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Thu Dec 10, 2015, 07:41 AM

Fox News breaks out yet another Benghazi lie to give life to a long discredited conspiracy theory

Did the White House withhold aid from people under attack in Benghazi? No, but Fox News wants you to think that.

This sort of talk has dwindled as investigation after investigation concluded that there was no secret political plot, and there was no deliberate withholding of military assets. But it’s notoriously difficult to kill a conspiracy, and there are plenty of disreputable actors out there who are still trying to prove that the Obama administration allowed people to die out of political expediency.

That brings us to Fox News, which published a hot scoop yesterday claiming that a newly unearthed email “appears to contradict testimony Defense Secretary Leon Panetta gave lawmakers in 2013, when he said there was no time to get forces to the scene in Libya, where four Americans were killed, including U.S. Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens.” The email, from Panetta’s chief of staff at the time, was sent to the office of then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on the evening of the attacks. “After consulting with General Dempsey, General Ham and the Joint Staff,” it reads, “we have identified the forces that could move to Benghazi. They are spinning up as we speak.”

This is a rather clumsy sleight of hand that Fox News is trying to pull here. As Matt Gertz demonstrates, there is no actual contradiction between the email and what Panetta said. The email states that the Pentagon had identified assets to send to Benghazi and was mobilizing them. Panetta said in his testimony that they mobilized assets but they couldn’t arrive in time to make a difference. The Pentagon timeline of the attack response makes clear that Panetta ordered Marine anti-terrorism teams and special forces teams to respond, but they did not make it to Libya until well after the attacks had concluded. Fox News is hoping that people will interpret the email to mean that there were reinforcements that could have arrived in Benghazi almost immediately, which is not what it actually said.

If you’re looking for more proof that this is all nonsense, take a look at the report of the (Republican-controlled) House Armed Services Committee’s investigation into Benghazi. It catalogued all the logistical and diplomatic difficulties encountered in dispatching the response teams that Panetta ordered mobilized. It also discounted the idea that fighter jets or any other sort of manned aircraft could have feasibly been dispatched quickly enough to make a difference. “Given the military’s preparations on September 11, 2012, majority members have not yet discerned any response alternatives that could have likely changed the outcome of the Benghazi attack,” it concluded.

http://www.salon.com/2015/12/09/just_give_it_up_already_fox_news_breaks_out_yet_another_benghazi_lie_to_give_life_to_a_long_discredited_conspiracy_theory/

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Reply Fox News breaks out yet another Benghazi lie to give life to a long discredited conspiracy theory (Original post)
New Deal Democrat Dec 2015 OP
Gunslinger201 Dec 2015 #1
New Deal Democrat Dec 2015 #3
Gunslinger201 Dec 2015 #5
New Deal Democrat Dec 2015 #7
Gunslinger201 Dec 2015 #8
RATFINK_5.0 Dec 2015 #11
Gunslinger201 Dec 2015 #12
I814U2CY Dec 2015 #2
EGTrise Dec 2015 #4
New Deal Democrat Dec 2015 #6
JoePolitics Dec 2015 #10
Doctor_R Dec 2015 #14
EGTrise Dec 2015 #17
Doctor_R Dec 2015 #20
EGTrise Dec 2015 #21
Doctor_R Dec 2015 #26
EGTrise Dec 2015 #27
Doctor_R Dec 2015 #28
New Deal Democrat Dec 2015 #30
Doctor_R Dec 2015 #31
Sardis Dec 2015 #23
MrSlayer666 Dec 2015 #9
Grumpy Pickle Dec 2015 #15
Doctor_R Dec 2015 #13
EGTrise Dec 2015 #16
Doctor_R Dec 2015 #18
EGTrise Dec 2015 #19
Doctor_R Dec 2015 #22
orson Dec 2015 #24
EGTrise Dec 2015 #25
Lefty Dec 2015 #29
U.S.Awesome Dec 2015 #32
New Deal Democrat Dec 2015 #33
U.S.Awesome Dec 2015 #34

Response to New Deal Democrat (Original post)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 07:51 AM

1. Not just a river in Egypt

They catch this administration in Lie after Lie after Lie and you blindly follow this Obamaturd right over the cliff

Do you REALLY believe in him that much?

He's a piece of ****

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 07:59 AM

3. You mean lies like the one just "reported" by Fox?

Because it's not really a lie. Salon easily proved that.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 08:04 AM

5. Salon?

OMG

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 08:06 AM

7. Fox News?

OMG

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 08:09 AM

8. Obama lies, and you just soup it up

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 08:28 AM

11. Ben Ghazi ... ! Uh, I Mean Tattooine !



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Response to RATFINK_5.0 (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 08:31 AM

12. Stop being so blind

How the Fuck is a bunch of thugs conquering the Middle East if Obama isn't letting them?

He's barely lifted a finger

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Original post)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 07:53 AM

2. So where is the email showing Princess or the Queen saying something to the effect of

 

"Do everything you can. Go!"

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Original post)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 07:59 AM

4. Benghazi is a religious belief for RWers.

As has been extensively demonstrated here, no amount of facts is going to change their minds.

Vince Foster was murdered.
Lois Lerner will be indicted any day now.
Hillary is about to be charged with...something.
Trey Gowdy is really looking for the truth.
Benghazi. And also, Benghazi.

They are like the end of the world cults. It doesn't matter how many times their glorious leaders have been wrong, the REAL end of the world will be here any time now.

In the meantime, buy more gold from this guy:


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Response to EGTrise (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 08:04 AM

6. I know, I'm just having fun.

Sometimes I get bored by the drone of wingnut fantasies like this one. The birther fairy tales were more entertaining.

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Response to EGTrise (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 08:26 AM

10. That's the truth.

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Response to EGTrise (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 08:41 AM

14. Wow.

Do you really believe Glenn Beck has gold to sell?

I'll bet William Devane has plenty too, since he's "selling" it too.

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Response to Doctor_R (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 09:10 AM

17. Wow. No connection to reality at all.

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Response to EGTrise (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 09:21 AM

20. So,

all that gold being bought comes from Mr. Beck's personal stash

Something tells me that's a(nother) lw lie.

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Response to Doctor_R (Reply #20)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 09:22 AM

21. A RWer is trying to deflect again.

Alert the media!

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Response to EGTrise (Reply #21)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 09:29 AM

26. When you say

In the meantime, buy more gold from this guy it indicates "this guy" actually has gold to sell you, when in fact, that is not the case at all.

Now, if you would have said something like "In the meantime, buy more gold from the company this guy does commercials for," that would make perfect sense.

But, that's not what you said at all.

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Response to Doctor_R (Reply #26)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 09:32 AM

27. RW rule: No matter how badly you have had your ass handed to you, always get the last post.

Because then victory!

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Response to EGTrise (Reply #27)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 09:47 AM

28. "Because then victory!"

Another example of not paying attention in school.

You are the one not answering questions, yet I "lost?"

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Response to Doctor_R (Reply #28)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 01:59 PM

30. Yes, you lost.

You don't win a debate by simply doubling down when you are clearly proven wrong. And you didn't help yourself by refusing to admit the obvious.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #30)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 02:06 PM

31. When you find a

reply to that email that says "Go," or ANY email that authorizes a mission to the consulate or that CIA "safe house," let me know.

The only problem with that is you'll never find it because you aren't looking for it and you have no intention of EVER looking for it.

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Response to EGTrise (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 09:23 AM

23. Did you have to with the ugly mug?

I was eating.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Original post)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 08:17 AM

9. Right wing "conservatism" is a cult.

They'll only believe the myths more fervently the more you debunk them. It's why trying to argue with most of them is pointless.

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Response to MrSlayer666 (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 08:44 AM

15. Uh-oh...a cult !

Scary stuff..

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Original post)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 08:37 AM

13. What was the

reply to that email.

There's only three choices:

1) The reply was "No," making it the wrong reply.

2) The reply was "Yes," making it the correct reply.

3) There was no reply at all, making it the worst choice of the three.

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Response to Doctor_R (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 09:07 AM

16. When did you stop beating your wife?

Obviously you haven't, since you have no proof of it.

I have no idea how RWers manage to get through the day with magical thinking like this.

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Response to EGTrise (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 09:19 AM

18. Umm..

Pretty silly question to ask someone who has never been married.

There either WAS a reply or there WASN'T.

I wonder why lwnj's aren't interested in the answer.

Wait.

No I don't.

I already know the answer.

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Response to Doctor_R (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 09:20 AM

19. You either stopped beating her, or you didn't.

Since you have no proof, you must still be beating her.

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Response to EGTrise (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 09:23 AM

22. Can't

read, huh?

Sorry.

Should have paid attention in English class.

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Response to EGTrise (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 09:24 AM

24. It's hard to have a conversation

with people who endlessly repeat the same fantastic assertions based on innuendo, half truths and outright lies.

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Response to orson (Reply #24)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 09:28 AM

25. It's pretty amazing.

It is cult thinking. No hyperbole required.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Original post)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 11:14 AM

29. For the (hopefully) last time ...Ben Gazzara is dead!

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Original post)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 02:08 PM

32. Here's the contradiction, plain and simple even for a 5th grader:

Email to State: “we have identified the forces that could move to Benghazi. They are spinning up as we speak.”

Panetta's testimony: “time, distance, the lack of an adequate warning, events that moved very quickly on the ground prevented a more immediate response.”

He forgot to mention that what also prevented a more immediate response was the fact they ignored this email and were unreachable by phone at the time. Then they tried to keep this email hidden, and they were able to keep it hidden for years.

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Response to U.S.Awesome (Reply #32)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 02:54 PM

33. Then you must have dropped out before the 5th grade.

The Salon article clearly shows why that is not a contradiction. You don't even have to hit the link. I furnished an excerpt that you didn't bother to read.

Panetta said in his testimony that they mobilized assets but they couldn’t arrive in time to make a difference.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #33)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 02:55 PM

34. Wrong assets.

Let's bring him back to the stand so he can tell us how he responded to this specific request. Because there are no email or phone records that show him mobilizing these specific assets.

Penetta: "We did stuff, but it wasn't enough and we didn't have enough time."

Yeah, probably because you were too busy to respond to requests for deployment.

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