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Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:30 AM

NYT...Calls for Prosecution of Cheney/Bush Officials for Torture

In a blistering editorial published in the Monday edition of the New York Times, the editorial page editors are calling upon the Justice Department to open an investigation into the torture practices committed during the administration of President George W. Bush with an eye towards prosecuting those who “committed torture and other serious crimes,” along with former Vice President Dick Cheney and other major administration officials.

Under a headline reading, “Prosecute Torturers and Their Bosses,” the board criticizes the administration of current President Barack Obama for failing “to bring to justice anyone responsible for the torture of terrorism suspects,” during the period following the attack on 9/11.

http://www.rawstory.com/2014/12/new-york-times-calls-for-cheney-bush-officials-to-be-investigated-and-prosecuted-for-torture/

Americans have known about many of these acts for years, but the 524-page executive summary of the Senate Intelligence Committee’s report erases any lingering doubt about their depravity and illegality: In addition to new revelations of sadistic tactics like “rectal feeding,” scores of detainees were waterboarded, hung by their wrists, confined in coffins, sleep-deprived, threatened with death or brutally beaten. In November 2002, one detainee who was chained to a concrete floor died of “suspected hypothermia.”

These are, simply, crimes. They are prohibited by federal law, which defines torture as the intentional infliction of “severe physical or mental pain or suffering.” They are also banned by the Convention Against Torture, the international treaty that the United States ratified in 1994 and that requires prosecution of any acts of torture.

So it is no wonder that today’s blinkered apologists are desperate to call these acts anything but torture, which they clearly were. As the report reveals, these claims fail for a simple reason: C.I.A. officials admitted at the time that what they intended to do was illegal.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/22/opinion/prosecute-torturers-and-their-bosses.html?smid=re-share&_r=1

Well past time that a major media outlet picked up this gauntlet. Better late than never though IMO. Kudos to the NYT for starting the discussion.

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Reply NYT...Calls for Prosecution of Cheney/Bush Officials for Torture (Original post)
MaltedMale Apr 2015 OP
MrSlayer666 Apr 2015 #1
MaltedMale Apr 2015 #2
john262 Apr 2015 #5
Fiendish Thingy-BC Apr 2015 #9
john262 Apr 2015 #15
magdrop Apr 2015 #24
Fiendish Thingy-BC Apr 2015 #25
Banshee 3 Actual Apr 2015 #28
magdrop Apr 2015 #30
Banshee 3 Actual Apr 2015 #31
magdrop Apr 2015 #34
Banshee 3 Actual Apr 2015 #35
magdrop Apr 2015 #42
Banshee 3 Actual Apr 2015 #43
magdrop Apr 2015 #44
nolidad Apr 2015 #39
magdrop Apr 2015 #41
nolidad Apr 2015 #48
magdrop Apr 2015 #49
magdrop Apr 2015 #23
john262 Apr 2015 #27
magdrop Apr 2015 #29
Banshee 3 Actual Apr 2015 #32
magdrop Apr 2015 #33
Banshee 3 Actual Apr 2015 #36
magdrop Apr 2015 #45
Banshee 3 Actual Apr 2015 #47
magdrop Apr 2015 #50
Banshee 3 Actual Apr 2015 #51
john262 Apr 2015 #3
Fiendish Thingy-BC Apr 2015 #10
john262 Apr 2015 #17
Fiendish Thingy-BC Apr 2015 #21
john262 Apr 2015 #26
Fiendish Thingy-BC Apr 2015 #38
Lifelong Apr 2015 #4
DavesNotHere Apr 2015 #6
Sassyspop Apr 2015 #14
pavulon-lives Apr 2015 #7
Jenny Fromdablock Apr 2015 #8
KittyCatIdiots Apr 2015 #11
Dexter Morgan Apr 2015 #12
spike61 Apr 2015 #13
Banshee 3 Actual Apr 2015 #16
In The Mood Apr 2015 #18
JoeHill Apr 2015 #20
JoeHill Apr 2015 #19
brew9876 Apr 2015 #22
Argentina Apr 2015 #37
nolidad Apr 2015 #40
Letmypeoplevote Apr 2015 #46

Response to MaltedMale (Original post)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:33 AM

1. Eric Holder's biggest failure.

Not prosecuting those sons of bitches for war crimes and torture.

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Response to MrSlayer666 (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:37 AM

2. I agree

Obama's "look forward and not back" on the Bush cabal torture campaign was a huge disappointment as well.

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Response to MrSlayer666 (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:36 AM

5. Then FDR and Truman should have been prosecuted as well.

Probably every prez since FDR with the possible exception of Carter is a war criminal by your definition.

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Response to john262 (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:43 AM

9. The case against Bush et al is based on the UN treaty against torture

Which came in to force after FDR and Truman.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy-BC (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 11:23 AM

15. That doesn't matter.

Other conventions were in force before that. How do you think they got the Nazis??

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Response to Fiendish Thingy-BC (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 12:10 PM

24. They never endorsed torture, ever.

The Bush/Cheney cabal were the first to ever go down that road, in all of American history. Hitler was the guy who endorsed torture. America stood against it. Always.

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Response to magdrop (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 12:29 PM

25. Yup. N/t

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Response to magdrop (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 01:10 PM

28. Nope , you are wrong

1944
German Kriegsmarine Sailors of U-546 captured by the US Navy were tortured for information at Fort Hunt.
1945-46
70 German Waffen-SS POW were tortured for confessions for the Malmedy trial by US Counter Intelligence Corps personnel


Here a 1st CIC detachment soldier beats a German POW for information in 1944


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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #28)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 01:17 PM

30. Lerp!

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Response to magdrop (Reply #30)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 01:19 PM

31. In other words you cannot refute or rebut my post in a civil manner?

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #31)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 01:42 PM

34. Spanish Inquisition.

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Response to magdrop (Reply #34)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 02:30 PM

35. Not the US obviously is it?

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #35)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 06:10 PM

42. There's no president in your photo, is there?

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Response to magdrop (Reply #42)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 06:13 PM

43. Got a pic of Bush/Cheney at GITMO or Abu G?

Thought not, yet never stops you does it?

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #43)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 06:33 PM

44. They admit to giving the order.

I thought everyone here knows about the torture memos. You don't know about that stuff?

Really?

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Response to magdrop (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:43 PM

39. Guess you didn't get the memo about the atrocities America committed in WW2

Korea and Vietnam.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #39)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 06:10 PM

41. Do you have a quote from any president endorsing torture.

Of course you don't, because none exists.

Maybe you didn't get the memo that this used to be the land of the free and home of the brave before a few chickenshits wet their pants.

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Response to magdrop (Reply #41)

Tue Apr 28, 2015, 05:39 AM

48. And do you have a memo

From a president saying to go ahead and torture people to extract information?

Far more atrocities were done under FDR than Bush/Cheney ever imagined!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #48)

Tue Apr 28, 2015, 07:38 AM

49. Yes, of course I do. The "torture memos" were created by the Bush/Cheney cabal.

These memos were authored by Bybee, Yoo, and Ashcroft.

The memos renamed torture as "enhanced interrogation techniques" which was actually a translation of a Nazi term "Verschärfte Vernehmung" that was used by Hitler to describe torture used by his secret police.

There are numerous public statements from both Bush and Cheney where they endorse torture as official US policy.

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Response to john262 (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 12:06 PM

23. Since George Washinton, all American presidents denounced torture.

No other time in American history has torture been institutionalized.

You must be confusing some make-believe fantasy with reality.

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Response to magdrop (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 12:52 PM

27. Here is a long list of war crimes committed by the land of the free and the

home of the brave.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes

You can also make a good case that FDR's Internment of Japanese Americans was a war crime.

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Response to john262 (Reply #27)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 01:12 PM

29. Did you bother to read your own link?

Human Rights Watch claimed in 2005 that the principle of "command responsibility" could make high-ranking officials within the Bush administration guilty of the numerous war crimes committed during the War on Terror, either with their knowledge or by persons under their control.


I don't know if you're simply not paying close enough attention to what is being said, or if you are intentionally missing the point.

No one is claiming that these were the first war crimes ever to be committed. What we are saying is that this is the first time a US president has ever publicly endorsed war crimes as a core principle of American official policy.

Take for example the "double tap" drone strikes. Patreus, who most likely ordered them, was removed and the policy was denounced. Since this is clearly a war crime under both US and international law, Obama would certainly be a war criminal if he were to officially endorse this particular policy.

As for the internment of Japanese Americans, as bad a thing as it was, it still was NOT an endorsement of torture.

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Response to magdrop (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 01:21 PM

32. Philippine Insurrection



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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #32)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 01:37 PM

33. Lerp!

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Response to magdrop (Reply #33)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 02:31 PM

36. There it is people, what passes for civil discussion here when this poster cannot rebut or refute

Kinda Sad.

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #36)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:12 PM

45. I never claimed that I could teach the blind to see.

And yes, it's truly sad. We cannot help those who won't help themselves.

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Response to magdrop (Reply #45)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:22 PM

47. Says Helen Keller

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #47)

Tue Apr 28, 2015, 10:47 AM

50. Yuck, yuck, yuck...Helen Keller, yuck, yuck... torture, YUCK, YUCK, YUCK...

Do you ever listen to yourself? Your mother must be so proud.

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Response to magdrop (Reply #50)

Tue Apr 28, 2015, 11:54 AM

51. She's dead, but thanks for bringing my family into this because you have no intelligent rebuttal

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Response to MaltedMale (Original post)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:50 AM

3. What they fail to mention is that the Senate Intelligence Committee’s report was

written while the Democrats still controlled the Senate and not one Republican member of the committee signed off on it. The report was a political witch hunt and it needs to be disregarded. And rather than being prosecuted, which will never happen BTW, Bush and Cheney deserve to get a medal..

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Response to john262 (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:45 AM

10. Can you post which elements of the report are factually inaccurate? N/t

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Response to Fiendish Thingy-BC (Reply #10)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 11:27 AM

17. I didn't say it was inaccurate. I said it was

politically motivated. Why do you think that the Republicans didn't participate?

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Response to john262 (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 11:44 AM

21. So disregarding the political motivations

Aren't there still legal, ethical and moral issues remaining?

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Response to Fiendish Thingy-BC (Reply #21)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 12:39 PM

26. We cannot disregard political motivations since that is what was

behind the actions of the Democrats on the committee who proceeded without the Republicans. Do you think for one minute that those partisan Democrats cared one whit about legal, ethical and moral issues? I don't. It was all politics.

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Response to john262 (Reply #26)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 04:15 PM

38. Yet you don't dispute the facts asserted in the report

Yet you feel the report should be disregarded, despite the legal, moral and ethical issues at stake?

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Response to MaltedMale (Original post)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:55 AM

4. Last week the right wingers loved NYT's (Clinton)

This week not so much.

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Response to Lifelong (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:03 AM

6. Last week, liberals hated NYT, this week, not so much. n/t

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Response to Lifelong (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 10:41 AM

14. ONE large problem with you theory LifeLong

 

The Opinion piece is from LAST YR.

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Response to MaltedMale (Original post)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:05 AM

7. jesus, give it up

move on, its not happening. y'all know obama just outsourced this right? but hey, keep the dream alive.

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Response to MaltedMale (Original post)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:32 AM

8. Brennan helped the transition. He should be mentioned.

He took us from Bush's "capture and torture him" to Obama's "kill him and everyone near him". Funny to think that the left only wants Brennan to be in trouble for "capturing" and not "killing". But as we know, the left is mired in hypocrisy like this.

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Response to MaltedMale (Original post)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 10:19 AM

12. Will Clinton or Obama be getting prosecuted for torture?????? Or just republicans?

Extraordinary rendition or irregular rendition is the government sponsored kidnapping and extrajudicial transfer of a person from one country to another. The United States and the United Kingdom are known to have "renditioned" prisoners to nations known to practice torture, called torture by proxy.

In the United States, the first well-known rendition case was that of an airline hijacker abducted in Italy and brought to the U.S. for trial, authorized by President Ronald Reagan. President Bill Clinton authorized extraordinary rendition to nations known to practice torture. During the administration of President George W. Bush, hundreds of so-called "illegal combatants" (often never charged with any crime) were "renditioned" to other countries for torture by proxy, and to US controlled sites for a torture program called enhanced interrogation. Extraordinary rendition continued with reduced frequency in the Obama administration: those abducted have been interrogated and subsequently taken to the US for trial.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition

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Response to MaltedMale (Original post)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 10:21 AM

13. Cheney should be run off for Iraq, but the rest is BS.

And will never happen. But I'm sure it will get a LOT of attention over on DU!

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Response to MaltedMale (Original post)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 11:26 AM

16. December opinion article? so Timely, hows that indictment going so far?

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Response to MaltedMale (Original post)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 11:32 AM

18. Don't hold your breath waiting.

The current administration wants no part of that one.

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Response to In The Mood (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 11:34 AM

20. No doubt. No Drama Obama. nt

 

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Response to MaltedMale (Original post)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 11:33 AM

19. I would have started with the invasion of a sovereign state based on a pack of lies.

 

But this is probably easier to convict on . . .

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Response to MaltedMale (Original post)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 11:45 AM

22. Opinion piece from last December.

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Response to MaltedMale (Original post)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 02:40 PM

37. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et. al. should be in federal prison.

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Response to MaltedMale (Original post)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:45 PM

40. If the events in the second paragraph can be proven

(with the exception of waterboarding) then I agree all who participatred and the entrire chasin of command from where it was highest approved should be charged.

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Response to MaltedMale (Original post)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:17 PM

46. Prosecuting Bush and Cheney would be a good move

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