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Tue May 13, 2014, 05:38 PM

So what's everyone's take on the current situation in Ukraine?

On DU it's a pretty hot topic that brings out some interesting debate. I personally think we should join up with Russia to divide up Europe for ourselves. It makes little sense for us to fight against each other when we can work together to create a new RussoAmerican century - or at least half century until China builds a moon base. Plus many Russians are pretty damn good looking. I'm sure even the straightest and god fearing of you conservative bible thumpers get weak in the knees when you see that sexy shirtless man-beast Putin riding a bear

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Reply So what's everyone's take on the current situation in Ukraine? (Original post)
christopher May 2014 OP
Commipinko May 2014 #1
Attera May 2014 #2
Commipinko May 2014 #9
BenghaziOracle May 2014 #3
christopher May 2014 #4
Sandernista May 2014 #11
Heyu May 2014 #5
christopher May 2014 #6
Heyu May 2014 #7
Zutak May 2014 #8
liberalguy May 2014 #10
Glue May 2014 #12
christopher May 2014 #13
akaConcernedCanuk May 2014 #14
jacklovespi May 2014 #15
ima o ikiru May 2014 #16
saber May 2014 #17
Commipinko May 2014 #18
Ben_Ghazi May 2014 #19

Response to christopher (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:39 PM

1. Russia plus six.

 

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Response to christopher (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:40 PM

2. LOL!!

 

You might want to add a JK or sarcasm tag, some might think you're serious

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Response to Attera (Reply #2)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:56 PM

9. Kidding?................

 

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Response to christopher (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:41 PM

3. Obama and US support Right Wing nutbags to revolt in Ukraine.

 

and it costs the US Billion of Dollars.

What else is there?

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Response to BenghaziOracle (Reply #3)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:43 PM

4. You didn't use the word fascist enough for that to be a compelling argument.

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Response to BenghaziOracle (Reply #3)

Tue May 13, 2014, 06:19 PM

11. He spent years supporting right wing nutbags here with his conciliatory gestures...

I guess he got tired and wanted to try something new.

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Response to christopher (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:43 PM

5. I think the people of Ukraine should decide.

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Response to Heyu (Reply #5)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:47 PM

6. Some may say they are deciding by taking to the streets and taking over government buildings

Which isn't much different than what the Euromaidan protesters did themselves. Although, the Euromaidan protesters didn't want to join another country, nor did they appear to be as well armed.

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Response to christopher (Reply #6)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:50 PM

7. I prefer elections than violence.

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Response to christopher (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:55 PM

8. Problem of Russian interference in Ukraine caused primarily by Russian interference in Ukraine

Russia has had roughly a zillion times more influence in everything that has happened in Ukraine going back months and years than the USA and the folks who don't get that are true useful idiots of a sort I never expected to meet.

The whole thing has shown the American alt-left (who I am sympathetic to in other areas) in a shockingly bad light.

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Response to christopher (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 06:16 PM

10. Kohbayashi Maru. n/t

 

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Response to christopher (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 06:20 PM

12. We can't divide up Europe,

until we take over Canada. Geez.

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Response to Glue (Reply #12)

Tue May 13, 2014, 07:51 PM

13. Mmmm poutine for all!

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Response to Glue (Reply #12)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:18 PM

14. Umm - Harper is letting the USA take over Canada piece by piece

heck,

we got our oil and gas tied up in commitments to the USA so badly we have to IMPORT oil from Venezuela among others, and even pay a surcharge to BUY BACK our gas when we run short - -

Houston,

we got a problem here . . .

(sigh)

CC

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Response to christopher (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:15 AM

16. It makes me very nervous. I was hoping that when we got rid of Bush, we would see an end to NeoCON

policies.

I know, I am an eternal optimist... but I did have high hopes.

My biggest concern is that these aggressive foreign policy moves, backing a coup d'├ętat, in Russia's back yard (and that is the perception in Russia and in many peoples view in the Ukraine as well, so please don't argue that is not what happened, as that doesn't matter... perception is everything) while not being able to secure the 2 weakest countries on the planet, Iraq and Afghanistan, then pivoting to Asia, then back to Europe, then back to the ME and Africa, will only entice stronger nations to challenge our world order e.g. China getting bolder in Asia, Russia not backing down towards our threats, etc.

We had a good thing going since the end of WWII and we now seem to be blowing it.

The thing that I keep coming back to when trying to understand our recent ill-advised reckless behaviour since the turn of the century that has and continues to do so much damage to our once great nation is that;

1. The greedy bastards that have corrupted all of our institutions are so blind with hubris (remember the "end of history" arrogance trumpeted by our elite, and the last nation who uttered such nonsense :chills that they are blind to the peril they are leading us into.

2. They know that the world is about to face huge, and sustained catastrophes with double body blows of climate change and peak oil (e.g. everything) that they are planing to get out in front of all the fighting that is bound to come.

Now I know a lot of our elites are stupid, but I also know that they all are not that stupid, and a lot of it is deliberately put out there just to distract and divide us, so I fear that #2 is what is really driving all this seemingly bizarre behaviour.

I sense that a new world order is being sought, and that we are in a panic, and are trying to do everything possible to hold onto the old one, where we were the Masters of the Universe, and we will do everything we can to try to stave off the inevitable changing of the seasons.

But what do I know... that's just the way it looks from the cheap seats.

peace

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Response to christopher (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:38 PM

17. It is not our business, and I love your humor

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Response to christopher (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:42 PM

18. that sexy shirtless man-beast is light years ahead of us in his handling of the whole "gay" thing.

 

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Response to christopher (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:47 PM

19. Obama foreign policy failed in syria

And now he's doubling down on it. His never ending red lines and petty sanctions make our country look weak. Pretty much a lose lose for everyone but putin.

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