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Mon Mar 28, 2016, 06:57 PM

Right-Wing Extremists Are A Bigger Threat To America Than Isis

Here are some facts for the conservatives to ignore or not be able to understand http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/right-wing-extremists-militants-bigger-threat-america-isis-jihadists-422743.html

According to Arie Perliger, director of terrorism studies at the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point, the three ideologies within the violent American far-right are racist, anti-federalist and fundamentalist. Each has subgroups—the racists include white supremacy groups such as the KKK, neo-Nazis and skinheads, which can differ in subtle ways. The anti-federalists include militias, self-defined “patriot” groups and what are so-called “sovereign citizens,’’ who hold that they are legally bound only by their personal interpretation of common law and are otherwise not subject to federal, state or local laws. The fundamentalists are primarily Christian identity groups that believe the biblical war of good vs. evil is between descendants of Anglo-Saxon nations and all other ethnic groups. Tangential to the fundamentalists are the anti-abortion attackers, who also invoke religion as a foundational motive for their violence. These disparate groups of people—violent and nonviolent—pine for different versions of a highly idealized past.

The granddaddy of the three in the United States is the racist movement, the modern iteration of which is usually traced to the formation of the KKK in 1865. The Christian Identity movement began a few decades later, with the emergence of believers who subscribed to the theology of John Wilson, a British man who argued that the lost tribes of Israel had settled in northern Europe. The anti-federalists are much younger, exploding onto the scene in the early 1990s with prominent groups such as the Militia of Montana and the Michigan Militia; many experts maintain that the movement was a product of the financial crisis for farms in the 1980s, rapid economic and cultural change, and the adoption of gun control and environmental protection laws. In recent years, an explosion in the number of militias has been linked by experts to the beginning of the Great Recession in December 2007 and the election of Barack Obama months later. In 2008, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, there were 42 militia groups; today, there are 276.

And although they are frequently dismissed as people with crazy beliefs, right-wing extremists often seem like the guy next door. While experts say many of these individuals are paranoid and narcissistic, with strong anti-democratic tendencies, “the most common trait among terrorists is normalcy,” says Perliger of West Point.

What drives them, according to studies, is not so much ideology as their social network. When friends and associates all proclaim that the government is destroying freedom, or that all Muslims are terrorists, or that minorities are dragging down the country, the social pressure to conform with that opinion is intense.

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Reply Right-Wing Extremists Are A Bigger Threat To America Than Isis (Original post)
Letmypeoplevote Mar 2016 OP
GiovanniJones Mar 2016 #1
FrankHerbert Mar 2016 #17
Roger Cavu Mar 2016 #31
Letmypeoplevote Mar 2016 #2
762Justice Mar 2016 #15
It Guy Mar 2016 #19
JoeHill Mar 2016 #27
Argentina Mar 2016 #32
Andronikos Mar 2016 #3
NavyBrat Mar 2016 #11
LaughingGull Mar 2016 #20
Magyar Heidinn Mar 2016 #4
rampartb Mar 2016 #7
Tolk Mar 2016 #13
LaughingGull Mar 2016 #21
Tolk Mar 2016 #26
JoeHill Mar 2016 #28
LaughingGull Mar 2016 #33
rampartb Mar 2016 #22
Tolk Mar 2016 #23
It Guy Mar 2016 #16
bpilgrim Mar 2016 #5
Daves Not Here Man Mar 2016 #6
foia Mar 2016 #8
Muddling Through Mar 2016 #9
Dexter Morgan Mar 2016 #18
The Center Holds Mar 2016 #10
JoeHill Mar 2016 #30
Jenny Fromdablock Mar 2016 #12
Sassyspop Mar 2016 #14
Slayer Mar 2016 #24
DavesNotHere Mar 2016 #25
Cyberpunk Mar 2016 #29

Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 07:03 PM

1. I say we round them up and shoot them.

Can't have terrorists roaming free.

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Response to GiovanniJones (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 10:54 PM

17. or progressives

lets round THEM up and shoot them, eh?

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Response to FrankHerbert (Reply #17)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 03:43 PM

31. 1/6 leave it

The Jewish guilting via hitler talk in the alerter's comments failed

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 07:04 PM

2. White Terrorists Have Killed More Americans Than Jihadists Since September 11th, 2001

Some more facts for the conservatives to ignore or not be able to understand http://www.greenvillegazette.com/p/white-terrorists-have-killed-more-americans-than-jihadists-since-september-11th-2001-113988/

In attempting to define what a terrorist was, the NAF decided that those who promoted violent extremism in any form was sufficient. This included those who may have supported the ideals of terrorist organizations like al-Queda or ISIS, those committed by people on either side (right or left) of the political aisle and those where the mental health of an individual was suspect.


What the NAF discovered was that between 2004 and 2015, the number of American terrorist attacks committed by white terrorists was double that of those who espoused any sort of Islamic extremism. During this period, there were 18 instances of Americans belonging to right-wing groups undertaking these acts, with only nine coming from Middle Easterners who championed terrorism.


White Terrorists Have Killed MORE Americans Than Jihadists Since September 11th, 2001
In the nine terrorist acts committed by Muslims or jihadists, 45 Americans have been killed, including 14 in San Bernardino last December 2. Among the 18 attacks by those promoting right-wing causes, 48 Americans died.

In the nine terrorist acts committed by Muslims or jihadists, 45 Americans have been killed, including 14 in San Bernardino last December 2. Among the 18 attacks by those promoting right-wing causes, 48 Americans died.

The NAF’s data also brought about the discovery that between June 2, 2009 and April 14, 2013, none of the eight terrorist attacks that took place were committed by Islamic extremists. Within that same time frame, six people died and four others were injured on August 5, 2012, when Wade Michael Page entered a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin and opened fire before then committing suicide. Page was a 40-year-old white male.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 09:01 PM

15. How about since September 10th, 2001?

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #15)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:12 PM

19. Total leftist bullshit! An article on Perliger from the Daily Caller.

There's plenty more to google on this regressive communist!

http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/28/dont-raise-the-minimum-wage/


In fact, according to a DHS-funded study released last year by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism, America’s militant left is far more likely to engage in acts of violence than its militant right. According to the report — entitled “Hot Spots of Terrorism and Other Crimes in the United States, 1970-2008” ( http://www.start.umd.edu/sites/default/files/files/publications/research_briefs/LaFree_Bersani_HotSpotsOfUSTerrorism.pdf )— the overwhelming majority of domestic terrorist attacks in America have been “extreme left-wing” in their ideological origins (364) followed closely by single-issue groups whose ideologies were classified as “other” (337).

By comparison, “extreme right-wing” groups accounted for far fewer (58) attacks.

In other words, it’s not tea partiers we need to watch out for, it’s people like Obama’s terrorist buddy Bill Ayers.

As the Obama administration ramps up its assault on our liberties, we must not forget that these intrusions affect Americans of all creeds and colors. It’s also important to remember that taking a firm stand against these intrusions doesn’t make one a radical, a right-winger or a racist — just an American exercising your right to free speech.

This is why West Point must immediately fire Perliger — and publicly repudiate his reckless statements.

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Response to It Guy (Reply #19)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:42 AM

27. 1970 . . . HAH! good one.

 

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Response to It Guy (Reply #19)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 04:10 PM

32. The Daily Caller is a right-wing source that should be taken with a grain of salt.

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Response to Andronikos (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 07:51 PM

11. Wait … he has your permission to wrong?

 

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Response to NavyBrat (Reply #11)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:43 PM

20. I'm sorry. That's funny no matter what side you're on.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 07:05 PM

4. Newsweek.com and the SPLC told me so!


Is there a companion article for left wing extremists, featuring the Bill Ayers types?

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Response to Magyar Heidinn (Reply #4)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 07:23 PM

7. surprise

there just are not many of these cases since the end of the black panthers in the 70s,

kaczinski maybe. but tree huggers and animal rights advocates are not as violently careless about human life as your typical "right to lifer."

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Response to rampartb (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 08:03 PM

13. What about the left wing cop executors ?

 

Or the nut job that shot the TV reporter live on the air.
How about all the rioters in Ferguson and Baltimore.
I think they could all be comfortably classified as LWNJs and extremists.

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Response to Tolk (Reply #13)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:48 PM

21. Exactly.



And what about the perps of the "knock out" game?

And the protesters that block streets and mob the drivers they block?

And the blacks that mob and intimidate whites in the parking lot at the closing of fairs and festivals?

And the BMX bikers that take over the streets and terrorize other drivers?

And the groups of black kids that bully white kids at school?


They terrorize citizens a heck of a lot more than the KKK. I find the KKK despicable, but all they do is march and leave fliers.

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Response to LaughingGull (Reply #21)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:09 AM

26. I wouldn't discount the Klan so easily

 

They do have their own special brand of hate and there are some nasty mother fuckers affiliated with them.
But fortunately their numbers and influence are dwindling.
As far as violence and terroristic activities go though the left definetly has them beat.

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Response to LaughingGull (Reply #21)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:45 AM

28. When was the last time a group of blacks came armed and dangerous

 

and threatened Federal marshals with violence and death like at the Bundy Ranch or the Wildlife Refugee?

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Response to JoeHill (Reply #28)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 08:31 PM

33. When was the last time a group of whites called for the death of police officers,

pelted them with rocks, bricks and bottles, and burned and vandalized $4.6 million dollars worth of buildings because they were "mad"?

See how that works?

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Response to Tolk (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 03:04 AM

22. the executioners of police are generally "sovereign citizens"

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Response to Magyar Heidinn (Reply #4)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 10:29 PM

16. Why not compare and throw in left wing baby chop shops numbers? Oh, I see, liberals dictate

who is innocent or not.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 07:14 PM

5. Absolutely

 

When you look past the FUD, and at the data, it's a no brainier.

That's all cons get is FEAR.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 07:22 PM

6. The average American has little to fear from terrorists.

Stats say you're far more likely to die at the hands of another American. But that's not as fun as pissing & moaning about the moooslim threat.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 07:46 PM

8. Another pointless OP

Trying to imply that conservatism makes crazy people go out and murder cops and other innocents.

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Response to foia (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 07:51 PM

9. That's what happens when the kids play on mom's computer.

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Response to Muddling Through (Reply #9)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 10:58 PM

18. ^^^^^what he or she said^^^^^

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 07:51 PM

10. Crushing national debt is a bigger threat than any terrorism.

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Response to The Center Holds (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:50 AM

30. That graph is total BULLSHIT.

 

Social Security has a dedicated tax. It not only DOES NOT contribute to the national debt, it provides a cheap way for the government to fund some of its spending.

Also, "national defense" is far too low. A lot of what is spent on the military is not covered under "national defense."

Take for instance, the Veteran's Administration. We wouldn't have to spend money on vets if we didn't have them, would we? So that's properly military spending too. And the list goes on practically forever--Homeland Security for instance is just military spending by another name.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 07:58 PM

12. Now that you support a serial vote suppressor, you seem pretty lost.

All over the place. Like you lost a puppy. Don't worry. Hillary might get arrested and you can once again pretend to care about voting right soon enough!

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Response to Jenny Fromdablock (Reply #12)

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 08:49 PM

14. Thread Win.......BUT

 

In LMPV's defense the M stands for My.....so maybe it's all good in gothworld

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 08:29 AM

24. Everyone (who is sane) knows this.

 

I keep those types out of my life as much as possible.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:30 AM

25. I thought this part was interesting...

"They and untold thousands like them are the extremists who hide among us, the right-wing militants who, since 2002, have killed more people in the United States than jihadis have. In that time, according to New America, a Washington think tank, Islamists launched nine attacks that murdered 45, while the right-wing extremists struck 18 times, leaving 48 dead."

So basically, the death count since 2002 was very close with right-wing extremists with a slight "edge". Why start counting in 2002, though? Was it the year that jihadis started attacking the US? Was it the year that right-wing extremists starting attacking the US? Was it the year they started keeping data on this sort of thing? None of that seems to be the case. It is the furthest you can go back in your sample without having to rewrite the entire theme of the article.

Saying that RW extremists are more dangerous (after 2002) uses the same logic as saying Bush kept us safe (after 9/11).

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:47 AM

29. LW Isis apologists are the biggest disappointment.

Like a dog that pushes back when you try to rub its nose in the mess it made on the carpet, they refuse to acknowledge the role of both the neocons and neolibs in creating the mess in the Middle East.

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