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Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:36 PM

Brian Sandoval vetted for USSC

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JUST IN: Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval, a Republican, being vetted for Supreme Court pick - NBCNews

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Reply Brian Sandoval vetted for USSC (Original post)
Currentsitguy Feb 2016 OP
daemons Feb 2016 #1
Roger Cavu Feb 2016 #8
daemons Feb 2016 #13
Roger Cavu Feb 2016 #30
daemons Feb 2016 #33
Roger Cavu Feb 2016 #34
daemons Feb 2016 #38
Roger Cavu Feb 2016 #41
daemons Feb 2016 #45
Roger Cavu Feb 2016 #46
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daemons Feb 2016 #49
Roger Cavu Feb 2016 #42
Pony Express Feb 2016 #50
Roger Cavu Feb 2016 #53
Roger Cavu Feb 2016 #63
Valishin Feb 2016 #48
John Q Citizen Feb 2016 #69
daemons Feb 2016 #70
John Q Citizen Feb 2016 #72
Gamle-ged Feb 2016 #47
daemons Feb 2016 #51
City Kitty Feb 2016 #9
City Kitty Feb 2016 #2
Guyzilla Feb 2016 #3
Gunslinger201 Feb 2016 #4
daemons Feb 2016 #6
Gunslinger201 Feb 2016 #11
daemons Feb 2016 #14
Gunslinger201 Feb 2016 #27
daemons Feb 2016 #36
Valishin Feb 2016 #52
daemons Feb 2016 #54
Valishin Feb 2016 #58
Currentsitguy Feb 2016 #5
Juan Rico Feb 2016 #7
daemons Feb 2016 #15
Juan Rico Feb 2016 #19
daemons Feb 2016 #22
Qukid Feb 2016 #73
graham4anything4HC45 Feb 2016 #10
Gunslinger201 Feb 2016 #12
daemons Feb 2016 #17
Gunslinger201 Feb 2016 #24
graham4anything4HC45 Feb 2016 #37
Juan Rico Feb 2016 #16
daemons Feb 2016 #18
Juan Rico Feb 2016 #21
daemons Feb 2016 #23
Juan Rico Feb 2016 #35
graham4anything4HC45 Feb 2016 #32
graham4anything4HC45 Feb 2016 #40
GoodCraic Feb 2016 #20
daemons Feb 2016 #26
GoodCraic Feb 2016 #59
misscleo Feb 2016 #28
daemons Feb 2016 #31
FORD Feb 2016 #25
daemons Feb 2016 #29
FORD Feb 2016 #39
daemons Feb 2016 #43
Juan Rico Feb 2016 #44
Pony Express Feb 2016 #55
Gamle-ged Feb 2016 #57
Gamle-ged Feb 2016 #56
cologeek Feb 2016 #60
Gamle-ged Feb 2016 #61
daemons Feb 2016 #62
cologeek Feb 2016 #64
daemons Feb 2016 #65
cologeek Feb 2016 #66
Gamle-ged Feb 2016 #71
Dixie Feb 2016 #67
The Center Holds Feb 2016 #68

Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:40 PM

1. Haha. That would be delicious.

Seeing the GOP congress unilaterally reject even considering a sitting GOP governor for the court will be a *VERY* bad look for the GOP.


1. Obama knows they won't even consider the pick, so it doesn't matter that this pick would tick off the left.

2. If the GOP *DOES* consider the pick and confirms him, then Obama has successfully replaced an ultra-conservative Scalia with a moderate.

3. The naked politics of the GOP rejecting a sitting GOP governor for nomination will cause a deeper rift in the party between the hard-core right and the moderates that remain.


My President again proves his genius.

Checkmate, Republicans.

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Response to daemons (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:44 PM

8. Vetting = nominated?

You get the whole hook down with that bait, chum?

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Response to Roger Cavu (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:47 PM

13. Obama will nominate him

Because it is the most perfect win-win situation that Obama could create here.


Put the GOP senators in the uncomfortable position of not even taking up for consideration a sitting GOP governor from a swing state.

If they choose to acquiesce and consider him, they'll have a hard time rejecting him. In which case, Obama wins by being able to replace an ultra-conservative Scalia with a more moderate Sandoval.

If they decide to stay firm and not bring him up for consideration, they piss off independents... they piss off hispanics (Sandoval is hispanic)... they piss off voters in swing-state Nevada. Obama wins there too.


Whatever the GOP does, Obama wins.


It is a brilliant move by my President. Checkmating the GOP again.

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Response to daemons (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:57 PM

30. You got it all figured out, eh?

Did you know he defeated Harry Reid's son for governor?

Can't wait for that glowing endorsement.

I could see the DUers of the world further their disgust for president hope and change before republicans, who control the senate, give two shits about what Obama tries to weasel.

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Response to Roger Cavu (Reply #30)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:59 PM

33. The DUers of the world abandoned this President a long time ago....

...especially the harder left ones.

He's not on the ballot again.


This is a brilliant move.

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Response to daemons (Reply #33)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:00 PM

34. It's an Obama move to a T

Feckless and grounded in fraud

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Response to Roger Cavu (Reply #34)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:01 PM

38. And politically a win-win for Democrats

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Response to daemons (Reply #38)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:03 PM

41. This is an all in election

Obama is trying to buy chips but he's already out of the game.

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Response to Roger Cavu (Reply #41)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:08 PM

45. This move helps his party.

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Response to daemons (Reply #45)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:08 PM

46. If Obama cared about the party

He wouldn't still have OFA.

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Response to Roger Cavu (Reply #46)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:12 PM

49. ?


One has nothing to do with the other.


In any case.... it also helps his legacy.

A) It makes it more likely that a Democrat gets elected President - which preserves Obamacare
B) It makes it more likely that the Dems retake the Senate - which preserves Obamacase
C) It makes it more likely that he gets a 3rd judge on the court - which helps preserve Obamacare against legal challenges.


Helping the Democrats electorally this fall helps Obama and his legacy.

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Response to daemons (Reply #38)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:05 PM

42. I'll do you one more

Obama could nominate, senate could confirm

Trump could put him on the ticket. Trump wins. He resigns the SCOTUS. Trump picks a successor

That's about as grounded as your theory.

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Response to Roger Cavu (Reply #34)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:13 PM

50. I Don't Think You Understand the Definition of Fraud

nm

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Response to Pony Express (Reply #50)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:18 PM

53. Please enlighten

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Response to Pony Express (Reply #50)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:53 PM

63. Wow. That IS interesting

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Response to daemons (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:09 PM

48. It's only a win-win

if they were to try to confirm him. If they don't and take the gamble that they will win the WH then their position on not taking up the issue is solidified by taking the high road and they win the PR campaign on that issue which potentially could help their efforts to win the WH.

Of course the GOP has never been very good at applying game theory to politics so they will likely pull the emotional lever and play into Obama's hands.

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Response to daemons (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:44 PM

69. i beg to differ. It was an obvious and opportunistic move by the President

afforded by the complete stupidity of the Republican Senate. in their gamesmanship.

Once again the Repos look like sad sacks. All very predictable.

In fact, I wrote that if the Repos intended to shoot themselves in the foot by arbitrarily refusing any and all nominees, that I wasn't going to complain too loudly.

That didn't take long to come true.

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Response to John Q Citizen (Reply #69)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:49 PM

70. Yes... it is very easy for Obama to outsmart such a crowd... and he has... often

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Response to daemons (Reply #70)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 05:04 PM

72. Refusing to do your job isn't a majoritarian issue

It's something that people feel just shows how corrupt the place is.

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Response to Roger Cavu (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:09 PM

47. "Hook.. "bait".. "chum"...

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Response to Gamle-ged (Reply #47)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:13 PM

51. check and mate

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Response to daemons (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:44 PM

9. It's Even Better Than That

There are rumors that Sandoval is interested in Reid's Senate seat when Harry retires at the end of his term. Sandoval would most likely win it and flip it Republican.

Checkmate indeed.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:40 PM

2. That Would Be Brilliant

So good on so many levels! Make it so, Mr. President!

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:41 PM

3. LOOK out Comin' thru.

 



"I'm a hefty hunk of steamin' junk."

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:42 PM

4. Ain't happening

Next Prez

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:44 PM

6. We're actually counting on the GOP blocking this....

.... when they end up blocking a sitting GOP Governor from even being considered..... they will lose even more independents and make it that much harder on GOP senators running in purple states to win re-election.

The GOP is damned if they do and damned if they don't here.


Love it.

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Response to daemons (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:46 PM

11. McConnel is damned if he does

McConnell: Not a 'snowball's chance in hell' I'll relent on SCOTUS

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:49 PM

14. In which case... the GOP is hurt in the elections

A sitting Republican hispanic governor from a swing state.... doesn't even get brought up for consideration in the GOP-controlled senate.

How will *THAT* play with independents, hispanics, and Nevadans in general?


Checkmate.

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Response to daemons (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:55 PM

27. Obama is done

Just go play golf Barry

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #27)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:00 PM

36. And yet... Lame-Duck Obama has outmaneuvered the GOP again


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Response to daemons (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:18 PM

52. Not neccessarly,

not taking up the issue when its one of their own puts them in the moral high ground that this possition was about who should get to make the nomination and thus making the issue an election issue vs being obstructionist. There is no reason to think the independents will punish them for that. In fact they might be rewarded for doing so.

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Response to Valishin (Reply #52)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:21 PM

54. "Not taking up one of their own" makes it clear this is about hatred for Obama....

...and not about the "moral high ground".

That hurts them with Indies... with moderate Republicans... with hispanics... and with Nevadans.


It helps them with literally NOBODY that wasn't already stoutly in their camp.

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Response to daemons (Reply #54)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:33 PM

58. You couldn't

be any more wrong. Nothing about this situation indicates their stance is based on who the president is currently. Assuming they believe they can win the WH they are actually playing the game to win at the moment. Personally I think they fell into that position by accident though. Putting out the position before knowing who the nominee might be was key to declaring this an election issue. If they have the backbone to stick to that then they win that argument but that's the risky approach. Which is why I think they will cave, the GOP is not good at taking risks. They didn't take the stance as a calculated move they took the stance based on an assumption that any nominee would be as extreme leftist as Obama or worse.

Nothing about any of this except for irrational claims from the left gives any reason to think Obama is relevant to this equation except in that he is the individual making the nomination. He could be Jaba the Hutt for all they care.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:44 PM

5. I don't know his record on rulings

From his term as a Federal Judge. I'm less concerned about whether it be a Republican or Democrat, Conservative or Liberal as I am whether he is an Originalist. I'll have to read some of his decisions.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:44 PM

7. Just did a quick Google on him. While considered a centrist, he appears to be pro-2A.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Governor/Brian_Sandoval_Gun_Control.htm

As a former Federal Judge, I respect the rule of law. I strongly believe that the 2nd Amendment applies to individuals. I believe that all citizens have a right to firearms for sporting and self-defense purposes. I also support concealed carry laws.

Hm.....

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Response to Juan Rico (Reply #7)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:50 PM

15. Which will make it VERY hard for McConnell to hold firm.


Delicious.

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Response to daemons (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:51 PM

19. Possibly so. In any case DU is not, on the whole, amused.

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Response to Juan Rico (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:53 PM

22. DU has never been good at understanding the 3-dimensional chess that Obama plays


It's a politically brilliant move by Obama.

Just like the far right... the far left at DU is too intellectually limited to understand what is happening here.

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Response to daemons (Reply #22)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 04:52 PM

73. Pawn takes jester.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:45 PM

10. a quick perusal of his life story, I find 7 things right off that are appealing to me, 2 biggies

So far haven't seen one thing that scares me.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:47 PM

12. Maybe Trump will nominate him

Next year

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:50 PM

17. Even in that extremely unlikely case, the left wins

Ultra-conservative Scalia replaced with moderate Sandoval.

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Response to daemons (Reply #17)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:54 PM

24. Or we'll pick someone like Scalia

The Court is too far left already

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #24)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:01 PM

37. Scalia was totally unique. The other conservatives did not even agree with his reasons,

even when they voted with him, and his dislike of the other conservatives was legendary, which is why
he pleaded with President Obama to nominate someone smart even though he knew they would not vote with him (and President Obama did just that with Justice Sotomayor and Kagen).

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:50 PM

16. Allow me.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Governor/Brian_Sandoval_Gun_Control.htm

As a former Federal Judge, I respect the rule of law. I strongly believe that the 2nd Amendment applies to individuals. I believe that all citizens have a right to firearms for sporting and self-defense purposes. I also support concealed carry laws.

So far haven't seen one thing that scares me.

Boo!

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Response to Juan Rico (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:51 PM

18. So how will McConnell explain rejecting him?

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Response to daemons (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:52 PM

21. Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves. He's only being vetted, he hasn't been nominated yet.

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Response to Juan Rico (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:54 PM

23. Yes.... but even the vetting puts McConnell on the defensive when he's asked questions about it


And Obama nominating him would be brilliant.

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Response to daemons (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:00 PM

35. Well, speaking as someone who is a litmus test voter on the Second Amendment....

If Obama nominates someone who is actually pro-2A, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

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Response to daemons (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:58 PM

32. President Obama is the best at the long term 11 demensional chess

this was a brilliant move

(Those backing Mitch, keep missing such an amazing piece of the puzzle,
it is like they are playing checkers to President Obama's 11D chess.



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Response to Juan Rico (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:02 PM

40. does not bother me, and I already knew this 10 days ago

Sandoval has been on the short list for awhile now. (Just haven't mentioned it here which is my right).

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:52 PM

20. Zero chance Barry nominates someone

who doesn't totally match his ideology. This will never happen.

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Response to GoodCraic (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:55 PM

26. What makes you think he doesn't match Obama's ideology?


I see about a 90% match.

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Response to daemons (Reply #26)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:37 PM

59. To start with Sandoval

1) Opposes federal funding of abortions, late term or partial birth abortions, but is pro-choice otherwise.
2) Agrees with school choice and charter schools
3) Wants the XL pipeline
4) Fully supports the 2nd amendments
5) Opposes amnesty for illegals and wants to enforce immigration laws

Again, no way Obama nominates a person who opposes him on so many issues.

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Response to GoodCraic (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:57 PM

28. Obama won't nominate him if what he says about how he feels about guns is true. nt

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Response to misscleo (Reply #28)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:58 PM

31. Yes he will. Watch.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:54 PM

25. Looks like a good "stunt" nomination.

 

As in... the Republicans couldn't possibly refuse this guy, except for the reason that they are obstructionist assholes.

As far as him being a serious nominee.... doesn't seem to be a lot of info out there about his judicial record, but as a governor, it seems he's been the typical union bashing Koch-head.

So in other words..... FUCK NO, BARRY. Do your goddamned job and appoint somebody who is NOT another Fat Tony.

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Response to FORD (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:57 PM

29. He's not even close to another "fat Tony"


He's right down the middle, judicially.

It is a good "stunt" nomination... in that the GOP is likely to not take him up for consideration.... which will hurt the GOP electorally very badly.

And if the GOP relents..... the worst case scenario is that an ultra-conservative judge got replaced by a moderate judge - a win for the left - and that the main candidate to take Harry Reid's seat is now out of the running.


This is a brilliant play by the President, if he goes through with it.

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Response to daemons (Reply #29)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:02 PM

39. Keeping a 5-4 right wing court is a "brilliant play"??

 

Putting a union bashing Koch-head on the court is a good thing??

Fuck Harry Reid. He's been useless himself 95% of the time. You don't throw away the supreme court for another 30 years to preserve that spineless coward's senate seat.

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Response to FORD (Reply #39)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:07 PM

43. Replacing Scalia with another Kennedy is a net-positive

And that's what this would be.

As for Harry Reid..... he's not going to run again. His seat would be open. Sandoval will run for that seat and it will be a Republican pick-up.

Unless Sandoval is too busy doing something else.... like being a SCOTUS judge.


If we leave this pick to the next President, we could end up with a better choice (if it is Hillary or Bernie and a Dem Senate)..... but we could end up with a worse choice (if it is a Republican or Hillary and a GOP senate).

But if we get Sandoval..... the court has moved decidedly to the left from Scalia to Sandoval. Not as left as we'd like... but now 3 conservatives (Alito, Roberts, Thomas)... 2 swing votes (Kennedy, Sandoval)... and 4 liberals (Sottomayor, Ginsberg, Breyer, and Kagan).

3-2-4 beats the 4-1-4 we had.

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Response to FORD (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:08 PM

44. It's should be noted that I'm looking at this and saying, "Hm, maybe I could live with this guy".

So in other words..... FUCK NO, BARRY. Do your goddamned job and appoint somebody who is NOT another Fat Tony.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:30 PM

55. Non-Judgmental Comment: Another Catholic

wouldn't he be the 6th Roman Catholic replacing a Roman Catholic?

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Response to Pony Express (Reply #55)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:33 PM

57. So Obama should have a roster of potentials filled with Black, Muslim, female transgendered folk?...

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:31 PM

56. While as indicated, "vetting" does not equal "nominated," Sandoval would seem to be an...

... unusually reasonable choice for Obama to make.

Which raises the question, does Obama just want to get the process behind him and would consider putting up a nominee which will find favor in the Senate, even if some clowns of the Left would really rather NOT see a Justice Sandoval seated? Let's see how this goes, but I suspect the vetting will NOT lead to a nomination, as the Left would be too unhappy...

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Response to Gamle-ged (Reply #56)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:43 PM

60. If this rumor is true, and Sandoval is nominated.

It would be the simplest of political judo moves to quickly confirm his nomination (I haven't found anything about him that would bother me) while declaring that the Republicans principled stand forced Barry to nominate someone who wasn't totally batshit leftist.

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Response to cologeek (Reply #60)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:46 PM

61. Exactly right...

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Response to cologeek (Reply #60)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:52 PM

62. In which case.....

A. the court would be decidedly to the left of where it was a month ago, since Sandoval is decidedly to the left of Scalia.

B. the far right gets pissed at McConnell again... for caving.

C. Sandoval won't be running to take the vacated senate seat that Harry Reid will be leaving..... therefore making it less likely that the GOP gets a seat pickup in the senate next time.

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Response to daemons (Reply #62)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:58 PM

64. I think you're seriously miscalculating the effect of a confirmation..

I'm pretty sure the far left will be incandescent over a Sandoval nomination/confirmation, making it more likely that the left will fail to turn out in the general than the right. And I wouldn't count my chickens in Nevada just yet. Overall I would consider such a strategic move by Republicans an addition in the plus column.

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Response to cologeek (Reply #64)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:01 PM

65. Obama's not on the ballot

It doesn't matter to him if the left is pissed at him. They've been pissed at him all along. Every move he makes isn't "left enough" for them.

They already consider him a sellout. So it won't change their views about him at all.

"Incandescent" voters tend to go to the polls. Apathy is what keeps them away. The left being "angry" at Obama won't keep them from the polls, if anything...it will make them more motivated to act.

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Response to daemons (Reply #65)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:08 PM

66. Maybe your right about them not staying home, but

will those po'd voters go for the same sort of corporate funded candidate as the one who just pissed them off? Would this be a plus or minus for a Hillary? Would her nomination (especially if Sanders gets the most votes) turn them to a third party candidate? Politics isn't a binary world, there's more than two factors involved here.

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Response to daemons (Reply #65)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:59 PM

71. If top Democrat Obama pisses off Democratic voters, why would they bother getting out to vote?

Unless it's to vote for someone Obama wouldn't LIKE...

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:30 PM

67. LOL... This will go nowhere. People are not blind.

Anybody can easily see:



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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:36 PM

68. Didn't go to Harvard or Yale Law, though.

That will be a nice change. Someone from out West.

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