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Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:14 PM

Guardian: Paris is being used to justify agendas that had nothing to do with the attack

The Paris attackers weren’t Syrian, and they didn’t use encryption, but the US government is still using the carnage to justify attempts to ban them both

The Guardian, 20/11/2015: The aftermath of the Paris terrorist attacks has now devolved into a dark and dishonest debate about how we should respond: let’s ban encryption, even though there’s no evidence the terrorists used it to carry out their crime, and let’s ban Syrian refugees, even though the attackers were neither.

It’s hard to overstate how disgusting it has been to watch, as proven-false rumors continue to be the basis for the entire political response, and technology ignorance and full-on xenophobia now dominate the discussion.


In a show of solidarity with Paris in the wake of the attack, the Flatiron Building in New York City pays tribute to the Eiffel Tower

First, there’s the loud “we need to ban encryption” push that immediately spawned hundreds of articles and opinions strongly pushed by current and former intelligence officials the day or two after the attacks, despite the government quietly admitting there was no evidence that the attackers used encryption to communicate. It was a masterful PR coup: current and former intelligence officials got to sit through a series of fawning interviews on television where they were allowed to pin any of their failures on Edward Snowden and encryption – the bedrock of privacy and security for hundreds of millions of innocent people – with virtually no pushback, or any critical questions about their own conduct.

The entire encryption subject became a shiny scapegoat while the truth slowly trickled in: as of Tuesday, it was clear that American and/or French intelligence agencies had seven of the eight identified attackers on their radar prior to the attacks. The attackers used Facebook to communicate. The one phone found on the scene showed the terrorists had coordinated over unencrypted SMS text messages – just about the easiest form of communication to wiretap that exists today. (The supposed ringleader even did an interview in Isis’s English magazine in February bragging that he was already in Europe ready to attack.)...snip
Full article: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/20/paris-attacks-political-agenda-immigration-encryption-surveillence

Comments from actual liberals:

UppityBlackWoman • 4 hours ago

Any excuse will do to shred the constitution and any notion we have of civil liberties. It's like 9/11 all over again. They just had to have the Patriot Act to go after terrorists. Except they went after American citizens and war protestors instead. We never learn....or do we?

bbybwood • 4 hours ago

In the meantime, our "close ally" Saudi Arabia, who we just did an $80 billion arms deal with, has sentenced to death a poet who renounced Islam:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/20/saudi-court-sentences-poet-to-death-for-renouncing-islam

I want to see the MSM question all the presidential candidates about THIS.

BTW, all those nifty weapons the U.S. is selling to Saudi Arabia, wouldn't it be sweet to micro-chip all those weapons so we could see exactly "where" they are going?!

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/the_paris_attacks_are_being_used_to_justify_agendas_that_20151120

How many "refugees" from the wars that Washington DC created is Saudi Arabia accepting? Or Israel? Never mind, no one in the US that wants to work doesn't have a job and medical care is free thanks to Dr. O.

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:19 PM

1. Striking resemblance to how the Left goes for gun-control.

It’s hard to overstate how disgusting it has been to watch, as proven-false rumors continue to be the basis for the entire political response, and technology ignorance and full-on xenophobia now dominate the discussion.


Especially the parts in bold.

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:31 PM

2. Never let a crisis go to waste.

Somebody said that. I believe he is from Chicago.

Apparently it is such an appealing approach to "governance" that it has caught on outside of Chicago.

People adapt. It shouldn't be a surprise.

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Response to In The Mood (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:18 PM

13. When a surprise crises actually presents itself, the spin masters go to work.

They have ready made narratives to attach to the crises and endeavor to control and guide the thought process of the masses to a conclusion that action of some sort must be taken.

The Hegelian Dialectic Theorem is the major tool of social engineers. It's a lever or leverage that is constantly used by all levels of government and some businesses and uses fear or anger. Fear is actually a component of anger.

Haven't you noticed that they always instill a false sense of panic and that action taken now is of the essence. Dire warnings of mass casualties and a point of no return is often trotted out. They must not allow the masses time enough to think and compare notes.

It's the same well worn ploy used time and time again. 911, OKC, Climate Change, Vaccines, Terrorism, Gun Control ect. Pick any of them and one sees the same patterns.

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:33 PM

3. Two of them used fake Syrian passports to get back into Europe

from the warzone.

I'm a leftwinger but I still possess common sense and a dose of skepticism and cynicism.

I don't buy into the lockstep adherence to liberal dogma.

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:37 PM

4. Except for the fact

at least two of them went to Syria and re-entered France posing as "refugees."

So they were citizens of France and/or Belgium.

The mere fact they felt it necessary to return as "refugees" says all I need to know.

Why was it necessary to go to Syria in the first place?

Wouldn't they have exposed themselves to less risk if they just remained in France/Belgium?

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:42 PM

5. They're fucking fascists, plain and simple.

They showed it after 9/11, going way beyond what was a reasonable response. Using fear as a tactic to push through horrific polices is their hallmark and they're doing it again right now.

It's their fault for being disgusting scumbags but it's also fault of the People for falling for it over and over and over again. They never seem to get smarter or wiser.

It's really sickening to see this bullshit in action again.

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Response to MrSlayer666 (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:00 PM

11. If they're fascists what's your response? Mewl like a wet kitten?

 

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:46 PM

6. The Guardian.....let's do refrugee law based on the Guardian reports

 

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:53 PM

7. Be fair. We are consistent.

15 out of the 19 terrorists involved in the 9/11 attacks were citizens of Saudi Arabia, and we blocked immigration from there immediately.

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Response to Ajax (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:55 PM

10. Got a link for that? I don't remember that happening. Or is that sarcasm? nt

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Response to Cyberpunk (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:56 PM

12. It was sarcasm (evidently, not very good sarcasm) nt

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:57 PM

8. Thankfully President Obama is doing his best to reject all of this, and the votes will end up

being meaningless.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:35 PM

14. Screw that. The only way to keep the political class from using these refugees as

a weapon to further erode our rights is to keep all refugees out. Build the damn border fence, send the illegals back and get the lying, thieving bastards under control.

The people have to wake up and quit allowing lawlessness to be the rule of the day.

Go ahead and vote for Hillary, you're only shitting yourself if you think that anything will change. I'm betting that things will get much, much worse. Corruption will explode under her presidency.

Haven't you looked around? Don't you see Americans at each other's throats? Don't you get that more of this crap from on high may just start an armed revolt?

It's coming.

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Response to It Guy (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 04:54 AM

15. actually, I see no such thing. I wake up and indeed, it's another beautiful day

99% of the people in America are already celebrating the holidays.

In actuality, this is the best of times for many.

The 1950s were a horrible time for most people.
Reagan and Bush41 were a horrible time for most people.

Now, with further equality for everyone here in the US most people are happy.
The sun has come up and I just don't see what your seeing in the bottom of the post written.

and in Canada, after years of Harper stench, Justin Trudeau had an amazing populist liberal victory.
Justin being Canada's version of Barack Obama ousting the Bush family.

The choice is Hillary vs. Jeb/Mitt or Mitt/Jeb. It is a wide and clear choice.

If only instead of the horrible Ronald Reagan/Bush41, we all had voted like I did for Jimmy Carter's second
term. Oil would have been a relic in the past.
Many things should be relics of the past.

eventually, they will be.

Forward. not backward.

bridges and hugs and kisses and money for schools worldwide, and in return, we should have
Frances healthcare system, simply the best in the universe.

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:48 PM

9. Thanks for th emany good points you made here, Aq. Rec. nt.

 

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Response to Aquila (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:05 AM

16. Many Republicans jumped to the wrong conclusion

Like they do so often.

As dishonest as the “debate” over encryption has been, the dark descension of the Republican party into outright racism and cynically playing off the irrational fears of the public over the Syrian refugee crisis has been worse. We now know the attackers weren’t Syrian and weren’t even refugees. It was a cruel rumor or hoax that one was thought to have come through Europe with a Syrian passport system, but that was cleared up days ago. But in the world of Republican primaries, who cares about facts?

Virtually every Republican candidate has disavowed welcoming any refugees to the US, and they are now competing over who is more in favor of banning those who are fleeing the very terrorists that they claim to be so against.

It doesn’t matter that the US has a robust screening system that has seen over 750,000 refugees come to the United States without incident – the Republican-led House has now voted to grind the already intensive screening process to a virtual halt (they were disgracefully joined by many Democrats). Chris Christie said the US should refuse widows and orphans. Rand Paul introduced a law to bar the entire Muslim world from entering the US as refugees. Donald Trump has suggested he would digitally track every Muslim in the county.

As The Intercept’s Lee Fang documented in detail, the rhetoric spewing from the mouths of the Republican Party sounds almost word for word like the racists during World War II that wanted the US to refuse Jews on the basis that they might be secret Nazis.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/20/paris-attacks-political-agenda-immigration-encryption-surveillence

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