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Mon Sep 21, 2015, 06:30 PM

Obama's FBI set to start tracking US Citizens by fingerprints, street photos

The FBI plans to keep fingerprints from everyone that gets a background check, and put them in a searchable database along with criminals' fingerprints.

The FBI also wants to build up a searchable face recognition data base from photos taken on the street.

This looks like the first step in a plan to track all Americans.

We must campaign to stop it.

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Reply Obama's FBI set to start tracking US Citizens by fingerprints, street photos (Original post)
U.S.Awesome Sep 2015 OP
Doctor_R Sep 2015 #1
JoePolitics Sep 2015 #2
U.S.Awesome Sep 2015 #3
JoePolitics Sep 2015 #4
oldenuff35 Sep 2015 #10
Troll2 Sep 2015 #5
U.S.Awesome Sep 2015 #6
Troll2 Sep 2015 #8
U.S.Awesome Sep 2015 #9
oldenuff35 Sep 2015 #12
U.S.Awesome Sep 2015 #13
oldenuff35 Sep 2015 #19
orson Sep 2015 #15
U.S.Awesome Sep 2015 #16
Doctor_R Sep 2015 #17
Daves Not Here Man Sep 2015 #7
Lazarus Long Sep 2015 #11
U.S.Awesome Sep 2015 #14
Strange Luck Sep 2015 #18
Gamle-ged Sep 2015 #20
GoodCraic Sep 2015 #21
Ben_Ghazi Sep 2015 #22

Response to U.S.Awesome (Original post)

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 06:33 PM

1. Not going to be a big deal to leftists.

Now if this was George W. Bush...

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Response to Doctor_R (Reply #1)

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:09 PM

2. RW loved them some patriot act.

Sorry, but you guys let the horse out of the barn.

No President is giving the power back.

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Response to JoePolitics (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:14 PM

3. So, are you supposedly 'punishing' the RW now by not caring?

Yeah! That'll teach those RW'ers! Our President can screw up more stuff because your president did it first!

You guys could have made change happen....

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Response to U.S.Awesome (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:22 PM

4. When the patriot act was being debated ... Long before Obama was ...

... On the scene ... I predicted that if it passed, no president, NO PRESIDENT, would give back those powers.

I warned my Rw friends that it would not be long before they were complaining about a Democratic President having those powers.

I was right. I warned you guys.

This has nothing to do we me wanting to punish you. You did this to yourselves, and to the rest of us.

Fools.

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Response to JoePolitics (Reply #4)

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:50 PM

10. as I warned all the left and right wingers about these out of control social programs

Once people get their free money, free phones, and free medical they will never ever give it up or go to work and risk it being taken away.

That has been proven time after time......

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Response to U.S.Awesome (Original post)

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:28 PM

5. They only have your prints if you are a criminal or someone important

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Response to Troll2 (Reply #5)

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:31 PM

6. Not according to the article

The change, which the FBI revealed quietly in a February 2015 Privacy Impact Assessment (PIA), means that if you ever have your fingerprints taken for licensing or for a background check, they will most likely end up living indefinitely in the FBI’s NGI database.

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Response to U.S.Awesome (Reply #6)

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:37 PM

8. Lots of people go thru life without licensing or a background check

I've always assumed that they kept any fingerprints they received.

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Response to Troll2 (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:42 PM

9. True, but in the second article, the FBI submitted an RFQ to collect fingerprints in the field.

The FBI recently issued a request for quotations (RFQ) to build out its mobile biometrics capabilities. Specifically, it’s looking for software that can be used on small Android-based mobile devices like Samsung Galaxy phones and tablets to collect fingerprints and face images from anyone officers stop on the street.

If the plan goes through, it will be the first time the FBI will be able to collect fingerprints and face images out in the field and search them against its Next Generation Identification (NGI) database. According to the RFQ, FBI’s current mobile collection tools are “not optimized for mobile operations” because they are large and are limited in scope to determining if a person has “possible terrorist links (in the U.S. or abroad) or is likely to pose a threat to the U.S.”

This isn't some he-said she-said gossipy nonsense, this is the actual FBI submitting an actual request to realize this tracking program.

This is really important.

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Response to Troll2 (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:52 PM

12. I have been fingerprinted and back ground checked so many times

They will need an extra hard drive just to keep track of me. I'm not that hard to find but it would take them a month to figure out to look at my home address.

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #12)

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:58 PM

13. Problem is, they will soon be using these fingerprints

in their criminal database scans. Your fingerprints will be scanned thousands of times per day, trying to match you with a crime, and if it somehow matches you to a crime, you're already hosed. They may wind up rescinding charges when/if they discover you did not commit the crime, but they will have massively screwed up your life for a long time.

In 2004, the FBI mistakenly linked American attorney Brandon Mayfield to a bombing in Madrid based solely on forensic fingerprint evidence. The FBI seized his property, and he was imprisoned for two weeks before agents finally recognized their error and apologized. Researchers have postulated large face recognition databases could also result in false matches. This means that many people will be presented as suspects for crimes they didn’t commit.

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Response to U.S.Awesome (Reply #13)

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 08:03 PM

19. my prints and complete background information is already on file.

My past life adventures and TS security (with extended background checks) clearances didn't just magically go away. I've lived with the knowledge that it is all out there and will be forever.

It has not bothered anything yet. And yes, they would be remiss if they did not check all accumulated data when making finger print comparisons. This is nothing new it has been part of the process for a very long time.

The face recognition is newer but the fingerprint checks on all accumulated data are decades old.

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Response to U.S.Awesome (Reply #6)

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:59 PM

15. I have been told by conservatives, " If you haven't done

anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about." So what are you worried about?

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Response to orson (Reply #15)

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 08:00 PM

16. Have I ever told you that?

Then who cares?

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Response to U.S.Awesome (Original post)

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:34 PM

7. Of course! It's a step towards his eventual take over and sharia implementation.

Next step will be instructing the NSA to track our phone calls...

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Response to U.S.Awesome (Original post)

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:51 PM

11. Tin foil's on aisle three.

 

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Response to Lazarus Long (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 07:59 PM

14. None of this is made up.

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Response to U.S.Awesome (Original post)

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 08:02 PM

18. I do oppose them doing this, it is worth noting though:

This is the first time the FBI has allowed routine criminal searches of its civil fingerprint data. Although employers and certifying agencies have submitted prints to the FBI for decades, the FBI says it rarely retained these non-criminal prints. And even when it did retain prints in the past, they “were not readily accessible or searchable.” Now, not only will these prints—and the biographical data included with them—be available to any law enforcement agent who wants to look for them, they will be searched as a matter of course along with all prints collected for a clearly criminal purpose (like upon arrest or at time of booking).



The groundwork was laid for this in 2003/2004:

So, what is the benefit of conducting civil fingerprint background checks? Our statistics show an annual hit rate of 12 percent. This equates to approximately 900,000 checks per year being identified to individuals with existing criminal history records. In addition to the fingerprint check, all civil submissions undergo a name-based search of the subject against the wanted person file and the terrorist watch list located within the national crime information center.

A lot more here:
https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/fbi-fingerprint-program

To change this will take congress to change the law they made.

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Response to U.S.Awesome (Original post)

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 08:52 PM

20. It took a Democratic president to mount wheels and rocket motors on this sled to take us all...

... into the Person of Interest world ...

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Response to U.S.Awesome (Original post)

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 09:12 PM

21. if he was only interested in tracking

Illegals as closely.

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Response to U.S.Awesome (Original post)

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 10:55 PM

22. trump can use this to track liberals and leftist agitators

I'm ok with this since trump will be president in less than two years. It will also help with deporting illegals so it's all good.

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