, just clicking through YouTube really, which is what made it so odd to me that we somehow had the same one......................hell I don't know shit about this stuff, just the minimum basics, which amazingly is more than 99.999% of the rest of the population knows.....................without the liberals included in that figure the percentage would drop significantly though obviously.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Dixie (Original post)

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 05:27 PM

2. "Satan laughing, spreads his wings....."

The things you mortals have done to yourselves in the name of religion.

My Former Employer isn't impressed. And I'm merely amused....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Satan (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 05:36 PM

5. Love Black Sabbath

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Dixie (Original post)

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 05:30 PM

3. I saw the 1st video earlier today

Sums it up nicely I think

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 05:38 PM

6. I thought it summed it up nicely too

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Dixie (Original post)

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 05:58 PM

8. Got some that defend Christian brutality in Jim Crow laws?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JosephNobles (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 06:34 PM

10. You got it those christian democrats were pure crap imposing all of those laws on

non whites... Facts just keep getting in the way.....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 07:17 PM

15. So you're cool dumping on Christians when they're Democrats.

OK, then.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JosephNobles (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 8, 2015, 03:35 AM

26. your post is totally ignorant. as in no knowledge ignorant.

LOL I have stated before in here that I'm not a christian. So your wanna be cheap shot comment failed miserably.

Try again only this time try to say something that is relevant to me.

Yes the democrats were responsible for the jim crow laws.

Now they make excuses/lies and try and to dodge responsibility.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #26)

Sun Feb 8, 2015, 04:39 AM

28. I don't care that you're not a Christian.

But we've established that you're going with dumping on Christians if they're Democrats.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JosephNobles (Reply #28)

Sun Feb 8, 2015, 04:50 AM

29. so it is ok if they are republicans??

that line of thought seems to be somewhat bigoted to me. I guess it works for you.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #29)

Sun Feb 8, 2015, 06:05 AM

35. Pay attention.

The OP seeks to defend Christians for the Crusades, while ignoring Obama's remarks about Jim Crow violence. When I bring up that Christian violence, people keep telling me those Christians were Democrats. Sure, if they want to believe only Democrats lynched black people or helped to pass and enforce Jim Crow laws, then they're free to do so. Not my business to correct them.

My concern at that point is only haggling over when it's OK for us to attack Christians. So far we have established it's OK when they're Democrats. Another poster in another thread has suggested (quite entertainingly) that it's when they are black too, but I don't think anyone else is willing to endorse that notion.

I'm not saying it's OK to attack Christians when they are Democrats or Republicans. I'm suggesting we do so when they commit genocide and wage cruel, despicable wars or campaigns of terror. And I'm also suggesting we do so when they pretend it's all the other religions that do things like that, not them. Judging them by the content of their character, in other words, not the banner on their chest.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 10:01 PM

24. he's right. conservatives used to be democrats.

then they became republicans.

facts keep getting in the way.

http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=352136

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Muggles (Reply #24)

Sun Feb 8, 2015, 03:38 AM

27. the only thing that post demonstrates is that

your party was born in racism. That is where they came from, not far from it either. They just developed a different type of plantation.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #27)

Sun Feb 8, 2015, 07:22 AM

36. Great post

 

well done sir

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Muggles (Reply #24)

Sun Feb 8, 2015, 04:59 AM

30. That's incredibly ignorant...

but par for the LIbEral course. Funny thing, I was never a (D)emocrat. That would seem to be impossible, now wouldn't it?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JosephNobles (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 06:37 PM

11. Oh....you mean the Jim Crow laws brought about by the Democrats.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Dixie (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 07:15 PM

14. Predictable as always.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JosephNobles (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 07:18 PM

16. Well.....The truth is the truth.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Dixie (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 07:21 PM

17. So as long as the Christians are Democrats, you're good with dumping on them.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JosephNobles (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 07:56 PM

18. Jim Crow was mostly a democrat party doctrine

 

you know the party you swear fealty to .

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Trainman95630 (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 08:05 PM

19. So dumping on Christians is OK when they're Democrats?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JosephNobles (Reply #19)

Sun Feb 8, 2015, 05:01 AM

31. Does asking the same questions repeatedly

quiet the voices in your head?

I sure doesn't win you any arguments.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JosephNobles (Reply #8)

Sun Feb 8, 2015, 11:43 AM

37. those brutalized by Jim Crow

were also Christian. Even though one denomination defended it (Southern Baptist) I don't know of any other denomination that did. It also wasn't motivated by religion. It was about political power and social order. If you didn't discriminate, the church elders didn't do anything, the local government sent people with badges and guns to deal with you.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to island4diver (Reply #37)

Sun Feb 8, 2015, 07:07 PM

42. I'm not seeing much of a defense of Christian brutality in that response of yours, island.

Those brutalized were also Christians. OK. Doesn't change the fact that those doing the brutalizing were Christian.

Only one denomination defended it. **looking at you funny** This doesn't change the fact that those doing the brutalizing were Christian. In fact, it underlines it.

It wasn't motivated by religion - it was about political power and social order. Because religion never, ever concerns itself with such matters... Please inform yourself on the "delightful" doctrines surrounding the curse of Ham. Religion was indeed a motivational force in lynchings and Jim Crow laws. Good Christians one and all passed those laws. Good Christians one and all enforced them. And good Christians one and all shoved those laws aside and pulled out the rope when it was hanging time.

"If you didn't discriminate, the church elders didn't do anything, the local government sent people with badges and guns to deal with you."

This statement shows a real lack of awareness of how lynchings happened. Again, educate yourself.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JosephNobles (Reply #42)

Sun Feb 8, 2015, 07:36 PM

43. I'm quite well educated on the subject

The fact that they were, or claimed to be, Christians isn't relevant anymore than the fact that most libertarians are atheists. They would have passed the laws if they worshiped Baal.
The story's original objective was to justify the subjection of the Canaanites to the Israelites, but in later centuries, the narrative was interpreted by some [b>Muslims, Jews and Christians as an explanation for black skin, as well as slavery. Nevertheless, most Christian denominations and all Jewish denominations strongly disagree with such interpretations due to the fact that in the biblical text, Ham himself is not cursed and race or skin color is never mentioned.]

Does that also explain the trans
Saharan slave trade, or is that being Islamaphobic?

It was about power and social order.
All lynchings, or just lynchings in the South? The reason I ask is that where I'm from, most of the lynchings were white people lynching other whites.
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/lynchingsstate.html

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to island4diver (Reply #43)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 12:13 AM

48. Nice.

Claimed to be Christians? Are you sure you want to go down that route?

Because of course you know, being as well educated as you are, that such a line would sound an awful lot like Obama saying ISIS aren't actually Muslim. And to hear the defenders of Christianity (such as yourself right here in this thread) say that the good Christians one and all - who did the Jim Crow law passing and the lynching of black and white Christians alike - weren't actually Christians...

Well, that would be an affirmation of the tactic used by Obama, wouldn't it? Can't be doing that, can you?

So maybe reconsider the "claiming to be Christians" line, yeah? Yeah.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JosephNobles (Reply #48)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 12:21 AM

49. not what I said at all

Religious fanaticism is motivating ISIS. Political power and control motivated Jim Crow.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to island4diver (Reply #49)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 12:35 AM

51. I know what you said. But you are wrong.

Good Christians knew God cursed Ham. Good Christians knew segregation was in the Bible. Good Christians knew what they had to do.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JosephNobles (Reply #51)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 10:34 AM

53. segregation isn't in the Bible

I have no business saying who is and isn't a real (fill in the blank). Since Obama is a Christian, he doesn't have any business saying who is and who isn't a real Muslim anymore than I do as a nonspecific theist

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink



Response to JosephNobles (Reply #55)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 07:57 PM

56. good for them

Bob Jones was also Southern Baptist.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Dixie (Original post)

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 06:17 PM

9. Excellent, thank you for posting.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Dixie (Original post)

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 06:52 PM

12. Liberals read books and go to college.

We do not get our knowledge of history from infomercials.

Thanks for letting us know where you are coming from though.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Miss Quay (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 08:14 PM

20. Yeah, but the books you read have odd titles like

A History Of Those Evil Old White Guys

Famous Unprovoked Genocides And The Christians Who Perpetrated Them

Everything I Need To Know About Racism I Learned From My White Liberal Professor

Why You Didn't Build That

The Stare Rape Crisis

Better Living Through Feticide

Gimme A Dollar: A Treatise On How The Check You Just Earned Is Really Half Mine

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to opspec2c (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 08:30 PM

21. Funny. You have to make shit up.

Which only proves your ignorance.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Miss Quay (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 08:38 PM

23. Oh, I forgot one

Thomas Jefferson Was A Big Fat Slave-Rapin' White Guy: Why The Founding Fathers Sucked

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to opspec2c (Reply #23)

Sun Feb 8, 2015, 05:25 AM

33. that's it.

Double down on the dumb.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Miss Quay (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 10:18 PM

25. Unfortunately for liberals Dr. Seuss doesn't count

I'm just saying...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Dixie (Reply #25)

Sun Feb 8, 2015, 05:26 AM

34. I will post my reading list if you really want to learn.

But I won't hold my breath.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Miss Quay (Reply #34)

Sun Feb 8, 2015, 04:35 PM

40. Put up...

..or shut up.

Let's see this list of incontrovertible knowledge and ageless wisdom.

We'll wait until you do all the prerequisite Googling and Wikipedia searching.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MoreCowbell (Reply #40)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 12:05 AM

47. No need for Wiki.

I can just snatch a few titles off my bookshelf to share with you. I read them before conservatives began graduating from University of Google.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink



Response to Miss Quay (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 8, 2015, 04:32 PM

39. Reading a book....

and understanding a book are two separate things.

I have seen little evidence of the latter.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MoreCowbell (Reply #39)

Sun Feb 8, 2015, 11:59 PM

45. And I have seen no evidence of the former from conservatives.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Miss Quay (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 8, 2015, 04:38 PM

41. I'm not a liberal.

I have a BS and a Master's.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Hades (Reply #41)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 12:00 AM

46. Good for you.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Miss Quay (Reply #46)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 12:29 AM

50. But I am educated...

...so maybe you need some other form of insult to those that do not see your views?

Perhaps some people are just jackasses?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Hades (Reply #50)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 03:58 AM

52. The OP began as an insult thread.

So maybe not.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Dixie (Original post)

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 06:55 PM

13. PSA for conservatives: This sort of information exists in non-bullshit form.

You could actually try to learn something by reading almost any serious book on the topic, or you can seek out cartoons from some crackpot.

The problem with legitimate learning is, however, that reputable works of history tend not to frame themselves in terms of "who started it" because only a mental child thinks about 1000 year old events in those terms.

I happened to know the stuff in that first cartoon, but managed to acquire the knowledge as knowledge, without the asinine commentary on how I am supposed to feel about that well known set of facts.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Zutak (Reply #13)

Sun Feb 8, 2015, 05:04 AM

32. You mean....

as opposed to the cartoons you post because, of course they're better cartoons?

Yeah, sure......

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Dixie (Original post)

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 08:34 PM

22. In scholarship, sins of omission

are often worse than falsehoods. Everything mentioned in the video is historically accurate. Why you would call it a history lesson for liberals is odd. What the producer neglects to mention is that the centuries long struggle between the West and Islam has ended in total victory for the West, that the Crusades were only a footnote of that struggle, that by the middle of the 16th century the expansion of Islam had been halted, by the beginning of the 18th century the advances of Islam in Europe had had been largely rolled back and by the early 20th century the Islamic world had been subjugated by Western powers and remains so. The problem I have with your position is the implication that Islam has a history of imperialist expansion and the West does not. The paintings of savage Mohammedans and the crusader precursors to the glorious Knights of the Invisible Empire must have been included for the benefit of people who don't read much.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to tikal (Reply #22)

Sun Feb 8, 2015, 11:03 PM

44. Your excellent post is wasted



Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Dixie (Original post)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 02:03 PM

54. Despite Wingnut Freakout, Obama Is Right: Christian Violence Is Just as Bad as Muslim Violence

Here are some more facts for the conservatives to ignore http://www.alternet.org/belief/despite-wingnut-freakout-obama-right-christian-violence-just-bad-muslim-violence

This week, President Obama met with Muslim leaders in a private political meeting for the first time in his six-year presidency. The meeting set off predicatable angry reactions from the political right, with Fox News' Sean Hannity even saying he wished Obama had demanded that the leaders publicly denounce radical Islam. Obama further raised the hackles of the Christian right when he said at the National Prayer Breakfast that no religion has a monopoly on violence, saying, "And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. Slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ."...

In the spring of 2013, Middle East historian Juan Cole decided to compare the body counts between violence committed by Christians and that committed by Muslims in the 20th century. He found that Muslim violence has claimed the lives of around 2 million people, mostly during the Iran-Iraq war and the war in Afghanistan, while violence by Christians claimed the lives of close to 100 million people. Here's what that looks like on a pie graph:

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Politicsliberals