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Fri May 22, 2015, 03:12 AM

John Glenn: Evolution should be taught in schools

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — John Glenn, who declared as a 77-year-old in a news conference from space that "to look out at this kind of creation out here and not believe in God is to me impossible," says facts about scientific discovery should be taught in schools — and that includes evolution.

The astronaut, now 93 with fading eyesight and hearing, told The Associated Press in a recent interview that he sees no contradiction between believing in God and believing in evolution.

"I don't see that I'm any less religious by the fact that I can appreciate the fact that science just records that we change with evolution and time, and that's a fact," said Glenn, a Presbyterian. "It doesn't mean it's less wondrous and it doesn't mean that there can't be some power greater than any of us that has been behind and is behind whatever is going on."

Glenn — the first American to orbit the Earth, a former U.S. senator, a onetime Democratic presidential candidate, flier of combat planes in two wars, and recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom — ruminated on many other topics in the interview last week with the AP, including:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6e7dbdf3c8714cc3b6dd73d39134f8f8/john-glenn-evolution-should-be-taught-schools

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Reply John Glenn: Evolution should be taught in schools (Original post)
Strange Luck May 2015 OP
Konservative May 2015 #1
Roger Cavu May 2015 #6
nolidad May 2015 #2
MedusasRage May 2015 #4
JoePolitics May 2015 #8
rahtruelies May 2015 #9
Currentsitguy May 2015 #10
nolidad May 2015 #11
JoePolitics May 2015 #13
nolidad May 2015 #17
OTSmithers May 2015 #14
nolidad May 2015 #18
OTSmithers May 2015 #21
nolidad May 2015 #22
OTSmithers May 2015 #23
John Q Citizen May 2015 #16
nolidad May 2015 #19
VOTE May 2015 #3
johnaries01 May 2015 #5
Argentina May 2015 #15
nolidad May 2015 #20
MercATC May 2015 #7
saundersnorvell May 2015 #12

Response to Strange Luck (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2015, 03:19 AM

1. Evolution is taught in schools.

 

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Response to Konservative (Reply #1)

Fri May 22, 2015, 07:08 AM

6. Thread over

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Response to Strange Luck (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2015, 05:42 AM

2. Also , evolution is not a fact

But a still unproven theory. Scientists "believe" evolution caused the enormous biodiversity on earth, but they have no empirical data or evidence to call it a fact or reality.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #2)

Fri May 22, 2015, 06:59 AM

4. You need to learn what theory means in science.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #2)

Fri May 22, 2015, 07:26 AM

8. It's a fact, like gravity.

Great book you should read.

"What evolution is".

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Response to JoePolitics (Reply #8)

Fri May 22, 2015, 09:03 AM

9. Nah its a 'fact' like MMGW

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Response to JoePolitics (Reply #8)

Fri May 22, 2015, 09:15 AM

10. Technically it's not

Einstein pretty much chucked that out the window, but your point remains.

yeah, I know, I'm splitting scientific hairs here (or atoms, if you will) but still...

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Response to JoePolitics (Reply #8)

Sun May 24, 2015, 06:44 AM

11. I do know what evolution is

And it is not a fact. Facts are established in science on verifiable and testable and repeatable evidence. Evolution is based on interpretation of fossils and extrapolating horizontal adaptations in species and making it become the vehicle by which a chance created life became the biodiversity we see around us!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #11)

Sun May 24, 2015, 09:08 AM

13. Read the book. Packed with repeatable evidence.

Evolution has actually correctly predicted the existence of certain types of fossils which had yet to be found, multiple times.

Its also been demonstrated a few thousand times in selective breading of plants and animals of all types.

Evolution does not say life started by chance. That is YOU extrapolating. Evolution says nothing about how life started at that initial instant.

You clearly don't know what evolution is. Read that book and you will.

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Response to JoePolitics (Reply #13)

Sun May 24, 2015, 06:13 PM

17. I clearly know what evolution is

And I can predict certain fossils as a creationist.

"Selective Breeding" is designed directed manipulation of species. And that is horizontal variation not taking one genre (say dog) and turning it into another (say cat) which evolution says is fact!

I do know that science has left behind HOW life started- they just now deal with once it did this is how it blossomed!

And all that selective breeding is still variation within kinds not the upward of advancement say like taking a lizard and turning it into a bird as evolutionists so proud to say happened. Where is the proof?????

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Response to nolidad (Reply #2)

Sun May 24, 2015, 10:33 AM

14. You are 100% incorrect. We have mountains of data and evidence supporting evolution...

And none that argues against it. If a scientist discovered evidence that the theory of evolution was fundamentally wrong it would be one of the most breathtaking discoveries in science history, and a guaranteed Nobel prize. But that isn't going to happen.

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Response to OTSmithers (Reply #14)

Sun May 24, 2015, 06:17 PM

18. Well then

take just a few scoopfuls from those mountains of data and evidence and demonstrate how a raptor which went extinct 65 million years ago in the KT extinction caused by that meteor evolved into a bird 45 million years ago.

Show jaw to beak,
scales to feathers
reptilian bone to avian bone
show the evolution of the inverted knee
show the evoution of the musculature adapting to avian needs
show cold blooded to warm blooded
show the evolution of the lungs to an avian lung.

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Response to OTSmithers (Reply #21)

Mon May 25, 2015, 11:38 AM

22. Seen these already

These are tenets of scientific faith.

They assume that these are transitional, where is the proof- because they say so?

Apes and chimps are supposed to be our closest ancestors yet they are genetically 30% different- which is hundreds of billions of bytes of data.

They speak of mutation over thousands of generations. OK! But what they fail to say is that over 99.9% of all proven and verifiable mutations are either neutral or harmful to the host.

In horizontal variation then it is easy to understand, but even given the supposed millions of years with all the major extinctions involved- genetic mutation is still unable to produce vertical evolution (that is take a single cell organism and have it evolve to produce our biodiversity)

We have opinion, supposition, great artwork supporting "macro" evolution, but nothing that is scientific- that is testable, repeatable, and verifiable. every time it has been tired- it has failed.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #22)

Mon May 25, 2015, 12:08 PM

23. You are free to enjoy your illusions, but keep them out of our schools. nt

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Response to nolidad (Reply #2)

Sun May 24, 2015, 06:00 PM

16. You need to learn what empirical evidence and empirical data is.

Sometime.

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Response to John Q Citizen (Reply #16)

Sun May 24, 2015, 06:19 PM

19. I use this one from the dictionary

Empirical evidence (also empirical data, sense experience, empirical knowledge, or the a posteriori) is a source of knowledge acquired by means of observation or experimentation.

Do you use a different one???

em·pir·i·cal
əmˈpirik(ə)l/
adjective
based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic.
"they provided considerable empirical evidence to support their argument"
synonyms: experiential, practical, heuristic, firsthand, hands-on; More

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Response to Strange Luck (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2015, 06:53 AM

3. Great idea, John Glenn.

While children are taught about creationism let's also teach about other wonderful facts that are in the Holy Bible.

Let's talk about trees that are on fire and talk.

We need to teach children that Jesus was killed and then he came back to life, or what I like to call him "Zombie Jesus."

Don't forget to instill the concept that homosexuality is a choice and if the man continues his homosexual lifestyle he needs to be stoned to death. His body should lay in the streets to remind other men not to make crazy choices.

The planet we live on is only about 6000 years old so don't pay any attention to fake science like geology and that scam we call Carbon-14 dating.

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Response to Strange Luck (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2015, 07:00 AM

5. I had a college Physics teacher who was a preacher on weekends

who said he had a lot of people ask him "isn't there a conflict?"

His answer, "No. Because they seek to answer two different questions: science seeks to answer 'how?', while religion seeks to answer 'why?'".

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Response to johnaries01 (Reply #5)

Sun May 24, 2015, 05:54 PM

15. I see no contradiction between being a Christian and believing in evolution. I don't take the Bible

literally, unlike Fundies who use it as a science textbook.

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Response to Argentina (Reply #15)

Sun May 24, 2015, 06:21 PM

20. Which fundies use it as a science textbook?????

Whe the Bible speaks in the realm of science, it is accurate. When it speaks of History it is accurate.

Most fundies ( do you know what even means to fundies???) When they send their kids to Christian schools, for science we use science textbooks. Written by scientists no less!!!!!!

So then you do not use the Bible but your opinion of what it says then.

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Response to Strange Luck (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2015, 07:21 AM

7. The two theories are, logically, not mutually exclusive.

As far as school curriculum, only one has supporting data.

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Response to Strange Luck (Original post)

Sun May 24, 2015, 07:00 AM

12. When I see a mutation that actually is transitional

Between species I will be closer to believing....currently I feel there is as much evidence that we came from another planet, or were placed here by some creator as there is that we evolved from lake sludge...

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