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Sun Sep 20, 2015, 10:42 AM

Is Joe Biden acting as a stalking horse for Hillary?...

Stalking horse:

someone or something that is used to hide a true purpose; especially : a candidate for a political office or position who has no real chance of winning but is being used by a political party to weaken the support for an opposing party, to find out if another candidate might be successful, etc.

Not a precise usage in this case, but close. I'm speculating that Biden has no intention of following through with a candidacy, but is serving to weaken Sanders' position in support of Hillary. It just feels that way to me. Discuss...

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Reply Is Joe Biden acting as a stalking horse for Hillary?... (Original post)
Gamle-ged Sep 2015 OP
goodwords Sep 2015 #1
Immacolata Sep 2015 #6
goodwords Sep 2015 #8
Immacolata Sep 2015 #11
Immacolata Sep 2015 #13
goodwords Sep 2015 #14
NO_NO_DOWN_BADBOY Oct 2015 #19
rampartb Sep 2015 #2
joefriday6 Sep 2015 #3
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #5
Bob the Bilderberger Sep 2015 #4
Ms.Eloriel Sep 2015 #7
Gamle-ged Sep 2015 #9
graham4anything4HC45 Sep 2015 #10
Gamle-ged Sep 2015 #12
Doctor_R Sep 2015 #15
Gamle-ged Oct 2015 #16
NavyBrat Oct 2015 #17
The Center Holds Oct 2015 #18
Jardinier Oct 2015 #20

Response to Gamle-ged (Original post)

Sun Sep 20, 2015, 10:44 AM

1. I'm a Trump guy right this moment, but if Biden runs, he's my vote 100%.

I love that crazy bastard.

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Response to goodwords (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 20, 2015, 01:46 PM

6. Yea. Sure.

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #6)

Sun Sep 20, 2015, 01:50 PM

8. You better hope he runs or you will lose blue collar whites for a generation.

I hope he runs because he is an authentically decent AND outspoken guy. I trust him and would vote for him.

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Response to goodwords (Reply #8)

Sun Sep 20, 2015, 02:42 PM

11. Oh, yah, I believe you. Sure.

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Response to goodwords (Reply #8)

Sun Sep 20, 2015, 05:22 PM

13. Frankly, I don't believe you.

Joe Biden is a Democrat. I don't think that you are, nor would you ever vote for one.

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #13)

Sun Sep 20, 2015, 05:30 PM

14. Well, you would be wrong. Oops. People can be rational AND vote for a Democrat.

Like a John Lennon song....Imagine!

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Response to goodwords (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 01:41 PM

19. you probably would. he wrote the Patriot Act and 3-strikes. Co-authored civil asset forfeiture,

helped write anti-drug abuse act, voted for Iraq war, gave us Clarence Thomas on the USSC, joined with the GOP to stop a bill that would in certain cases make predatory lenders responsible for their predation, helped defeat amendments that would strengthen protection of people in bankruptcy due to medical debts or in the military.

He's what the moderate GOP used to be made of, before the flatglobers drove them off the right side of earth and he and his type took over the Democratic Party.

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Response to Gamle-ged (Original post)

Sun Sep 20, 2015, 11:15 AM

2. stalking horse might be the wrong phrase

fiorina may be a stalking horse, paid by another campaign to attack/contrast the opposing female.

biden is more like a relief pitcher, warming up in the bullpen in case the starter gets into a jam.

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Response to Gamle-ged (Original post)

Sun Sep 20, 2015, 11:34 AM

3. Doesn't matter to me. Before Obama, I used to like and respect Joe Biden. Now, I wouldn't vote

for him for US Dogcatcher. Also, I think a couple bulbs are missing from his chandelier.

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Response to joefriday6 (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 20, 2015, 01:29 PM

5. Have to agree with you there about the chandelier

He may have some neurological issues.
His behavior is notably disinhibited at times ...all the touchy-feely inappropriate touching, inappropriate language, etc.

Something seems a tad bit off.

Ronald Reagan may have been more impaired than the public was allowed to know about as well....get a feeling that G.H.W. Bush was really running the show during much of Reagan`s Presidency.

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Response to Gamle-ged (Original post)

Sun Sep 20, 2015, 12:30 PM

4. Obama's third term doesn't have a chance

And that's what Biden represents.

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Response to Gamle-ged (Original post)

Sun Sep 20, 2015, 01:49 PM

7. How does that work -- ??

Biden "serving to weaken Sanders' position in support of Hillary"

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Response to Ms.Eloriel (Reply #7)

Sun Sep 20, 2015, 01:55 PM

9. Dividing the anti-Hillary vote, pulling financial support from Sanders at a time he needs it?...

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Response to Gamle-ged (Original post)

Sun Sep 20, 2015, 02:08 PM

10. Anything to forward the legacy of President Obama is 100% AOK. Playing the game rules.

(double intender intentional).

Biden can run. He will get around 1000-1200 electoral votes, the VT senator around 240 or less
and President Clinton 3000-3400

Remember, any state someone don't get 15%, they get zero delegates.

and that is a great thing IMHO

baseball rules. the 1/2 game effect is always in place in baseball and in Delegates.

btw, I predicted all this many months ago, as I predicted the Wisconsin guy would go nowhere.
(for those that keep saying none of my predictions are ever right.)

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Response to Gamle-ged (Original post)

Sun Sep 20, 2015, 04:18 PM

12. Biden has less than three weeks to say whether he is running or not. The first Democratic debate...

.. is currently scheduled for October 13th. If he hasn't announced in time to join that debate, he is not running. And if he delays making a public statement one way or the other for the next week, I'd suggest that, for whatever reason, he is/was only trying to damage Sanders...

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Response to Gamle-ged (Reply #12)

Sun Sep 20, 2015, 05:34 PM

15. Rumor is...

maybe as late as November:

Skeptics, of course, insist that, by putting off his decision until late this month or early next (the timetable his people have floated), Biden has already waited too long to make his entry. Among the V.P.'s adjutants, though, a different view prevails: not only is it not too late, but it may make sense to wait even longer. Indeed, according to multiple sources familiar with the planning under way, Bidenworld is now gaming out, and perhaps even leaning towards, a new timetable—with the vice president waiting until late October or early November to join the race.

<snip>

But the new timetable might offer certain upsides. It would afford Biden and his people the chance to gauge whether Clinton is able to reverse her slide—or, on the contrary, reap the benefits from an enhanced sense of Democratic unease if her skid continues. It would, in particular, let Biden wait until after Clinton's Oct. 22 testimony to the House Select Committee on Benghazi, which might conceivably exacerbate her current maladies. It would still allow Biden to meet the handful of primary/caucus filing deadlines that commence in early November. It would give Bidenworld more time to put the functional pieces of a campaign in place. And it would give Biden himself more time to come to terms with the emotional turmoil still roiling inside him—and to be certain his family is in favor of him running, as well as being genuinely prepared for what it would entail.

Full article here:

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-09-14/biden-secretly-met-with-top-obama-bundler-during-new-york-swing

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Response to Gamle-ged (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 09:44 AM

16. So now, Biden will not participate in the first Democratic debates. Stalking horse behavior...

Vice President Joe Biden has extended his window for deciding whether to jump into the 2016 presidential campaign, several Democrats say, allowing the contest to play out even longer before he answers one of the biggest questions hanging over the race for the White House.

He is not preparing for the first Democratic debate on October 13 in Las Vegas and is not expected to participate, people close to him say, because he feels no pressure to reach a decision by then. He is likely to reveal his plans in the second half of October.

For more than two months, Biden has been studying the mechanics of what it would take to launch a candidacy. He and his team have been inundated by mounds of research and battle plans, but his original end-of-summer deadline passed without him reaching a conclusion.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/01/politics/biden-clinton-2016-democratic-debate/index.html

"Studying the mechanics of what it would take!?"

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Response to Gamle-ged (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 09:52 AM

17. I believe Joe is seriously conflicted.

 

I don't think he actually wants to run; but at the same time I believe he may feel that he owes it to Beau.

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Response to Gamle-ged (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 10:30 AM

18. No. If anyone is, TRUMP is Hillary's stalking horse.

That seems obvious.

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Response to Gamle-ged (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:30 PM

20. Sacrifical lamb is the term

that's used when a political party uses a candidate that doesn't stand a chance of winning in a particular district. A party runs him/her to make the opposing candidate accountable for his votes in debates/forums and to force him/her to spend their campaign money instead of giving it to another candidate challenging a candidate with a chance to win.

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