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Wed May 28, 2014, 03:46 AM

Who is your favorite President of all time? Top 5? (positive comments only please)

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Name your favorite president and your top 5. AND ALSO the top 5 people who should have been President
but either did not run or did not get nominated or lost.
Let's keep this all positive, no worst president, no mocking, just each person in any party favorite and top 5.

My top 5

#1 LBJ
#2 Lincoln
#3 FDR
#4 Barack Obama (but possibly will end up #2)
#5 Jimmy Carter. Especially for his first 2 and 1/2 years.

Top 5 people that should have been President
edited at 130pm eastern
#1 Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
#2 Allard Lowenstein
#3 John V. Lindsay
#4 Harry Chapin
#5 Ted Kennedy (Ted is actually my favorite of the 3 brothers as Ted actually did for 50 years)
#5 tied Ann Richards

positive comments only, everybody's choice is welcome.

edited to add at 130pm eastern-
after others wrote replies and I thought of who should have been my #1 should have-

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. would be #1 on my list as the person who should have been President and I have written in the past, I do think perhaps he might have run for office had he lived, an obvious time would have been with Jimmy Carter though both were from the same state.( a mere technicality Cheney got out of in 2000).
Dr. King could have done what Nelson Mandela did as an example of someone later in life going into office and becoming the best of the best President of all time.
Perhaps 1980 (believe it or not Dr. King would have only been about 60) and letting Mondale go to a different job (SOS?) or 1984 or 1988.

And there are many others who should have, over the last few years but I kept my list of who should have to older people.

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Reply Who is your favorite President of all time? Top 5? (positive comments only please) (Original post)
graham4anything4HC45 May 2014 OP
Vinoby Humor May 2014 #1
tanklvhi May 2014 #2
Scooter Trash May 2014 #3
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JacoBukowski May 2014 #4
Gunslinger201 May 2014 #6
JacoBukowski May 2014 #17
Gunslinger201 May 2014 #5
Homerj22 May 2014 #7
Crystalbast May 2014 #11
AnnieHowe May 2014 #8
Mr_Scorpio May 2014 #9
Crystalbast May 2014 #10
jiangsu expat May 2014 #12
Nixons_Ghost May 2014 #15
jiangsu expat May 2014 #19
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Nixons_Ghost May 2014 #13
graham4anything4HC45 May 2014 #16
moneyshot May 2014 #14
Jaime Espinoza May 2014 #18
JayVeeNYC May 2014 #20
MrSlayer666 May 2014 #21
graham4anything4HC45 May 2014 #22

Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 04:03 AM

1. Re: Who is your favorite President of all time?

 

My favorite President of all time would have to be Bill Clinton! Sorry, about the top 5 you requested, I don't have but only one favorite. That's Bill ... ≧◠◡◠≦✌

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 04:11 AM

2. FDR

Lincoln
JFK
Teddy Roosevelt
Clinton

and GW ----- I'M KIDDING!!! Was that "negative"?!

for President

Should but didn't:

Humphrey
Gore
McGovern
Shirley Chisolm
The first Vice President under FDR before Truman...
Howard Dean would have to be there, too

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Response to tanklvhi (Reply #2)

Wed May 28, 2014, 04:36 AM

3. My favorites:

1. FDR

2. Lincoln

3. Jefferson

4. Theodore Roosevelt

5. Kennedy

I'm not very good at hypothetical situations, but there are a few notable ones. I wish Carter had had a second term. I wish Kennedy had lived to have a second term. I'd like to see what the country would have been like if Eugene Debs had been elected. I certainly wish Lincoln had lived out his second term, and of course, I wish Gore had been elected.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 04:46 AM

4. 5

1) FDR
2) Jefferson
3) Woodrow Wilson
4) Kennedy
5) T. R.

(favorites, not necessarily the most important)

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Response to JacoBukowski (Reply #4)

Wed May 28, 2014, 04:48 AM

6. Not to be negative but

Why Woodrow Wilson?

I will say we are 180 degrees apart on that one

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #6)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:23 PM

17. He signed into law the Clayton Anti-trust Act, the first progressive income tax, created the...

the Federal Trade Commission to attempt some oversight over the markets, promoted the growth of labor unions, helped the Allied Powers win WW I, and proposed the first international organization concerned with maintaining world peace (for which he won the Nobel Peace Prize).

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 04:46 AM

5. Best Presidents

#1 Thomas Jefferson

#2 Abraham Lincoln

#3 Ronald Reagan

#4 John F. Kennedy

No negative comments but I have 2 in mind for worst

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 05:06 AM

7. ..

 

George Washington

Ronald Reagan

Ike

Lincoln

GWB

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Response to Homerj22 (Reply #7)

Wed May 28, 2014, 06:23 AM

11. Purely out of curiosity, what is your

reasoning for including GWB in your list? Inquiring minds want to know.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 05:30 AM

8. Mine...

1. JFK
2. FDR
3. LBJ
4. Jimmy Carter
5. Barack Obama

Should've been's:

1. George McGovern
2. Robert Kennedy
3. Al Gore
4. John Kerry
5. Ted Kennedy

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 06:21 AM

9. Actually, G., I like your list...

Too bad it's not a top seven, because I'd add JFK and Bill Clinton too.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 06:22 AM

10. I would include Henry Wallace of those

who should have been President. A man ahead of his times, FDR was too sick to fight to keep him on as VP in his last race. Had he not been pushed out, Wallace would have become President instead of Truman. We might have ended up living in an entirely different world now.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 06:36 AM

12. My top five

My top 5

#1 FDR
MASSIVE DROPOFF AFTER THIS
#2 LBJ domestically
#3 Eisenhower (if only for Earl Warren and his anti war, anti-MIC stances)
#4 Lincoln
#5 Jimmy Carter. Especially for his first 2 and 1/2 years.

Top 5 people that should have been President
#1 Allard Lowenstein (completely agree)
#2 Adlai Stevenson
#3 Harry Chapin (the biggest hero in my life)
#4 Howard Dean
#5 Ann Richards

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Response to jiangsu expat (Reply #12)

Wed May 28, 2014, 10:34 AM

15. My list...

1. George Washington led us through a very trying time and was opposed to international treaty and political parties.

2. Thomas Jefferson promoted limited government with strong states rights philosophy

3. James Madison Created the US COnstitution and the Federalist papers that set forth the standard by which we are supposed to be governed.

4. Lincoln while he was a demagogue and not terribly concerned about the people he was freeing, the effort was just and keeping the country together was his ultimate goal. I often wonder if he were not assassinated, would he be remembered as fondly.

5. Eisenhower/Nixon I lump these together because Nixon did a lot of the actual governing. Eisenhower was a sick man throughout his presidency. Fairly libertarian.

Honorable mention: Reagan, with all of his warts he was as libertarian as we have had in the presidency. Even if it was very minor.

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Response to Nixons_Ghost (Reply #15)

Fri May 30, 2014, 12:30 AM

19. Certain quibbles

Madison did not write the Federalist Papers or the US Constitution while he was president. So those are not accomplishments AS president that can be used to judge greatness.

Nixon was an abomination, and not just for Watergate. His domestic policy was pathetic and his reaction to the 1973 Oil Crisis was miserable.

Reagan: ARE YOU NUTS??? Under Reagan, we had the 1986 tax cuts, which began to shift tax burden to the middle class and poor, A Nation at Risk that all but destroyed education, the destruction of the Department of the Interior, Department of HHS, HUD. . .he denied HIV and AIDS until Rock Hudson came out with it, and then gave as little to research as possible. . .he intensified the drug war (which is really a war on the Constitution).

Libertarianism is a cute concept and a stopped clock is correct twice a day. . .but Libertarianism is fraudulent because it believes all people are truly equal, which is not accurate. The GOP sucking the dicks of the Koch and Sheldon Adelson prove that. Libertarianism is just greed and selfishness with a nice name and cute language.

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Response to jiangsu expat (Reply #19)

Fri May 30, 2014, 09:49 AM

23. Nonsense...

Madison's body of work as a stateman certainly adds to his grandeur

Liberals should LOVE Nixon for his domestic policy. He allowed OSHA, the EPA.

Nixon led a huge sea change in school integration. Lyndon Johnson talked a big game but largely stalled public school integration in the south.

He also promoted Block Grants allowing states to have more decision making in the federal dollars they accepted.

The 1973 Oil Crisis had little response. What could he do? There were no strategic reserves at the time, OPEC refused to sell us oil. The only real response could happen after new reserves were identified.

All of this however is not what I was talking about anyway. I was talking about the EIsenhower Years. Eisenhower was sick for most of his presidency which gave Nixon the reins of power throughout much of the 1950's

Reagan: ARE YOU NUTS??? Under Reagan, we had the 1986 tax cuts, which began to shift tax burden to the middle class and poor,

An old chestnut that is completely moronic. The other half of that is that all people paid an effective rate that made more sense. The entire tax code was re-written. That meant that all wage earners paid a more flat effective tax.

A Nation at Risk that all but destroyed education, the destruction of the Department of the Interior, Department of HHS, HUD. . .he denied HIV and AIDS until Rock Hudson came out with it, and then gave as little to research as possible. . .he intensified the drug war (which is really a war on the Constitution).

First, education, HHS and HUD are not areas which the federal government should even be involved in. If you are THAT interested in being Constitutional then find the part that it says that that the government should help buy people homes or educate the children????

In fact the Federal DOE had only really been an entity for a year before Reagan took office. I see NO reason for its existence. As far as Reagan destroying education in toto in the US, I have a hard time understanding what you are talking about.

As far as AIDS goes. What does it matter what a President does? This is not the realm of the oval office

Libertarianism is a cute concept and a stopped clock is correct twice a day. . .but Libertarianism is fraudulent because it believes all people are truly equal, which is not accurate.

No, you don't understand it. Libertarianism pushes for government to act in concert with the constitution, that the constitution is a binding element of the government not some quaint, "living breathing document which we can change at will."

They believe that liberty is the concept that must be protected first and foremost. You mentioned the drug war as constitutionally wrong. I would agree with you. I would say abolish all drug laws at the federal level and I would commute the sentences of all federally held non-violent offenders of drug laws.

You don't understand libertarianism. You are most likely a passive low information guy who tries to speak with authority. You look foolish when you don't have the right information.

The GOP sucking the dicks of the Koch and Sheldon Adelson prove that. Libertarianism is just greed and selfishness with a nice name and cute language.

I have no idea what the GOP is doing and for what. The Democrats receive more corporate dollars from ALL sectors than does the GOP. I digress. Please explain how libertarianism is about greed and selfishness. If the GOP calls themselves Libertarian, you have to see what they are doing, I see the GOP and the Democrats as the same, two different parties trying to control the people in their own way. I want nothing to do with controlling the people.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 10:26 AM

13. A serious question...

I don't intend to be provocative with this question. How could you place Lincoln and FDR together and Obama directly behind FDR. FDR was intensely racist. Perhaps not overtly, but the Japanese internment, funneling New Deal money and projects from Black areas. etc. Taints any legacy of leading the US through WWII. I do not credit him with the depression as his policies prolonged the problems rather than alleviated the problem.

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Response to Nixons_Ghost (Reply #13)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:21 PM

16. As the years go on, I need to have room for President Obama to rise, to #3, #2, maybe #1...

every older President has something that another person could say would eliminate them from serious consideration.
Probably putting FDR only at #3 some might say why not have him higher
He is not higher because of the Japanese interment, because he took too long to go to war,
and other things you mention. All were taken into consideration.

I could go on, but don't want to ruin my own thread, these are good questions for later, possibly a follow up thread.

I could make a great case that President Obama should be #2 already, but as said, in time...
the coming years should do a lot to show it to be true, maybe sometime in 2018, 2019 when a lot that has been started is developed fully and shown how much better our lives are.

(it is quite possible in the future Hillary will be on the list and Bill would rise too, though its tough to see who would not be in the top 5 as I truly believe Jimmy Carter belongs)

I specifically did not want to make the poll only be prior to the current president.
(note-JFK to me was a dream, a concept, and LBJ fulfilled the dream...but JFK did not serve long enough to know how much of what LBJ did he would have...I am not positive he would have gone as far as LBJ did solely because he needed to save capital to get Bobby elected (PLUS- the #1 most glaring thing about JFK and RFK
was that they wiretapped Dr. King, which is very important in my estimation and cannot be written off as
well, Hoover wanted it.) That is glaring IMHO.


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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 10:30 AM

14. Jefferson, Madison, Obama, Wilson, TR

Early progressives were great - not a fan of progressives after Wilson.

I like the liberals most.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:39 PM

18. ok

FDR
Clinton
LBJ
Lincoln
Eisenhower

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 12:34 AM

20. FDR, Jefferson, Lincoln, T. Roosevelt, Obama

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 01:54 AM

21. Lincoln, FDR, Jefferson, Jackson, Nixon.

You said favorites, not who I thought was best. Nixon was a fascinating character.


Who should have been President?

Henry Wallace number one. When the party bosses fucked him over at the '44 convention, the country lost out big time.

JFK. But Mr. Slayer, you say, he was President. Yes, but only for a short period. He should have had eight years. The Sixties would have been even cooler had he not been so foully assassinated.

Bobby Kennedy. If his brother hadn't been killed he should have been President. And he should have won the office in '68. Another murder that changed the country for the worse.

Ted Kennedy. What? Another Kennedy? Yes. Uncle Ted should have been allowed to continue his family's legacy. And if neither brother had been murdered every circumstance would have been different. He almost certainly would have been the third Kennedy President but should have at least been the second.

Al Gore. Yep, Mr. Wooden himself. Not because he was particularly great or dynamic like the Kennedy clan but because he flat out deserved it. He won the election of 2000 and it was taken from him, again to the country's detriment. None of the bullshit we had to put up with under Bush would have happened. The national debt would be gone completely, no wars, environmental stewardship would have been in effect and we might have something a lot better than Obamacare.

Fun topic.

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Response to MrSlayer666 (Reply #21)

Fri May 30, 2014, 08:12 AM

22. yeah, your answer about Al Gore is exactly how I feel

I wasn't the biggest fan of his over the years
way too right in 1988 for me

but he deserved to be seated in 2000
and I wanted the rematch in 2004
The party obviously did not agree and sent him packing early

but I felt to right the wrong, it had to be a rematch and that in 2004, Al Gore would have destroyed Bush
but it never happened
and Al could have ended in tragedy, depression, and worse
but he picked himself up and started anew.

he kept his eye on the prize
and is so important now, that the other side always feels the need to mock him
if he were unimportant, they of course would not bother to attempt to use ridicule to silence him
showing again that a bully is just someone so afraid of another, that the other should use it to lift themselves up (if that is possible, not all situations are the same, and bullys sometimes win by being even more abusive and in the end leading to tragedy.)

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