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Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:13 AM

California advances bills to raise smoking age, regulate vaping

Sweeping tobacco control bills raising California’s smoking age to 21 and treating electronic cigarettes as tobacco products passed the state Assembly on Thursday and should soon go before Gov. Jerry Brown.

Both bills now return to the Senate, where they are expected to pass, for a final vote before landing on Brown’s desk. Senate Bill 7, which raises the smoking age, passed 46-26 with five Democrats voting no and two Republicans – both facing tough re-election bids – in support. Senate Bill 5, which regulates e-cigarettes as tobacco products, passed 50-20 with three Democrats not voting. A spokeswoman for Brown declined to comment, in keeping with the governor’s general policy.
A store manager lights a Marlboro cigarette while posing for photos at a Smoker Friendly shop in Pittsburgh.
A store manager lights a Marlboro cigarette while posing for photos at a Smoker Friendly shop in Pittsburgh. Gene J. Puskar AP

The votes to advance the two measures marked a major victory for public health advocates who previously failed to push the policies through and have struggled to overcome the tobacco industry’s influence in Sacramento. Without directly naming tobacco companies, Assemblyman Jim Wood, D-Healdsburg, said the bill was “aggressively lobbied by entities” who did not publicly register their opposition.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article63820397.html#storylink=cpy

Duke Lacrosse opines:

The authoritarian wing of the Legislature is at risk of pushing its control agenda too far this time. They fail as a group to understand the psychology and mechanics of addiction. Their assumptions about the benefits this package of bills will bring are based on two dubious assumptions:

1) That people aged 18 - 20 will comply with the law, and

2) That even if it achieved some success at getting people to start smoking a few years later, that fewer would end up hooked on nicotine.

According to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, about 9 out of 10 people who smoke started BEFORE they reached age 18. They're already ignoring the minimum age law in large numbers. It's pure folly to think that a 13-year-old who wants to try cigarettes would put it off to age 16 if the proposal becomes law.

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/youth_data/tobacco_use/

We have probably all seen people using e-cigarettes in restaurants, at bars, around and inside of retail stores, at their desks at work, etc. They do that not because it's legal, but because they are addicts and can get away with it - Vaping output is far less offensive to non-smokers than is actual smoke. Giving the non-smoking public the force of law to deny vapers their indulgence will be seen by the latter as an irrational intrusion into their personal freedom.

The nanny-state Democrats are tickling the dragon's tail. Many young adults and anyone who presently uses electronic nicotine delivery systems could wake up to the reality that they have the power of the vote to change the relationship between themselves and government.

Personally I think smoking is a vile, dirty, expensive habit. Two of my grandparents probably died of smoking-related illnesses, and I have seen many aunts, uncles, and cousins crippled by the effects of chronic tobacco use. I recently attended my 40-year high school class reunion, where the health effects of smoking were quite obvious on the few remaining classmates who still do it. But the libertarian side of me clearly holds that at age 18 a person should be allowed to decide for himself or herself whether or not to smoke or vape.

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Reply California advances bills to raise smoking age, regulate vaping (Original post)
Duke Lacrosse Mar 2016 OP
Trainman95630 Mar 2016 #1
graham4anything4HC45 Mar 2016 #2
Currentsitguy Mar 2016 #4
Dexter Morgan Mar 2016 #14
RolandLePreux Mar 2016 #18
Currentsitguy Mar 2016 #3
Currentsitguy Mar 2016 #5
Duke Lacrosse Mar 2016 #6
MountainDew Mar 2016 #10
Doctor_R Mar 2016 #13
Currentsitguy Mar 2016 #15
Cave Dweller Mar 2016 #21
_eek Mar 2016 #16
Currentsitguy Mar 2016 #17
Shredded Hedly Mar 2016 #24
Doctor_R Mar 2016 #7
travelman90069 Mar 2016 #8
brew9876 Mar 2016 #9
MountainDew Mar 2016 #11
Dexter Morgan Mar 2016 #12
LaughingGull Mar 2016 #19
Duke Lacrosse Mar 2016 #20
Shredded Hedly Mar 2016 #23
Shredded Hedly Mar 2016 #22

Response to Duke Lacrosse (Original post)

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:27 AM

1. Go dems let's think of another law so we can more cops interacting with young minorities

 

arresting them for smoking a cigarette. That should go well.

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Original post)

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:35 AM

2. Good. No one should smoke. Vape is just another word for the cigarette companies to make

money and most are part of the same corporations.
And are just as bad.

I smoked and quit from one second to the next in 1983.
In fact, it made me believe that cigarettes are mind games and if people believe they can't quit, they won't.
But if they do, they find out it actually was easy to break out of the prison

although some say menthol have more additives and were more addictive, but never liked those.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:50 AM

4. Some of the convenience store junk is

However that is not the best, or even the most desirable route, from a health or economic standpoint. No one is ever going to quit cigarettes with a Blu or V2 or any of those, and you are right, they are owned by the major tobacco companies. They are underpowered, under strength in terms of nicotine, and are proprietary in terms of their hardware and "refills".

Someone truly serious about quitting via this route needs to avoid them like the plague. They are just another route to keep you enslaved to the same companies as before.

There are plenty of reputable high quality manufacturers out there, many domestic, that make good reliable batteries and tanks. Pharmaceutical grade nicotine extract can be purchased from medical supply. I personally formulate all my own flavors using Lor-Ann extracts which are used for the making of candy and baked goods. They are food grade and approved for human consumption.

I know most people aren't going to want to go through that effort. Good quality liquids can be purchased from plenty of local shops these days which are made on premises, rather than imported from questionable suppliers.

Just saying it is far better for your health than to keep smoking as so many do.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 11:32 AM

14. You are the perfect example of a democrat...

I don't smoke so nobody should.
I don't like guns so nobody should have guns..
Why do democrats always have to force their views onto everyone else do you think you are superior and know what is best for people?

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 12:44 PM

18. "No one should smoke" is quite different than "no one will smoke"

I will continue to smoke my pipe, as I feel it's one of the pleasures that adds to my quality of life, even though it might shorten it. The fucktards who want to ban all smoking can kiss my ass.

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Original post)

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:37 AM

3. Some thoughts in no particular order

I smoked an absurd amount (4 packs a day) for 28 years. I took up vaping and literally quit in one day. That was 2 years ago. Well, I take that back. I have exactly one on the 1st of each month to remind me of why I quit.

I enjoy vaping. It has a several fold benefit to me. Obviously it got me off smoking which is a biggie. Secondly, I am a Type 1 diabetic (got it at 40, go figure), so sweets and deserts are a big no-no. I have found I can at least have the flavor of some of the things I miss without the insulin penalty. Right now I have Cinnamon Roll. I also have Peanut Butter Cup, Orange Creamsicle, Dutch Apple Pie, and for when I feeling bad, Kentucky Bourbon, which is not a good one to vape when you are driving in case you are pulled over (Officer, despite what you smell on my breath I haven't been drinking, honestly!).

This is a dumb move. Despite all of the fear mongering, nicotine alone has been shown to not be more harmful to the body than caffeine, aside from it's addictive properties. Regardless vaping is far less harmful to the body than smoking, as all the really damaging chemicals in cigarettes are eliminated. No harmful chemicals are released into the atmosphere in the vapor, the "smoke" other than a pleasant odor. The most second hand harm I can cause to others is maybe cause them to break their diet after being surrounded by the smell of desert. My wife curses me for that.

The anti-vape crowd is being driven by puritanical motives and are allowing the perfect to be the enemy of the good, and frankly I think the tobacco industry is egging them on.

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Original post)

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:59 AM

5. It just occurred to me

Today is my 2 year anniversary of quitting to the day!

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 11:02 AM

6. Congrats! Switching from smoking to e-cigs is a very positive step.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 11:23 AM

10. Congrats!!

I've tried several times but no dice. I don't smoke but do enjoy the RedMan. Bad habit I picked up in HS to replace smoking.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 11:32 AM

13. Good for you!

My last cigarette was on March 15th, 2006, the day my heart attack hit.

Almost 10 years now.

Haven't wanted one since that day.

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Response to Doctor_R (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 11:41 AM

15. I replaced it with vaping

My doctor wholeheartedly approves. A year ago he ordered a stress test and we learned I have "the heart of a teenager", so I'd say I recovered from 28 years of abuse quite nicely. My wife still smokes, in fact the electric rolling machine is 5 feet away from me in my office. You know what? I have no desire to ever touch it. I actually roll them for her when business get frantic for her and I still don't want any. It would just never occur to me to ever pick one back up again.

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Response to Doctor_R (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:38 PM

21. everyone hates a quitter!

Good for you. Keep taking those aspirins.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 11:53 AM

16. beat you by one day 03/03/14 Congrats!!!

Last Cigarette I smoked was Sunday morning, March 2nd about 1130, I vape now, and as I actually like my nicotine rush, don't think I'll quit..

My cardio and overall stamina are outstanding now, I regularly make 30-40 mile rides on my bike, have done century rides, and even a back to back metric Century last fall.

I don't miss the sticks at all.

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Response to _eek (Reply #16)

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 12:01 PM

17. Congrads!

Don't miss it either. Like I said upthread I have exactly one on the 1st of each month just to remind me why I quit. Every single one has been lousy. The nice thing about quitting with vape is you can avoid the stereotypical quitters weight gain.

I tend to be a technogeek so now I have a bad habit of obtaining more and more batteries, tanks, etc. In fact I was just sitting here contemplating whether or not to take the very expensive Vaporshark plunge.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:49 PM

24. whoopwhoop! goodonya mate

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Original post)

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 11:09 AM

7. libs just can't

help themselves.

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Original post)

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 11:10 AM

8. I actually agree with you on this. I believe in everything in moderation.

 

If you smoke 3 packs a day, chances are you'll end up with cancer. If you smoke a lot less, your chances at cancer are a lot less. If you don't smoke at all, you still have a chance of getting cancer, even lung cancer. The majority of the people I have known in my life who have died of cancer, even lung cancer, were not smokers. Only 1 was a smoker and she died well into her 80s of cancer.

I have nothing against vaping and think it should be legal to vape anywhere. It is not harmful to non-vapers. I'll vape when I'm traveling for business since you can't smoke in hotels anymore and going out all the time is a pain in the ass.

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Response to travelman90069 (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 11:14 AM

9. Yep...this we can agree on.

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Response to travelman90069 (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 11:25 AM

11. Wow,

Something we can agree on. I didn't think it would ever happen.

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Original post)

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 11:29 AM

12. Yet CA is run by the democrats who keep trying to control us by passing stupid laws..

Then they turn around and tell us republicans are fascist..

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Original post)

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 03:46 PM

19. How can they lump e-cigs under tobacco products

when there isn't one iota of tobacco in the e-cig product?

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Response to LaughingGull (Reply #19)

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:15 PM

20. They're authoritarian FUCKTARDS who feel entitled to do as they please.

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Reply #20)

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:48 PM

23. no one in california cares about this except those who produce nicotine products

Because it cuts into their profits.

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Response to LaughingGull (Reply #19)

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:47 PM

22. what are you talking about?

http://www.m.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/features/electronic-cigarettes

The nicotine inside the cartridges is addictive. When you stop using it, you can get withdrawal symptoms including feeling irritable, depressed, restless and anxious. It can be dangerous for people with heart problems. It may also harm your arteries over time.

So far, evidence suggests that e-cigarettes may be safer than regular cigarettes. The biggest danger from tobacco is the smoke, and e-cigarettes don't burn. Tests show the levels of dangerous chemicals they give off are a fraction of what you'd get from a real cigarette. But what's in them can vary.

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