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Mon May 18, 2015, 12:12 PM

 

Lindsey graham wants to kill Americans for their thoughts


"If I'm president of the United States," Graham said, "and you're thinking about joining al-Qaeda or ... I'm not going to call a judge, I'm going to call a drone, and we will kill you."

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/lindsey-graham-president-isis-drone/

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Reply Lindsey graham wants to kill Americans for their thoughts (Original post)
Satanica May 2015 OP
Noumenon May 2015 #1
Dexter Morgan May 2015 #9
Noumenon May 2015 #10
Dexter Morgan May 2015 #11
Noumenon May 2015 #13
Dexter Morgan May 2015 #14
Noumenon May 2015 #19
Dexter Morgan May 2015 #20
Noumenon May 2015 #21
Dexter Morgan May 2015 #23
Banshee 3 Actual May 2015 #27
Noumenon May 2015 #29
Jack Burton May 2015 #2
meanitt May 2015 #5
Banshee 3 Actual May 2015 #30
meanitt May 2015 #33
Banshee 3 Actual May 2015 #35
meanitt May 2015 #36
Banshee 3 Actual May 2015 #38
meanitt May 2015 #39
Banshee 3 Actual May 2015 #40
meanitt May 2015 #41
Banshee 3 Actual May 2015 #42
Zutak May 2015 #3
Satanica May 2015 #4
Dexter Morgan May 2015 #12
Satanica May 2015 #15
Dexter Morgan May 2015 #16
Satanica May 2015 #17
Dexter Morgan May 2015 #18
Satanica May 2015 #22
Dexter Morgan May 2015 #25
Banshee 3 Actual May 2015 #31
Satanica May 2015 #24
shortviking May 2015 #6
waltervink May 2015 #28
Argentina May 2015 #43
kc_tim May 2015 #7
TexMex May 2015 #8
Banshee 3 Actual May 2015 #26
MaltedMale May 2015 #32
saspamco May 2015 #34
kNockYourPunkassDown May 2015 #37
JoePolitics May 2015 #44

Response to Satanica (Original post)

Mon May 18, 2015, 12:18 PM

1. Niiiiice.


Another strict constitutionalist who can't understand the document he worships while simultaneously claiming the ability to read minds.

Should be a hit with the low information crowd. They eat that sh*t up!

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Response to Noumenon (Reply #1)

Mon May 18, 2015, 01:27 PM

9. Why do libs feel the need to use false statements to make a point?

He is not a strict constitutionalist,he does not worship the document and he is a RINO..

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #9)

Mon May 18, 2015, 01:47 PM

10. Hmmm, I guess you can ignore the "Enumerated Powers Act"

if you wish. He sure talked like a self-professed "Constitutional Scholar" in explaining his support for it.

You're right though, my point was that a quick perusal of his record shows he does treat the document like a "piece of toilet paper" so you seem to agree with me on that.

As far as a RINO? Hardly a perjorative and in fact probably the most positive thing I've heard about this clown.

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Response to Noumenon (Reply #10)

Mon May 18, 2015, 01:48 PM

11. So why the need to lie to make a point???

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #11)

Mon May 18, 2015, 01:51 PM

13. In your opinion it was a lie.

Historically, he demonstrated he can talk the talk about the Constitution just like all the other crazies.

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Response to Noumenon (Reply #13)

Mon May 18, 2015, 01:54 PM

14. I am sorry if you cannot admit you have to make up stuff to prove a point i am wasting my time.

Good day

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #14)

Mon May 18, 2015, 02:28 PM

19. Sorry, it's just confusing....

So many types of lies and not everyone recognizes a lie from a lie.

Ya got

1) lies cons tell to others to conceal their bankrupt philosophies

and then there's

2) lies cons tell themselves to accept their bankrupt philosophies

and last but NOT least

3) lies cons tell because they don't know any better themselves.

Sorry you got frustrated. Lindsey thinks he is a Constitution man, you say he is not and is a RINO to boot.

I think that means Lindsey is doing a number 3 and you're doing a number 1.


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Response to Noumenon (Reply #19)

Mon May 18, 2015, 02:30 PM

20. I am sure you find a lot of things confusing...

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #20)

Mon May 18, 2015, 02:34 PM

21. about flavors of con lies, of course.

But that doesn't mean that I don't care.

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Response to Noumenon (Reply #21)

Mon May 18, 2015, 02:37 PM

23. What con lies?

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Response to Noumenon (Reply #1)

Mon May 18, 2015, 02:49 PM

27. LW here already Applauds Obama for doing just that, LOL

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #27)

Mon May 18, 2015, 03:01 PM

29. Good point!

Of course Graham wasn't as careful to restrict his extra-constitutional approach to "war zones" outside of the country which is Obama's dodge.

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Response to Satanica (Original post)

Mon May 18, 2015, 12:19 PM

2. I knew Graham was a RINO.

Maybe Graham will try to channel FDR and set up internment camps?

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Response to Jack Burton (Reply #2)

Mon May 18, 2015, 12:49 PM

5. Naw, he'll be more like Conservative hero

 

Joe McCarthy who started the Red Scare, which I believe happened after he was defending the Nazi SS murderers of American POW's at Malmedy, France during the Battle of the Bulge.

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Response to meanitt (Reply #5)

Mon May 18, 2015, 03:11 PM

30. Belgium actually, Baugnez crossroads in Belgium to be pedantic

and it was Battery B 285 FA Observation bn and some MP's who were shot. Peiper though a nazi wasnt even present when it happened, he was moving onto Ligneuville.

For another those Germans were Tortured for confessions (during the Democrat Truman administration), so much so EVEN the US Army JAG had to intervene and toss the confessions on appeal.

The Simpson Commission in 1948 was formed to look into the treatment given, and concluded on Sept 14, 1948 the Germans had been Tortured.-
The commission supported Everett's accusations regarding mock trials & neither disputed or denied the charges of torture of the defendants. The Commission opined that the pre-trial investigation had not been properly conducted and that the members felt that no death sentence should be executed where such a doubt existed.

One of the members of the commission, Judge Edward L. Van Roden of Pennsylvania, made several public statements alleging that physical violence had been inflicted on the accused.

All but two of the Germans in the 139 cases we investigated had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair. This was standard operating procedure with our American investigators

http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/Malmedy_report.pdf
http://www1.jur.uva.nl/junsv/JuNSVEng/DTRR/DTCasesfr.htm
http://www.fredautley.com/pdffiles/book01.pdf


McCarthy started his investigation almost a Year AFTER the Army admitted they had tortured, staged Mock trial and executions to gain confessions.

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #30)

Tue May 19, 2015, 08:09 AM

33. So McCarthy stood up

 

for the rights of the Nazi SS.

I'm sure the families of the murdered US troops appreciated that.

If you are so big on the rights of war prisoners, perhaps you should start advocating for the Muslims who have been tortured in Gitmo then?

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Response to meanitt (Reply #33)

Tue May 19, 2015, 12:06 PM

35. No McCarthy stood up for the rights of POW's the USA tortured AFTER the war was over.

There is a Legal Difference long Recognized between a POW and an Illegal combatant. You should educate yourself on the difference before making a fool of yourself as you just did.
Understand I am not saying McCarthy was a nice guy, but he was correct (If Late to the party) to question the convictions of some men who weren't even physically present.

You sound like you would convict someone for murder who wasnt even there, says much about you What is Your Opinion on the Chenogne massacre done by the US 10th Armored division?

An eyewitness account by John Fague of B Company, 21st Armored Infantry Battalion (of the 11th Armored Division), near Chenogne describes the killing of German prisoners by American soldiers.

Some of the boys had some prisoners line up. I knew they were going to shoot them, and I hated this business.... They marched the prisoners back up the hill to murder them with the rest of the prisoners we had secured that morning.... As we were going up the hill out of town, I know some of our boys were lining up German prisoners in the fields on both sides of the road. There must have been 25 or 30 German boys in each group. Machine guns were being set up. These boys were to be machine gunned and murdered. We were committing the same crimes we were now accusing the Japs and Germans of doing.

...Going back down the road into town I looked into the fields where the German boys had been shot. Dark lifeless forms lay in the snow.

http://www.11tharmoreddivision.com/history/21st_aib_b_company.htm

Should anyone in 21st Armored Infantry still alive be tried and convicted for executing 60 german POW?

or how about the 328th US Infantry who gave this order-"No SS troops or paratroopers will be taken prisoners but will be shot on sight."
http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/7-8/7-8_End11.htm

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #35)

Tue May 19, 2015, 01:12 PM

36. So it's okay to torture "illegal combatants",

 

but American soldiers needed to be investigated for allegedly abusing Nazi SS prisoners?

I guess you've made that pretty clear.

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Response to meanitt (Reply #36)

Tue May 19, 2015, 01:36 PM

38. What you made very clear is YOU are OK with torturing POW's AFTER a war is over

to gain confessions from them (some were not even there when the massacre happened. And why? because YOU dont like one of the guys who stood up for the truth.

So Sad

And as to alleged abuse. the Army's JAG Admitted they had been tortured so again you are shiowing ignorance of the Facts.

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #38)

Tue May 19, 2015, 02:02 PM

39. As opposed to torturing prisoners DURING a war?

 

It's clear that you are all for torture, unless it's Nazi SS troops.

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Response to meanitt (Reply #39)

Tue May 19, 2015, 02:07 PM

40. No its clear you support torture for anyone who was defended by McCarthy. That's pretty vile

But expected

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #40)

Tue May 19, 2015, 02:22 PM

41. Nice try.

 

Miserable fail.

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Response to meanitt (Reply #41)

Tue May 19, 2015, 02:23 PM

42. On YOUR part?, Yes.....

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Response to Satanica (Original post)

Mon May 18, 2015, 12:34 PM

3. Where did he say Americans? You added that.

His comments as quoted at the link are not obviously about Americans. (If they were, his embrace of drone strikes within America would be even bigger news than his embrace of Thought Crime as a category.)

Graham is an awful person, but the addition of "Americans" to the headline makes the claim bogus.

Partisan gilding-the-lily is a common tactic. Take the truth and then add one layer of bullshit to help sell the underlying truth emotionally.

This is a tactic that works well because peeling away only one little layer of bullshit makes the critic appear petty... it's only one layer of bullshit, right?

So in this case, I would say, "Nothing in the OP article says Americans, you made that up in your headline."

And the reply would be, well, he is talking about people. Why are Arabs less human than Americans? (Total misdirection.) And we have killed Americans abroad who have joined ISIS. (Irrelevancy, since we have not killed Americans abroad merely for thinking about joining al queada or ISIS.)

So the characterization of the Graham quote is close enough to true that we should ingest a falsehood (that Graham said X) as truth based on claimed proximity to truth.

That is not how truth works. If Graham didn't say X then he didn't say X.

And the only reason anyone would read the article is that the made-up headline seeks to imply that he did say that... which would be newsworthy.

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Response to Zutak (Reply #3)

Mon May 18, 2015, 12:47 PM

4. Ok

 

He speaking about the people of planet earth

Where does he say he excludes Americans?

Do you actually think he's implying that he would call a judge in Indonesia about one of their citizens?

Or do you think he's calling a judge in United States about an American citizen?

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Response to Satanica (Reply #4)

Mon May 18, 2015, 01:50 PM

12. Do you have problems with obama and his drone program?

I love libs and that double standard stuff..

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #12)

Mon May 18, 2015, 02:04 PM

15. I don't have a problem with the drone program

 

I have a problem with Lindsey Graham saying he would kill Americans for their thoughts

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Response to Satanica (Reply #15)

Mon May 18, 2015, 02:06 PM

16. He did not say "Americans" you made that part up..Epic Fail.......

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #16)

Mon May 18, 2015, 02:18 PM

17. He was speaking to the humans on planet earth

 

Did you hear him exclude Americans?

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Response to Satanica (Reply #17)

Mon May 18, 2015, 02:20 PM

18. Did you hear him say Americans? You should let it go it is becoming embarassing.

Epic Fail...

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #18)

Mon May 18, 2015, 02:35 PM

22. So you actually think

 

That Lindsey Graham is threatening the citizens of other nations with a death sentence for their thoughts?

You actually think it's okay for our government to threaten other nations citizens because of their thoughts?

If I was the leader of another nation, I might consider preemptively removing the threat called Lindsey Graham before he does any damage

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Response to Satanica (Reply #22)

Mon May 18, 2015, 02:44 PM

25. Sorry you have jumped the shark, Good day....LMAO

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Response to Satanica (Reply #22)

Mon May 18, 2015, 03:17 PM

31. Does an Obama Drone shit in the woods?

Obama's BEEN killing people for their thoughts by drone for some time. That's included several American citizens.

Now how one can rationally howl about Graham wanting to kill, all the while kissing up to Obama for ACTUALLY killing is the height of LW hypocrisy.

And as usual your hypocrisy shows no bounds as you call for Graham to be killed, have you at long last no shame at all? YOU have just advocated murder of a US Senator and would be the first whining like a stuck pig had someone said that about Obama.

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #18)

Mon May 18, 2015, 02:42 PM

24. He didn't actually say humans

 

If you want to act silly

Who's to say he wasn't talking to the rabbits of earth?

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Response to Satanica (Original post)

Mon May 18, 2015, 12:50 PM

6. Lindsey Graham is a leftist who doesn't care about the constitution. That isn't news.

 

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Response to shortviking (Reply #6)

Mon May 18, 2015, 02:51 PM

28. You need to start realizing that both parties have the same goals.

 

Claiming that politician X isn't a true member of party Y does nothing but confuse the issue. Both parties have the same goals. There are no true Republicans or true Democrats.

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Response to shortviking (Reply #6)

Tue May 19, 2015, 04:23 PM

43. Graham is not a leftist. He's right-wing.

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Response to Satanica (Original post)

Mon May 18, 2015, 12:57 PM

7. Meh, pretty much par for the course nowadays

We already threaten people with losing their job, physical violence and burning down their personal property, for thinking marriage should be between one man and one woman.

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Response to kc_tim (Reply #7)

Mon May 18, 2015, 01:05 PM

8. We?

 

You got one tweet from a twit. blah blah blah

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Response to Satanica (Original post)

Mon May 18, 2015, 02:48 PM

26. Graham may want to, President Obama ACTUALLY Does.......




Gawd the LW howling at graham for wanting to murder while their Messiah actually does the same thing


oh the Irony is delicious as they cluelessly dogpile

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Response to Satanica (Original post)

Mon May 18, 2015, 10:31 PM

32. Oh the wacky things he and John McCain dream up

when they snuggle together.

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Response to Satanica (Original post)

Tue May 19, 2015, 08:50 AM

34. I hope those words haunt that old drama queen until the day he dies.

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Response to Satanica (Original post)

Tue May 19, 2015, 01:14 PM

37. I can't stand Lindsey Graham

 

He's the worst...

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Response to Satanica (Original post)

Tue May 19, 2015, 04:28 PM

44. He'll be ordering the air strikes from here ...

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