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Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:07 PM

Governor Beshear Restores Voting Rights To 140,000 Ex-Felons

This is great news http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/11/24/3725523/kentucky-ex-felon-voting-rights-restored/

In a small handful of states, people convicted of a felony are automatically stripped of their voting rights, even after they’ve finished serving their sentences. Today, Kentucky took a major step to fix that problem.
Outgoing Gov. Steve Beshear (D) signed an executive order on Tuesday to restore voting rights for many of the 180,000 Kentuckians who have been served a felony sentence but remain disenfranchised.

He announced the move on Twitter:

Steve Beshear @GovSteveBeshear
I’ve signed an EO that automatically restores the right to vote & hold public office to certain offenders who’ve served out their sentences
9:15 AM - 24 Nov 2015
The Brennan Center for Justice estimates that Beshear’s executive order will immediately allow 140,000 Kentuckians to restore their voting rights, and an additional 30,000 will be eligible down the road. The organization praised Beshear’s order as “an incredible breakthrough in the movement to end criminal disenfranchisement policies nationwide.”

The restoration of voting rights does not apply to ex-felons who were convicted of violent crimes, sex crimes, bribery or treason.

“The right to vote and the right to hold office are fundamental foundations of our democracy,” Beshear said in a press conference, according to the Louisville Courier-Journal. “Yet in Kentucky, it is estimated that we deny those rights to over 180,000 thousand adults. Why? Simply because at some point in their lives they’ve been in trouble with the law. We ignore the fact that they have paid for their crimes.”

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Reply Governor Beshear Restores Voting Rights To 140,000 Ex-Felons (Original post)
Letmypeoplevote Nov 2015 OP
U.S.Awesome Nov 2015 #1
the more you know Nov 2015 #2
Pony Express Nov 2015 #3
City Kitty Nov 2015 #17
the more you know Nov 2015 #19
City Kitty Nov 2015 #20
Daves Not Here Man Nov 2015 #30
the more you know Nov 2015 #31
Daves Not Here Man Nov 2015 #33
the more you know Nov 2015 #34
Daves Not Here Man Nov 2015 #35
the more you know Nov 2015 #39
brew9876 Nov 2015 #36
Banshee 3 Actual Nov 2015 #37
brew9876 Nov 2015 #38
Ben_Ghazi Nov 2015 #4
Grumpy Pickle Nov 2015 #5
U.S.Awesome Nov 2015 #6
Grumpy Pickle Nov 2015 #8
U.S.Awesome Nov 2015 #11
Grumpy Pickle Nov 2015 #13
U.S.Awesome Nov 2015 #16
Grumpy Pickle Nov 2015 #18
U.S.Awesome Nov 2015 #23
Grumpy Pickle Nov 2015 #26
U.S.Awesome Nov 2015 #29
_eek Nov 2015 #47
It Guy Nov 2015 #40
Grumpy Pickle Nov 2015 #42
It Guy Nov 2015 #43
Grumpy Pickle Nov 2015 #44
Ben_Ghazi Nov 2015 #7
U.S.Awesome Nov 2015 #12
RattyG Nov 2015 #9
Lira Nov 2015 #10
the more you know Nov 2015 #14
Lira Nov 2015 #21
Randy4anything4EW45 Nov 2015 #15
Lira Nov 2015 #22
john262 Nov 2015 #24
MedusasRage Nov 2015 #25
john262 Nov 2015 #27
MedusasRage Nov 2015 #28
I814U2CY Nov 2015 #32
Roger Cavu Nov 2015 #41
Letmypeoplevote Nov 2015 #45
Letmypeoplevote Nov 2015 #46

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:12 PM

2. democrats - we'll take any vote we can get, even from murders, rapists and sex offenders

because we don't give a fuck who votes for us, as long as we win. Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.

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Response to the more you know (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:16 PM

3. You Obviously Didn't Read the Article

Try Again

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Response to the more you know (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 09:09 PM

17. You Know What's Really Pathetic?

The blatant lie you just told in order to smear Democrats.

Posted above:

The restoration of voting rights does not apply to ex-felons who were convicted of violent crimes, sex crimes, bribery or treason.

You did not have to link to the article. It's right on this page where everyone can see it.



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Response to City Kitty (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 09:16 PM

19. I'm not talking only about this case, it's just a known fact that democrats will openly

accept votes from anyone in order to win. democrats don't give a shit who votes for them or how many times.

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Response to the more you know (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 09:23 PM

20. Ah! Doubling Down

Throwing on more bullshit, piling it higher and thicker, won't excuse the ignorance.

Do Republicans keep certain people from voting for them?

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Response to the more you know (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:28 AM

30. What makes you think someone who's a criminal even votes?

Think they give two shits?

Lots of white guys in jail, btw...you know..the majority of republicans are white. So one could conclude a bunch of those criminals share your politics. Pathetic, indeed.

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Response to Daves Not Here Man (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 01:24 PM

31. Proving once again that democrats can't survive without playing race based politics

Try just once not equating votes to skin color, you might learn something.

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Response to the more you know (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 01:52 PM

33. Says the guy equating criminals to dem voters.

Could you please link the stats that say republicans aren't majority white voters? I mean you're saying the criminals would be democratic voters, I'm saying that they're are surely a bunch of republican voters in jail, too. There's gotta be. If your base consists of a majority of white people. Then there's a great possibility that a large sum of those inmates would be white and very likely vote republican. I dunno why you can't grasp that.

Of course race plays into voting demographics. Obama pulled a massive amount of black voters. Do you think republicans aren't trying to reach out to minorities? GOP chairman himself has stated such. Instead of stating I need to learn something, you might wanna hit school up yourself.

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Response to Daves Not Here Man (Reply #33)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 04:22 PM

34. Are you maybe confusing me with someone else who you were having a conversation with?

You've gone off the deep end and I'm not really sure what the fuck you're babbling about at this point nor do I really give a fuck.

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Response to the more you know (Reply #34)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 04:25 PM

35. No, I'm responding to you.

https://m.

Me, too!

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Response to Daves Not Here Man (Reply #35)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 05:53 PM

39. Are you sure?

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Response to the more you know (Reply #34)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 04:26 PM

36. I know what you mean

I'm not sure if lefties are learning some kind of new language but most of what they say nowadays is babbling drivel.

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Wed Nov 25, 2015, 04:48 PM

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #37)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 04:52 PM

38. Thanks "Banshee 3 Actual" for the results.

And thank you alerter for the

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:17 PM

4. they should restore their 2nd amendment rights as well.

Why this selective restoration of rights? Give them all back!!!

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Response to Ben_Ghazi (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:22 PM

5. You want a felon to be able to legally have a gun ?

whaaaat ?

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:23 PM

6. Yes, because The Constitution.

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Response to U.S.Awesome (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:30 PM

8. A felon gives up some of his constitutional rights

That`s part of the consequences of committing a crime.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:42 PM

11. No, in reality, any law that says someone is not allowed to have guns is unconstitutional.

Laws do not trump the constitution.

Why?

Because the Constitution, specifically the Bill of Rights, is there to protect the minority from MAJORITY opinion. You say part of the consequences of committing a crime is losing some rights. The problem with that ideology is that, in society, things that are considered crimes are changing on a daily bases. What once was a crime is no longer a crime, and vice versa.

The Constitution is meant to protect individual rights from the fickle population at large. A majority of people should not get say over the individual rights of others, as expressed in the Constitution.

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Response to U.S.Awesome (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:50 PM

13. Are you going to allow a psychiatric patient to own a gun ?

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:56 PM

16. Of course.

Put that on the record.

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Response to U.S.Awesome (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 09:11 PM

18. omg....how about a blind person ?...bet they can be trusted to shoot accurately, huh ?

Irresponsible.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 10:44 PM

23. A blind person has all the same rights as the rest of us.

That's really all there is to it.

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Response to U.S.Awesome (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:00 AM

26. Really ?....they DO NOT have the right to drive a car.

That would put other people in danger.

What is wrong with you ?

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #26)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:15 AM

29. There is no "right" to drive a car.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #26)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:33 PM

47. But they can own one..

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:36 PM

40. Apparently you don't know much about mental illness and you are spouting typically ignorant

rhetoric and promoting stigmas. As with most any physical illness there are outcomes of healing and overcoming the illness and the same holds true of mental illness.

Much of today's society is stressed to the point of fact that 1 in 4 Americans are taking one psych med or another and yet they function and appear for the most part normal. It is also a fact that psychiatry has never cured any mental illness, but they sure as hell can define any mental aberration that deviates from "accepted norm."

It is a fact that accepted norms of behavior differ substantially from one culture to another, so that in essence the norm is subjective and particular to that culture.

There is some innovative thinking by psychologists and psychiatrists that all abnormalities of behavior can be traced back to one's childhood and in particular to four main types of abuse. These are neglect, emotional, sexual and physical abuse. Of all of these, it is emotional abuse that leaves the deepest and longest lasting affects and is the most difficult to treat if not in some cases impossible.

So, is it now your opinion that anyone taking psych meds due to childhood trauma should be stripped by the state of lawfully posessing a weapon for self defense and be once again exposed and vulnerable?

You should watch this vid. It's called Child of Rage and is about Beth Thomas. She became a psychopath at a very young age. Why? After intensive therapy she became a nurse and regained empathy. She was one sick puppy. So should she, because she once was mentally ill to be stripped forever of her right of self defense?















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Response to It Guy (Reply #40)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 08:35 AM

42. I was refering to the mentally impaired.

People that have to be institutionalized and are not deemed competent.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #42)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:24 PM

43. Institutionalized? You should read up on the history of psychiatry and asylums.

The asylums of yesteryear have, for the most part, been torn down and replaced by jails and prisons. Once a person is deemed to be unfit in society, the system acts to trip these people up and into court ordered medicating and therapy.

This is not to say that there are criminals who aren't justly incarcerated, but the vast majority of those imprisoned also suffer some type of mental illness. Trying to split hairs by calling these people mentally impaired is just a deflection of your use of that term and perpetuates the stigma that impairment is incurable and they are dangerousness.

There are many laws that are used to criminalize certain behaviors of people that are designed to sweep and designed to target people into a voracious criminal justice system that justifies itself and extorts funding from the taxpayers in the name of keeping the population "safe."

The system can only see itself as a hammer so everything else has to be a nail.

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Response to It Guy (Reply #43)

Fri Nov 27, 2015, 04:19 AM

44. There are people that ARE chronically mentally impaired

Brain damaged people. People with severe autism.

But they should have the right to own a gun ?

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:29 PM

7. if you're not in jail you should have all constitutional rights.

As well as your liberty. You cant pick and choose what rights people have, they get all of them. Unless incarcerated, of course.

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Response to Ben_Ghazi (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:44 PM

12. I agree with your sentiment, but I want to nit-pick.

Even in prison, all citizens should have all rights.

Do prisoners have the right to own a gun? Absolutely. The prison has the right to ban guns on their private premises, however.

That's probably what you meant, but I needed to nit pick

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:30 PM

9. thats at the state level not federal voting rights

they also cant apply for federal jobs

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:36 PM

10. 9% of Floridians can't vote

because they have been convicted of a felony. FL is one of 3 states that take away the right for life!

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Response to Lira (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:55 PM

14. 9% of Floridians have been convicted of a felony?

That's quite a powerful statement alone.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:55 PM

15. Are you hoping the convicted felons vote Democratic?

 

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Response to Randy4anything4EW45 (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 09:33 PM

22. You have to ask?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 10:52 PM

24. Governor Elect Bevin has said that he will rescind this executive order.

Whether he can do it retroactively I don't know but at least he will be able to stop it going forward.

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Response to john262 (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 11:10 PM

25. The article says Bevin also supports the move:

On December 8th, Beshear will be replaced by Gov.-elect Matt Bevin (R). However, during his gubernatorial campaign against Jack Conway (D), Bevin told Insider Louisville that he too supported automatically restoring the voting rights of ex-felons after they were released. Bevin even declared that he would be willing to lobby opposition within his own party on the issue.

Of course he already has quite the reputation of going back on what he says.

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Response to MedusasRage (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:15 AM

27. Sorry about the misinformation.

I must be getting old.

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Response to john262 (Reply #27)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:33 AM

28. No problem. I wouldn't have known if I hadn't already read something about it.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 01:35 PM

32. Does this mean they're eligible to possess guns again?

 

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:16 PM

41. They are not ex-felons

They are ex-cons

Just sayin

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Sun Nov 29, 2015, 09:24 PM

45. Kentucky Governor Creates New Process to Help Restore Voting Rights to 170,000 Citizens

Here is a good report on this development from the Brennan Center https://www.brennancenter.org/press-release/kentucky-governor-creates-new-process-help-restore-voting-rights-170000-citizens

Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear issued an executive order today that will make it possible for more than 170,000 Kentucky citizens with past criminal convictions to get back their right to vote — an estimated 140,000 are immediately eligible to have their rights restored and another 30,000 will be over time. The announcement is an incredible breakthrough in the movement to end criminal disenfranchisement policies nationwide.

Kentucky was one of only three states — along with Florida and Iowa — to permanently bar citizens with past convictions from voting. But its constitution does grant the governor broad authority to restore voting rights. Today’s action moves the state closer to the mainstream than any Kentucky governor has before.

Beshear’s order makes rights restoration available for citizens who fully complete their sentences and were disenfranchised because of non-violent convictions. Citizens currently serving sentences will get a certificate of rights restoration and a voter registration application in the mail when they complete their sentence and get their discharge papers. Those who already have completed sentences will be able to contact the state to initiate that same process. Before today, all citizens with felony convictions had no hope for rights restoration unless they could personally persuade the governor to restore rights to them individually. And under a previous governor, Kentucky citizens once had to submit an essay with three character references when applying to receive their right to vote back.

The figures used to assess the order’s impact were estimated using data from several sources, including the 2010 U.S. Census, the Sentencing Project’s estimates of disenfranchised populations, and federal Bureau of Justice Statistics data of the proportion of individuals on parole and probation with felony convictions classified as non-violent or otherwise.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:22 PM

46. Governor Restores Voting Rights To Thousands

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