Politicsmemine

Wed Feb 11, 2015, 10:56 PM

I CARE about people, I have FRIENDS.

I am a Liberal - I have friends, I care about people.

Politically, I self-identify as a Progressive - I want to see Progress in our Political system. 3 steps forward + 2 steps back still equals 1 step forward. I'm willing to compromise as long as our country moves forward and not backward. This means not always doing what I think is "right" - but what I feel is "expedient". As long as I feel our country is Progressing.

There are many who disagree with me - good! I don't suspect that I am perfect. As long as we progress, not go backwards. For everyone, not just me. Because I care about people.

There are some here who seem to care about no one but themselves. And, they expect everyone else to think as they do.There are some who brag about their own salaries. There are some who post "how have YOU benefited..." ignoring the good for the masses that such actions have taken.

If a FRIEND of mine is doing better, then it makes my heart lighter. I might not be Gay, but I have a lot of friends who are - and if THEY are able to serve in the Armed Services openly (I have a friend who I suspect is Gay who recently joined the National Guard) or able to marry the person they love, I am happy (even though I am divorced and am down on marriage). Because their happiness makes me happy.

If you Google "definition sociopath" you will come across this entry:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sociopath

A sociopath is mainly identified by there being something very wrong with a person's conscious. They either 1) have a conscious with "holes" in it, 2)they don't seem to have one at all or 3) they are able to completely neutralize their sense of conscious into a perspective that they aren't doing anything wrong.
One thing is for sure: Sociopaths only care about themselves and only see themselves as being "real" or truely human. Everybody and everything outside of themselves are twisted in their mind into mere objects to be used to achieve personal fulfillment.
A sociopath oftin {sic} believes that they are doing nothing wrong or doing something greatly good, due to their egocentricity and grandiose sense of self-worth. They will cold-bloodedly take what they want and do as they please at any expense of anyone in their lives; predators who satisfy their lust for power and control through superficial charm, manipulation, intimidation, and violence.


Sound familiar?

In the words of the Late, Great George Harrison of The Beatles:

All through the day, I me mine
I me mine, I me mine
All through the night, I me mine
I me mine, I me mine
Now they're frightened of leaving it
Everyone's weaving it
Coming on strong all the time
All through the day I me mine

I-I-me-me-mine, I-I-me-me-mine
I-I-me-me-mine, I-I-me-me-mine

All I can hear, I me mine
I me mine, I me mine
Even those tears, I me mine
I me mine, I me mine
No-one's frightened of playing it
Everyone's saying it
Flowing more freely than wine
All through the day I me mine

I-I-me-me mine, I-I-me-me mine
I-I-me-me mine, I-I-me-me mine

All I can hear, I me mine
I me mine, I me mine
Even those tears, I me mine
I me mine, I me mine
No-one's frightened of playing it
Everyone's saying it
Flowing more freely than wine
All through your life I me mine All through the day, I me mine
I me mine, I me mine
All through the night, I me mine
I me mine, I me mine
Now they're frightened of leaving it
Everyone's weaving it
Coming on strong all the time
All through the day I me mine

I-I-me-me-mine, I-I-me-me-mine
I-I-me-me-mine, I-I-me-me-mine

All I can hear, I me mine
I me mine, I me mine
Even those tears, I me mine
I me mine, I me mine
No-one's frightened of playing it
Everyone's saying it
Flowing more freely than wine
All through the day I me mine

I-I-me-me mine, I-I-me-me mine
I-I-me-me mine, I-I-me-me mine

All I can hear, I me mine
I me mine, I me mine
Even those tears, I me mine
I me mine, I me mine
No-one's frightened of playing it
Everyone's saying it
Flowing more freely than wine
All through your life I me mine

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Reply I CARE about people, I have FRIENDS. (Original post)
johnaries01 Feb 2015 OP
MoreCowbell Feb 2015 #1
johnaries01 Feb 2015 #2
Squeek Feb 2015 #11
Immacolata Feb 2015 #3
Thomas Feb 2015 #5
Immacolata Feb 2015 #9
Stars Feb 2015 #12
Dexter Morgan Feb 2015 #10
TexMex Feb 2015 #7
Dexter Morgan Feb 2015 #24
762Justice Feb 2015 #47
the more you know Feb 2015 #57
Dexter Morgan Feb 2015 #4
Crazy D Feb 2015 #6
Dexter Morgan Feb 2015 #26
johnaries01 Feb 2015 #8
Dexter Morgan Feb 2015 #13
johnaries01 Feb 2015 #18
Dexter Morgan Feb 2015 #25
johnaries01 Feb 2015 #28
Dexter Morgan Feb 2015 #31
Crazy D Feb 2015 #33
Dexter Morgan Feb 2015 #38
Crazy D Feb 2015 #41
Dexter Morgan Feb 2015 #45
Crazy D Feb 2015 #49
johnaries01 Feb 2015 #50
Dexter Morgan Feb 2015 #51
johnaries01 Feb 2015 #54
Dexter Morgan Feb 2015 #56
johnaries01 Feb 2015 #58
shortviking Feb 2015 #59
Daves Not Here Man Feb 2015 #23
Doctor_R Feb 2015 #16
johnaries01 Feb 2015 #19
Doctor_R Feb 2015 #21
Ax Crazy Feb 2015 #40
nopoliticalsaviors Feb 2015 #14
Outer_Limits Feb 2015 #15
City Kitty Feb 2015 #17
Outer_Limits Feb 2015 #20
City Kitty Feb 2015 #22
Frederick55 Feb 2015 #27
johnaries01 Feb 2015 #29
Frederick55 Feb 2015 #34
johnaries01 Feb 2015 #52
Frederick55 Feb 2015 #53
johnaries01 Feb 2015 #55
Frederick55 Feb 2015 #60
kcci Feb 2015 #35
Frederick55 Feb 2015 #37
kcci Feb 2015 #39
Frederick55 Feb 2015 #42
kcci Feb 2015 #43
Frederick55 Feb 2015 #44
Outer_Limits Feb 2015 #61
Jack Burton Feb 2015 #30
kc_tim Feb 2015 #36
Frederick55 Feb 2015 #46
Defiant11 Feb 2015 #32
Currentsitguy Feb 2015 #48

Response to johnaries01 (Original post)

Wed Feb 11, 2015, 11:08 PM

1. Sound familiar?

Sure does.

Sounds like a component of every single LIbEral I have ever known. You do realize that definition describes your current Lightbringer to a "T".

Charm

The most useful tool of a sociopath is charm. Sociopaths are able to turn on the smile or ake advantage of social situations to lure people into their web. Ted Bundy, for instance, would sometimes feign an injury like putting an arm into a sling to elicit sympathy. This charm is why some sociopaths, despite the personality disorder, can have marital relationships.



Narcissism

Sociopaths also tend to be narcissistic and exaggerators, especially when it comes to their personal skills and abilities. They might create lofty, long-term goals that require special skills that the sociopath may not truly have but believes he or she does. Sociopaths can also be known to brag about crimes they have gotten away with, sensing pride in outsmarting the public or authority.


As I said, to a "T"






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Response to MoreCowbell (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 11, 2015, 11:16 PM

2. " a perspective that they aren't doing anything wrong."

I me mine, I me mine, I me mine.

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Response to johnaries01 (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 11, 2015, 11:43 PM

11. Yes, a perspective

that they aren't doing anything wrong.

Some time ago, on the old DU2, I had a bit of a dustup with someone who was growing pot on some land of his. The government found out and destroyed it, and I guess he got some sort of punishment.

It was a big whinefest and this person just could not understand that he was doing something wrong.

Not morally. Legally.

I'm not against pot. Don't like it myself, but I don't care who else wants to use it. I'd actually prefer to see it legalized because it's no better or worse than booze, but whatever.

What this guy couldn't understand was that according to the laws at the time, what he was doing was wrong. And if someone knows he's doing wrong (according to the laws at that time), don't go whining about the consequences.

So. Some people don't know they're doing wrong, and others do, but don't care. Is knowing but not caring also a sign of a sociopath?


Tell us all again how one party or the other can claim to be totally devoid of such thoughts and behavior.

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Response to MoreCowbell (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 11, 2015, 11:17 PM

3. Internet psychologists.

Spare us. You're not qualified to diagnose a hangnail, much less a personality disorder.

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 11, 2015, 11:29 PM

5. No, YOU spare us. Your recipes are bland

 

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Response to Thomas (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 11, 2015, 11:37 PM

9. LMAO!

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Response to Thomas (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 11, 2015, 11:47 PM

12. OMMF!!!

*snicker*

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 11, 2015, 11:41 PM

10. and the person who posted the OP is?

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Response to MoreCowbell (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 11, 2015, 11:35 PM

7. Isn't being black enough?

 

Let us be honest here, the right hates having a black man in office. We all know the RW core value of hatred. So why go and guild the lily? You don't need to over sell it with all the emperor, sociopath, Hitler, Stalin, Tojo, Marx, Czar, Tzar, Muslim-in-Chief bullshit.

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Response to TexMex (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 11:32 AM

24. Playing the race card how original..

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Response to TexMex (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 01:34 PM

47. That is pretty trite.

I thought you would be better than that.

Ignoring all criticism of a political figure as the result of a nasty personality trait (racism) is weak thinking. There has been strong disagreement with many political figures of all sides, by all sides for many years. To brush it all all off as "you don't like him because he is black" is doing yourself no service whatsoever in the critical thinking department.

Are there people that dislike the fact he is black? Yes there are. Would that be the reasoning behind most of the opposition to him? No, unless all of the non-Democrats from years past suddenly decided that blackness superseded all the things they had disliked about past Democrats from prior administrations and public positions.

Did you dislike Bush due to his drawl? Possibly due to his ability to fly an airplane? Or did you dislike him for his policies and actions? Would you feel that it was a valid argument, if whenever you objected to an action or policy championed by GWB, that your concerns were dismissed due to you being Anti-Texan? Even if you were a Texan yourself?

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Response to TexMex (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 13, 2015, 05:08 PM

57. Do you people on the left realize how utterly

fucking stupid it sounds when your only reply is "racism"?

You want to be honest? Let's really be honest, you know damned well that what you said is a lie but you said it anyway because you don't have any better reply than to throw the race card. You know it evokes emotion in people who think like you do so you do it even though you know it's a lie.

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Response to johnaries01 (Original post)

Wed Feb 11, 2015, 11:25 PM

4. "I'm willing to compromise as long as our country moves forward and not backward".

Doesn't sound like you want to compromise..
Your deciding the definition of moving forward or backwards

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 11, 2015, 11:34 PM

6. Compromise to a far left liberal is

If you don't do it 100% my way your a racist teabagger

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Response to Crazy D (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 11:37 AM

26. Yep poster just informed me i am going backwards cause i want lower taxes,less gov intrusion.

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 11, 2015, 11:37 PM

8. "Your deciding the definition of moving forward or backwards"

Very good! That's the first thing we should do - establish mutual definitions. What would YOU define as Moving forward or Moving backward? Perhaps our definitions are the basis of our perceived differences.

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Response to johnaries01 (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 11, 2015, 11:50 PM

13. Lower taxes and less government intrusion...

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 12:25 AM

18. Less government "intrusion" into what?

Sounds to me like you're going backwards, into the 1800's or perhaps the 1700's. I'm sorry, you'll have to be more specific if you REALLY want to compromise.

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Response to johnaries01 (Reply #18)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 11:35 AM

25. See you don't want to compromise you are telling me i am going backwards..

Thats what liberal do, they say they want to compromise but only if you do what they want....

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #25)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 11:49 AM

28. Seems to me that you are the one who doesn't

believe in compromise.

I do agree that the tax code needs to be reformed. Can we work with that?

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Response to johnaries01 (Reply #28)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 12:01 PM

31. What do you mean by "reformed"?

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #31)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 12:35 PM

33. The "rich" pay more of course

And the far left gets to define who they consider "rich" (don't worry, they'll find ways of exempting themselves)

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Response to Crazy D (Reply #33)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 01:00 PM

38. Thats why i asked for a definition of "reformed".

My original post was "lower taxes" ,poster agrees with me taxes needs to be reformed...
As usual libs can't compromise unless you do it their way....

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #38)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 01:11 PM

41. What the left wants to ignore is people really don't want more taxes

And they loath it when someone proposes it.

Take the recent dust up on taxing peoples college saving plans to pay for that 2 year free college proposal....it died real fast. I think the next step will be taxing Roth 401K's and all investments anyone might have.....if you can afford to invest in the market then according to some you must be "rich"

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Response to Crazy D (Reply #41)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 01:26 PM

45. Yep if you can afford to have investments "you need to pay your fair share"...

And guess which party always defines what "fair share " is....

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #45)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 01:38 PM

49. Yeap, the left here would consider me "rich"

Because between a small inheritance I got 2009 and what small amount I made from the sale of my house before the 2008 crash I took that and invested it so I get a few 1000 dollars extra per year extra income.

It helps, and lets me not have to work overtime to buy toys for myself. I figure it'll also help when I retire in 10 years (I'm 57 now)....unless the left decides investments are bad for all (like saving for college for you child is bad )

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #31)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 05:14 PM

50. Why don't you work something up

and throw it at me. Being two different human beings, we'll agree on some points and disagree on some.Then we can talk out our disagreements and why we disagree.

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Response to johnaries01 (Reply #50)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 05:18 PM

51. Lower taxes for everyone..

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #51)

Fri Feb 13, 2015, 04:26 PM

54. That will increase the deficit.

The Laffer curve has been debunked - in reality. We need some ideas that are deficit neutral.

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Response to johnaries01 (Reply #54)

Fri Feb 13, 2015, 04:45 PM

56. "We need some ideas that are deficit neutral". As i said you are a liberal you are not interested

in compromise unless we do it your way..
Good day your posts are starting to bore me...

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #56)

Fri Feb 13, 2015, 11:11 PM

58. I am looking for areas we can "compromise"

seems to me that you are blocking any possible compromise. Seems to me that YOU are guilty of insisting on "doing it your way" rather than "compromise".

If you want to compromise, you have to give me something. Anything.

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Response to johnaries01 (Reply #28)

Fri Feb 13, 2015, 11:29 PM

59. It's not reform unless 99% of people don't have to file taxes.

 

Otherwise it's nothing but making a century of torturing people via the IRS slightly less torture, but still torture.

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 07:03 AM

23. See! We agree!

Less taxes..check!
Less intrusion on gay marriage..check!
Less intrusion into countries..check!
Less intrusion from the NSA..check!
Less intrusion in my pot..uh...check!


I knew we were on the same page, Dex! Now let's get you back to filming, cause I miss that show. Mediocre ending not quite what I had in mind. But still love it.

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Response to johnaries01 (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 12:10 AM

16. Redefining the word "utility" is a bad idea.

0's decision to regulate the internet is a bad idea.

The legal definition of a "public utility is:

"A public utility is a business that furnishes an everyday necessity to the public at large."

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Public+Utilities

The internet is not an "everyday necessity." But, of course, that won't matter to the guy who just seems to think he knows better than the rest of us. He's changed laws before, just because. One look at 0care gives you all the evidence you need.

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Response to Doctor_R (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 12:35 AM

19. Actually, we tried a version of the alternative

before, and it didn't work. Remember the original AOL, the content provider? Try multiplying that by 100. Seems to me that anyone supporting "The Free Market" would support making the internet truly "Free". That sites are able to provide the content that they desire, without being "throttled back" by fees that many of us cannot afford.

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Response to johnaries01 (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 12:49 AM

21. Glad you put the word

"FREE" in quotes. As you well know, NOTHING is "free." If you define the word "free" as "No cost to the user," this ain't the way to go. Right now, the internet is as "free" as it's ever going to be. As soon as government, ANY government gets involved, the "free" ride is over. Governments see the internet as a huge untapped source of income.

Right now, I pay $120.00 per month for cable TV and internet. If the federal government gets what they want with this bill, you can bet that will double, counting all the fees and taxes. You'll be paying by the megabyte of data, similar to your cell phone bill, or what California is thinking about doing with highway usage fees in lieu of gas taxes: Charging you by the mile. This is a bad idea, and it will have the opposite of the desired effect, just as most liberal ideas end up.

I say NO to ANOTHER government takeover of the free market.

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Response to johnaries01 (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 01:07 PM

40. This is an interesting starting point.

"Progress" is an awfully complex idea, so we'd have to discuss specific issues one at a time.

Let's start with taxes. You mentioned in a response to another poster that you would support reforming the tax code. I'm in favor of a proposal called the "FairTax". Are you familiar with it?

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Response to johnaries01 (Original post)

Wed Feb 11, 2015, 11:54 PM

14. The Hollow Gospel Of Modern Liberalism

Modern Liberalism calls for talk about changing people - sort of a hearts and minds program - and see that as a prerequisite to political success. People are to be converted - educated or whatever - to become like-minded people. The problem is that this conversion program is not political. Converting people to be more like liberals - in sentiment, preferences, likes and dislikes - is a big job, and a useless one, as well, politically. The idea there is that social problems are caused by individual people being bad - violent, bigoted, wasteful, stupid - and that social problems can be solved by converting individual people to be good, as”we” are - loving, kind, caring, peaceful.

Almost everyone in the general public has already heard it all, and things get worse, not better. Now what?

At the same time, you can't go an hour without hearing some apology for "success" usually accompanied by a "what can you do" shrug, or encouragement and admiration for any "clever" or "realistic" moves you have made...

This "success" mentality will tolerate no serious discussion of social or political problems. Let's say someone wants to talk about this or that happening in their life, whatever - his career, his life (which is all anyone ever wants to talk about) - and you want to talk about public transit. Not the personal "green" choice of riding a bike or public transit to work - that would be about the person's individual life again - but actually have an intelligent and serious conversation about public transportation for all the people.

Good luck, right?

People immediately get impatient - why would anyone want to talk about that?

If it was a special interest of yours, like a hobby, well then fine except "I am not really into that." It is OK to have hobbies, and people are free to ignore you because they are "not into that" as a hobby activity or interest.

People will ask "what good does it do for you to be interested in public transit?" They don't mean to question the social value of discussing that, they mean how does it advance you personally?

Are you planning a career in "the field?"

Are you an "expert?" Is it making you money, is it increasing your social status?

The pressure to socially conform is pressure to do two things - be clever, and be realistic. "Be realistic" means stop worrying about the problems in the world, you can't do anything about those anyway, and who are you to think you "have any answers," and worrying about other people or the community is taking time and energy away from looking after number one.

"Be realistic" means give up all of those ideas you may have about intellectual, creative or political pursuits. "Be clever" means make the right choices - feather your nest, don't take any risks, find the angles, get with the program.

This is not a situation of "oh well what can you do," it is not a "well people are just that way." It is caused by commercial interests being given higher priority at all times and in all things than is given to the creative, intellectual or the social.

It is not happening off there somewhere in policy decisions in Washington, it is an ongoing battle every minute of every day in everyone's life. Nor is it some deep dark flaw in human nature that we need to reform one person at a time.

Unlike modern liberal activism, which calls for a tremendous amount of time and energy in the hopes of reforming people's "sinful (apathetic) nature," and that brings very small and useless results in return, confronting the commodification of our daily lives is much more productive - a small amount of effort can cause enormous effects because everyone is caught in this trap, and it is miserable and people want out of it. The more resistant people are to confronting this, the more in love with their own role and status in the system they are. It is a relatively small number of people, but they dominate the Democratic party and liberalism.

It doesn't take years of study, or deep understanding, or special knowledge, or the right guru, or the right theories to understand that.

Just look around everyday, all day, everywhere you go. And it doesn't take baby steps, we aren't on the path to anything, we aren't getting there, we aren't improving and all of the rest of that drama.

It isn't difficult, it isn't hard to understand, it isn't arcane or esoteric. The hard, miserable work, the really difficult, soul-smashing thing to do, is to keep participating in this ongoing and omnipresent and insane discussion going on all the time by the upwardly mobile "winners." It takes a huge amount of thought, time, and energy; it is immensely unpleasant and stressful, to play along and keep propping up an insane world view..... It only sounds weird, or difficult to fathom or grasp, because we are embedded in an ongoing insane set of social interactions.

Modern liberalism is occupying the space where the Left should be, confusing and misleading people, steering people away from accurate perceptions and clouding their minds, preventing them from asking the right questions because they think they already have the answers. That is dead wood that needs clearing. If we are willing to kick over the beehive of modern liberalism you will see the true face and the true nature of the ruling class war against the people with crystal clarity. As it is, we can't even see the enemy now. We are looking out the tent flap watching for the approach of those dreaded right wingers, and the enemy is behind us right in our own tent.

Hat tip to Two Americas for use of comment.

http://www.thebellforum.com/

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Response to johnaries01 (Original post)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 12:03 AM

15. Most conservatives don't give a damn about what gays do or don't do anymore. This is old and

battered argument that your fighting with yourself. I think, but correct me if I'm wrong, the in thing expected to shock the conservatives is transgender. Again, that's tired and old before it really even got started because no one much cares anymore who screws what.

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Response to Outer_Limits (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 12:11 AM

17. Maybe Most Don't

But there are enough who do to make a fuss. A judge had to order Alabama to issue marriage licenses this week so let's stop pretending that it is no longer an issue.

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Response to City Kitty (Reply #17)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 12:39 AM

20. Yes as I said.. most. Not enough haters left to matter anymore, just enough to point and laugh at.

Thus a non issue.

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Response to Outer_Limits (Reply #20)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 02:03 AM

22. The Gay People In Alabama

probably think differently.

Yes, point and laugh at the haters, but don't forget that they are fucking with the lives of real human beings.

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Response to Outer_Limits (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 11:42 AM

27. Truth. I don't know one person who cares about gay marriage or whatever else.

 

Whatever the courts decide is fine. But if they expect us to carry a sign for them, that's not gonna happen. There are much bigger issues in this world.

The only thing that irks some of us straight conservatives is that we get a little tired of having it thrown in our faces by liberals all the time.

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Response to Frederick55 (Reply #27)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 11:57 AM

29. Rand Paul and Mike Huckabee would seem to disagree.

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Response to johnaries01 (Reply #29)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 12:35 PM

34. Let them. They aren't representative of most conservatives.

 

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Response to Frederick55 (Reply #34)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 05:19 PM

52. And you are?

I'm just wanting to know where "most conservatives" stand.

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Response to johnaries01 (Reply #52)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 06:44 PM

53. We've already told you that, we don't give a shit if gays want to get married.

 

Why are you people so obsessed with this issue?

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Response to Frederick55 (Reply #53)

Fri Feb 13, 2015, 04:31 PM

55. As long as you admit that you don't speak for all -

or even most conservatives. Just as I don't speak for all Liberals.Therefore, I cannot be charged as "you people". Although I am elated when one of my friends wins a victory. That doesn't mean I agree with them on everything.

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Response to johnaries01 (Reply #55)

Fri Feb 13, 2015, 11:37 PM

60. Your OP is total bullshit. I agree to nothing and I admit to nothing. nt

 

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Response to Frederick55 (Reply #27)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 12:50 PM

35. The GOP tried changing the Constitution to deny same-sex marriage less than a decade ago.

 

It was one of the main issues the last GOP Presidents ran on.

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Response to kcci (Reply #35)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 12:57 PM

37. So did Hillary. What's your point.

 

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Response to Frederick55 (Reply #37)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 01:04 PM

39. The GOP ran on & supported changing the Constitution to oppose gay marriage.

 

Then there's the GOP national platform
The Republican National Committee passed resolutions Friday reaffirming its commitment to defining marriage as between a man and a woman, and calling on the Supreme Court to "uphold the sanctity of marriage" as it weighs rulings on two landmark cases involving gay marriage.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/04/12/republican-national-committee-reaffirms-opposition-to-gay-marriage/

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Response to kcci (Reply #39)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 01:12 PM

42. Hillary didn't support gay marriage then. Bill Clinton supported the "Defense of Marriage Act"

 

Let the GOP oppose whatever they want. If the courts make it illegal, that's fine by me too. I simply do not care about this issue, it's an issue that is not worthy of the attention it receives.

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Response to Frederick55 (Reply #42)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 01:16 PM

43. You claimed you didn't know "one person" who cared about same sex marriage.

 

I proved you are laughably ignorant of the GOP platform.

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Response to kcci (Reply #43)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 01:19 PM

44. I don't know those people. Never met any of them. Of the people I know, no one cares about

 

gay marriage. No one. There are more important issues in this world.

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Response to Frederick55 (Reply #27)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 01:31 AM

61. Your thoughts mirror those of most conservatives I know. If it weren't thrown

in their face all of the time they might even carry a sign here or there.

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Response to johnaries01 (Original post)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 11:57 AM

30. "I want to see Progress in our Political system"

I think everybody on the planet can say that. That is like saying "Peace and goodwill toward men" on the Christmas card. It only has meaning when one defines the goal and the way to reach the goal. That is where people disagree. What one person thinks is "progress" or "good" another may describe the same thing as "a step back" or "bad".

What most liberals fail to realize is that not everyone views the desired liberal end state or the way to achieve that end state as desirable. I'm not talking about some amorphous, fuzzy, concept of a better society. I am talking about specific, concrete policies.

Starting your post with "I am a Liberal - I have friends, I care about people" is unremarkable as virtually everybody on the planet outside of Hannibal Lecter can say they have friends and care about people. I bet the average ISIS terrorist will make that claim. The way I read your comment is that because you are liberal you are uniquely qualified to have friends and care about people. And by implication, if one is not liberal they don't have friends and care about people. This is not true.

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Response to Jack Burton (Reply #30)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 12:50 PM

36. Yep

What one considers "progress" is what determines if one is left or right.

That is why supporting individual rights and freedoms is mostly a "right-wing" thing, while giving up individual rights and freedoms to save a dollar for ones own comfort and convenience is mostly a "left-wing" thing.

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Response to Jack Burton (Reply #30)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 01:30 PM

46. Nice post Jack.

 

It cannot be improved upon.

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Response to johnaries01 (Original post)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 12:31 PM

32. I have many acquaintances but,

very few friends.

In fact at present I only have one friend, my wife.

The others have passed on, one way or another.

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Response to Defiant11 (Reply #32)

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 01:35 PM

48. Same here

Aside from my fiance, who is my best friend in the world, I can think of maybe one or two people I care to call a "friend". After I found my former "best friend" sleeping with my ex-wife and getting her pregnant, I am very remiss to bandy that term about.

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