Politicssincewerediscussingrace

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 06:51 AM

Will Democrats Apologize for Slavery and Segregation?

An open letter to Debbie Wassermann Schultz

http://spectator.org/articles/63244/will-democrats-apologize-slavery-and-segregation

A good History Lesson, and a fast read


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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 07:31 AM

1. The most telling point in the history was...

that all those bad things in your history lesson ended around 1972 with a building naming.

The author even realized how weak that was and so added the mewling about a website being altered to remove all the same old dates in 2008. Okay, so Democrats were raging racists, but the examples stop coming in the early 70's.

But why nothing recent Gunny? My theory is the racists found a new home and a new party....

One of that party's legends, Lee Atwater, was not afraid to discuss how the game works these days!

http://www.thenation.com/article/170841/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy

Old Lee gave a VERY nice confirmation of conservative dog whistles:

You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”

It's hard not to laugh at your premise when you see Lee's strategy implemented in the very last presidential campaign.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/28/rick-santorum/Santorum-Romney-claim-Obama-ending-welfare-work/

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/24/romney-makes-a-birther-joke-while-campaigning/

Yeah, there is certainly racism after the 1980's but Debbie don't need to apologize for that era....

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Response to Noumenon (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 08:07 AM

4. We call them RINOS and it is most telling that you mention a so-called shift by the democrats in their

racist attitude in the 70's, that time period was the advent of computers, more specifically the personal computer and information exchange via the advent of the Internet. This was a huge game changer for the people who had any interest in gaining knowledge and seekers of truth.

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Response to It Guy (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 08:19 AM

6. It certainly allowed extremists to find others to coordinate their unhealthy psychology...

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http://www.hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/IslamistReport.pdf

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/terror/R42536.pdf

But go on. I love hearing how Republicans never really listened to Lee Atwater even though they daily use the tactics he described almost 40 years ago.

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Response to Noumenon (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 02:17 AM

12. Yeah, and the gays infecting themselves with HIV was healthy?

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Response to It Guy (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 30, 2015, 07:44 AM

13. Well I wouldn't know about that personally.

Do gays bother you? I'm trying to figure out why they became relevant to the discussion.

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Response to Noumenon (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 10:19 AM

8. Exactly, it would be like apologizing for WWII internment

Camps decades after the camps were closed, or asking a German company to apologize for using Jewish slave labor decades after the war ended. Once the action has stopped and an appropriate amount of time goes by, your hands are washed for all sins.

I'm still not sure what that amont of time is, though. Based on my experience it varies wildly based on who did it and what party you support.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 07:31 AM

2. Sure they will.

Right after Jesus returns.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 07:39 AM

3. That's a cute little tantrum.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 08:14 AM

5. Why? It was the Conservatives that were/are pro-slavery.

The Liberals, not nearly so much... Ever.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 10:18 AM

7. They did, by turnng away from racism and supporting racist policies. They apologized over

 

forty years ago by rejecting racism.

The effect was to drive the racists into the republic party.

When will the GOP ever apologize for turning its back on Lincoln and the positive heritage of the GOP?

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 10:23 AM

9. History 101

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Response to SonderWoman (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 01:45 PM

10. But, but, but - it's heritage, not hate. I saw it on a bumper sticker. The sad reality is that the

 

Dixie apologists will NEVER give up their attachment for the confederacy.

My own wife, a south-Georgia born (but raised in Ohio) daughter of the confederacy, is as pro-civil rights and anti-bigot as they come.
The genesis for that was being "trapped" in an MLK march in Albany GA as an 8-year old in 1961. While her southern family was enraged at the event, it somehow set off a lifetime of dedication to racial equality for her - she just could not understand why people were racist. Children see reality much more clearly than we adults.

She has walked the walk of her talk for her entire life. As a school guidance counselor, she confronted bigotry and prejudice in her schools with an energy that often got her in trouble with the PtB, even to the point of suspensions.

But to this day, she insists the "War of Northern Aggression" was economic and slavery was a minor issue.
She insists that the Dixie Swastika really stands for southern heritage, not slavery (as its designer specified).
And she vehemently defends southern "culture" and any link of it to bigotry, etc.

If someone like that cannot be convinced to change their minds, I doubt that any with even a spark of bigotry in their hearts will ever change.

I think it comes down to a personal attack on her being that she is defensive against. She is not prejudiced but to admit that "her heritage" was is something she just cannot accept. After forty years, I have (almost) learned to just keep my mouth shut on the subject.

Of course, this past week re-lit the old argument and my "gloating" fanned the flames a bit until I shut up.

Just a personal insight from the front line of the "how the hell can they feel that way" battle.

And of course, I would assert that for the vast majority of those "it's heritage, not hate" idiots, it actually is hate.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 01:49 PM

11. We apologized by sending the Dixiecrats to the GOP.

They now run that party.

Your turn to kick them out.

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