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Thu Mar 5, 2015, 06:50 PM

 

Let's see the proof that Clinton had a private email server in her home.

What does not prove anything: An article that says it was traced back to her home.

That would be essentially every article out there on this topic. They all state in some way, shape, or form, that "somebody" was able to trace HRC's email server to her physical home in NY. None of them actually back it up with facts.

So, somebody post proof that shows exactly how it was traced, or how they know how to trace it, or anything. Let's see it.

If you just post an article that says it was traced, but doesn't say how or provide any sort of proof, then you will be roundly mocked.

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Reply Let's see the proof that Clinton had a private email server in her home. (Original post)
waltervink Mar 2015 OP
Cave Dweller Mar 2015 #1
waltervink Mar 2015 #6
Sassyspop Mar 2015 #2
Frederick55 Mar 2015 #3
Rae Mar 2015 #4
Attila Gorilla Mar 2015 #20
PerroMalo Mar 2015 #5
waltervink Mar 2015 #7
PerroMalo Mar 2015 #10
Attila Gorilla Mar 2015 #19
Roger Cavu Mar 2015 #46
762Justice Mar 2015 #8
PerroMalo Mar 2015 #11
waltervink Mar 2015 #14
PerroMalo Mar 2015 #17
waltervink Mar 2015 #18
Gamle-ged Mar 2015 #16
waltervink Mar 2015 #12
762Justice Mar 2015 #15
Andronikos Mar 2015 #9
Immacolata Mar 2015 #13
762Justice Mar 2015 #25
Immacolata Mar 2015 #29
Doctor_R Mar 2015 #31
Immacolata Mar 2015 #35
Doctor_R Mar 2015 #36
762Justice Mar 2015 #32
Immacolata Mar 2015 #47
762Justice Mar 2015 #49
Immacolata Mar 2015 #51
762Justice Mar 2015 #52
graham4anything4HC45 Mar 2015 #38
Doctor_R Mar 2015 #40
graham4anything4HC45 Mar 2015 #41
Doctor_R Mar 2015 #42
graham4anything4HC45 Mar 2015 #43
Doctor_R Mar 2015 #44
JacoBukowski Mar 2015 #21
waltervink Mar 2015 #22
762Justice Mar 2015 #23
waltervink Mar 2015 #26
stygmata Mar 2015 #24
762Justice Mar 2015 #27
waltervink Mar 2015 #28
Immacolata Mar 2015 #30
762Justice Mar 2015 #33
waltervink Mar 2015 #34
graham4anything4HC45 Mar 2015 #39
batcat Mar 2015 #37
Roger Cavu Mar 2015 #45
Supercalifragilistic Mar 2015 #48
Jenny Fromdablock Mar 2015 #50

Response to waltervink (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 06:57 PM

1. The Straws

are over there.

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Response to Cave Dweller (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:11 PM

6. Oh really? So now it doesn't matter whether or not she had it in her house?

 

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Response to waltervink (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:01 PM

2. You claimed it wasn't in the house...opposite all reporting to date.

 

prove it...

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Response to waltervink (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:02 PM

3. You really need a drink.

 

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Response to waltervink (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:02 PM

4. Why hasn't Clinton denied it? nt

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Response to Rae (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:59 PM

20. Good point.

Seems like that would have been the first thing she did.

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Response to PerroMalo (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:11 PM

7. Consider yourself roundly mocked.

 

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Response to waltervink (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:23 PM

10. You're going to mock me

for an article in the WSJ?????

You're something else walt.

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Response to PerroMalo (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:58 PM

19. You've been roundly mocked.

Deal with it.

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Response to PerroMalo (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 12:20 AM

46. They don't see W S J

They see F O X

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Response to waltervink (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:18 PM

8. Not going to do it,

As records could have been changed since then, and it would be cumbersome on a cell phone (which I am) but I will tell you how to do it in general.

Any domain name on the internet has a dns record. One of the items readable by the public in a dns zone file is known as an mx record, and the mx record supplies the ip address (es) of the mail server (s) that accept mail for that domain.

Using traceroute from a pc or looking glass, you can follow the path to the ip address of the mail server found in the mx record. The last "hops" before the mail server will let you know the registered devices connecting the mail server. Once you have this, you can determine ownership of the device via ARIN records. Knowing the ownership, you must query the owner to determine the "last mile" circuit which is invariably a local Telco provider, who can give you the physical location of the endpoint nearest the server.

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:24 PM

11. Walt claims to be a software engineer

You'd think he'd know about that.

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Response to PerroMalo (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:30 PM

14. Software engineer is not the same as network administrator.

 

If the application they are developing does not need a network connection, then why should they have any knowledge about network systems?

Oh right, you just like getting jabs in whenever possible.

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Response to waltervink (Reply #14)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:36 PM

17. I knew it and I'm not a network geek

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Response to PerroMalo (Reply #17)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:49 PM

18. So fucking what?

 

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Response to PerroMalo (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:35 PM

16. Walt is testing us. Didn't someone say he seemed testy?... ☺

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:24 PM

12. Not always (and especially not if you are intent on hiding your identity)

 

The MX record could point to a proxy, the proxy would act as the endpoint, but since it's a proxy, it's really not. And there would literally be no way to know what's beyond the proxy.

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Response to waltervink (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:34 PM

15. mx has to point to a server,

But you can use a remailer server in a different location.

Better way to obscure location is via tunnelling the connection from the server or point of presence with a "endpoint" within a large datacenter.

Either way, if a remailer or tunnel was used, it would make sense to have the final location appear in a non negative location, not to give the appearance that the device is somewhere that would paint you in a bad light.

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Response to waltervink (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:19 PM

9. The point of this kerfuffle: HRC did not use the State email system at all.

 

You're being obtuse. She purposefully used a private email system to hide her nefarious machinations?

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Response to waltervink (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:25 PM

13. That means that she sent an email

from her computer at home, doesn't it? I thought it was a hotmail or gmail account. I use gmail, and I expect all my emails show as coming from my home I.P.

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:17 PM

25. Sending one from gmail,

you capture the client IP, which is reflected in the headers, but the server used is also reflected in the headers. The question here is not the location of the client, but the server.

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #25)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:25 PM

29. She has an email server in her home?

That doesn't sound right.

Also, was the law that she had to use government email in place when she was Secretary of State?

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #29)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:32 PM

31. "...was the law that she had to use government email in place..."

"The State Department has had a policy in place since 2005 to warn officials against routine use of personal e-mail accounts for government work, a regulation in force during Hillary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state that appears to be at odds with her reliance on a private email for agency business, POLITICO has learned."

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/state-department-email-rule-hillary-clinton-115804.html

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Response to Doctor_R (Reply #31)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:09 PM

35. Yet and still, she broke no laws.

I don't see the reason for all this outrage here. You guys need something else to get excited about. This is boring.

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #35)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:12 PM

36. Sorry you're bored.

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #29)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:32 PM

32. There are a few in my home.

I don't know a thing about the law on this. Just the technical end.

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #32)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 05:19 AM

47. You are probably not tech challenged.

Most people are, who haven't been in the industry in some way. You don't really need to know tech to use it, but I just don't see her maintaining a server. If I'm wrong I'll eat my words...

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #47)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 07:23 AM

49. It would not be hard for someone to hire a person/company

to set up a mail server in the home, set up the accounts on a PC that the owner uses, and give a quick "how to send and receive mail" lesson. HRC has sufficient funds for this.

I do not know how to crown a tooth, but I have a crown on a tooth.

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #49)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 12:43 PM

51. True. She could have.

But somehow I don't think so. I just feel like this is another Benghazi - much screaming and shrieking and popping of pearls, but in the end it has no substance and we move on to the next fake scandal.

You have my permission for "I told you so!" if it proves that I'm wrong.

ETA - I was wrong. AP is reporting that she did have a server, and that it was not an gmail or yahoo account. I stand corrected.

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #51)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 01:00 PM

52. Oh, I am sure there will be a dozen more scandals on either side.

I am just more interested in this one at a professional level.

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #29)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 11:42 PM

38. No the law was NOT in place until 2013. And Colin Powell did the same thing.

So those saying the law was in place during a decade earlier then are admitting Colin Powell broke a law
(that in actuality like all the other scandals just not exist).

Of course, I myself would not want the CIAmoles to have access as there have been many problems the last decade in leaks (witness the Cheney/Rove Valerie Plame leak/hack)

It does sound like once again someone on the right in the media gets something planted and everyone runs with it, not bothering to check if the first person was accurate.

Probably Bill OReilly came up with this fabrication like all the others.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #38)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 11:48 PM

40. Yes. It was.

"The State Department has had a policy in place since 2005 to warn officials against routine use of personal e-mail accounts for government work, a regulation in force during Hillary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state that appears to be at odds with her reliance on a private email for agency business, POLITICO has learned."

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/state-department-email-rule-hillary-clinton-115804.html

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Response to Doctor_R (Reply #40)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 11:56 PM

41. and the wheels on the bus go round and round up and down in and out

this has been debunked 5 times already.

but its fun to watch the wheels on the bus go round and round

If this were important, they would have waited to release it in Sept. 2016 as an October surprise

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #41)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 11:59 PM

42. "Debunked, debunked, debunked."

Tell politico.com about it, not me. They're the ones who wrote it.

How can something released in September be an "October surprise?" Wouldn't that be a "September surprise?"

Speaking of wheels, they're falling off the clinton express.

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Response to Doctor_R (Reply #42)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 12:02 AM

43. Politico is a rightwing rag. Of course they are anti-Democratic

Because (to answer your question on October surprises).

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #43)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 12:07 AM

44. "Politico is a rightwing rag."

I've read a lot of your posts, but this one is one of the most dishonest I have ever seen.

You have GOT to be kidding me.

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Response to waltervink (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:03 PM

21. "So, somebody post proof that shows exactly how it was traced..."

They probably created a GUI interface in Visual Basic to see if they could track the IP address!!

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Response to JacoBukowski (Reply #21)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:07 PM

22. LOL awesome

 

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Response to JacoBukowski (Reply #21)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:16 PM

23. Or maybe it was a UNIX system.

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #23)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:19 PM

26. They'd need to study up on it with a UNIX book, though

 

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Response to waltervink (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:17 PM

24. This event is turning out to be more fun than a barrel of monkeys :)

Please, please, please let's have Debbie Wasserman come out soon with her take on the situation - bring popcorn

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Response to waltervink (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:22 PM

27. I have posted in this thread how to do it.

But, to me, the bigger question is not surrounding the physical location of the server (which would be a definite advantage if you wanted to minimise physical access) but the reasoning behind it's use in the first place.

If there are no .gov owned systems that HRC used for email, the only two options are:
She did not communicate with anyone during that time period via email.
She used a system not owned and audited by the government to conduct official business as Secretary of State.

Neither one looks particularly good.

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #27)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:24 PM

28. Yep, I fully acknowledge all of that.

 

I don't know the answer either. But I've read reports that claim she is a luddite, that she didn't really even use a computer and had her aides print out her emails for her to read.

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Response to waltervink (Reply #28)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:27 PM

30. Sounds logical to me.

A lot of baby boomers are absolutely clueless when it comes to anything computer-related. Hell, I'm clueless on things that don't involve markup, CSS or javascript! LOL

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Response to waltervink (Reply #28)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:37 PM

33. That does not prevent a person from paying someone to set it up, and maintain it.

There are people that are quite willing to set up and maintain home servers for you. Just like people that will mow your lawn, or clean your bathrooms. I know a few people that have worked on those smaller type things.

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #33)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:38 PM

34. Yep, true enough.

 

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Response to waltervink (Reply #34)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 11:45 PM

39. and lots of tv shows where someone comes in to check a wire and its someone from the opposition

planting a bug

I think J Edgar at the FBI and Bush41 at the CIA were both famous for doing such things
after all, they don't call them spies for nothing.

I still want to know who leaked the info to Mitt Romney to know about Bengasi before anyone else did.
Probably the same people who leaked that one needs to write about a font in another set-up straight out
of the movies.

witness Jim Carrey in the Cable guy.

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Response to waltervink (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 11:25 PM

37. IT'S CIRCLE THE WAGONS TIME!!!!! (n/t)

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Response to waltervink (Original post)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 12:15 AM

45. The woman cannot even tell us if she's running for president

And you think she's going to open the door to her house.

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Response to waltervink (Original post)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 05:48 AM

48. I agree, Walt.

There's NO WAY she could have one in her house. The State Dept. fired the ambassador to Nairobi for doing that exact same thing. Not to mention she ripped the Bush White House for it.

I'm with Walterivnk. Only a complete piece of shit would do and say those things first and then put a server in their home. It would be political suicide. If true, that would virtually eliminate her from contention for the presidency. I mean, what kind of scum bag, fuck head would vote for her after seeing her fire someone for and complain about this exact thing, then do it herself? No one on here, that's for sure.

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Response to waltervink (Original post)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 07:28 AM

50. Well, there's this...

When Hillary Clinton received an email as secretary of state, the message landed at a server registered to her home in New York’s Westchester County and physically located in the area, according to Internet registration records.

That set up underscores the lengths Mrs. Clinton and her inner circle went to create a communications system that they could more closely control.

For personal email, most individuals either use consumer services such as Google ’s Gmail or rent space on a technology company’s data center.

A custom email system, along with Mrs. Clinton’s use of a private email address as secretary of state, raises the question of what security measures she took to protect her communications while in office from 2009 until 2013. Those steps remain unclear.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clintons-custom-email-based-on-server-near-her-home-1425556802

Are you still claiming that you aren't defending Hillary? Seems like some crazy lengths to go to for someone who isn't defending her.

The fact that she, nor anyone who represents her or the state department has denied it is very telling. You have to be in an incredible state of denial to not understand that.

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