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Sat May 28, 2016, 07:25 PM

Definition of Democratic Socialism

Democratic socialism is not communism. A democratic socialist is still a capitalist, just one who seeks to restrain the self-destructive excesses of capitalism, and channel the government's use of our tax money into creating opportunities for everyone, not just a greedy few at the top..

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Democratic socialism is not Marxism or Communism. There are those who will tell you that Bernie Sanders is a straight up socialist, when they know better. I would expect to see that on the right, but not from the so-called left.

A lying liar lies, no matter what party they identify with.

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Reply Definition of Democratic Socialism (Original post)
Immacolata May 2016 OP
Da Mannn May 2016 #1
Junglejim43 May 2016 #4
Immacolata May 2016 #7
MercATC May 2016 #22
island4diver May 2016 #2
Immacolata May 2016 #6
island4diver May 2016 #9
brew9876 May 2016 #3
Immacolata May 2016 #5
fncceo May 2016 #8
Immacolata May 2016 #14
Noumenon May 2016 #10
Immacolata May 2016 #12
Konservative May 2016 #16
Immacolata May 2016 #17
Konservative May 2016 #18
Immacolata May 2016 #21
OneLoudVoice May 2016 #40
ToBeIgnoredIsWinning May 2016 #11
smoke check May 2016 #13
Immacolata May 2016 #15
Shredded Hedly May 2016 #19
Immacolata May 2016 #20
smoke check May 2016 #36
Immacolata May 2016 #37
PrimeCustodian May 2016 #23
Immacolata May 2016 #24
PrimeCustodian May 2016 #25
Immacolata May 2016 #26
FrankHerbert May 2016 #27
Immacolata May 2016 #28
FrankHerbert May 2016 #29
Immacolata May 2016 #30
nopoliticalsaviors May 2016 #33
PrimeCustodian May 2016 #31
FrankHerbert May 2016 #34
PrimeCustodian May 2016 #39
Roger Cavu May 2016 #32
I814U2CY May 2016 #35
John Q Citizen May 2016 #38

Response to Immacolata (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2016, 07:45 PM

1. Democratic socialism = Communism that we just call, Democratic socialism

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #1)

Sat May 28, 2016, 08:15 PM

4. On target again. Shooting at the target in front and hitting the one behind you.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #1)

Sat May 28, 2016, 08:49 PM

7. Ignorance on display.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #1)

Sun May 29, 2016, 04:25 AM

22. No.

The definition in the OP is accurate.

Some people just go nuts when they hear the word "socialism" because they have no understanding of economic systems.

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Response to Immacolata (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2016, 08:05 PM

2. doesn't know what he is talking about

http://www.bullshitexposed.com/scandinavian-socialism-debunked/

Democratic socialism is a political ideology that advocates political democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production, with democratic management of enterprises within a socialist economic system. The term "democratic socialism" is sometimes used synonymously with "socialism"; the adjective "democratic" is often added to distinguish it from the Marxist–Leninist brand of socialism, which is widely viewed as being non-democratic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism
Bread lines are a sign of a healthy economy.
http://reason.com/blog/2016/02/29/bernie-sanders-support-dictatorship

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Response to island4diver (Reply #2)

Sat May 28, 2016, 08:47 PM

6. Ha! Like you do, Trump voter.

He most certainly does know what he's talking about. That won't change, no matter how many lies you pull out of your posterior.

Your opinion means less than zero, because your judgment, as a Trump voter, is impaired.

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #6)

Sat May 28, 2016, 09:00 PM

9. wrong. They all suck.

no, he is simply repeating what he has been told by Bernie. My sources debunked him.

I don't like any of the three. I will say I'm never Hillary. If need be in the general, I might vote for Bernie, assuming he makes it, simply because he has zero chance of getting most of his stupid shit done. Then again, anyone who thinks climate change is the cause of Islamic imperialism can't be taken seriously. More likely, Gary Johnson since my state will overwhelmingly Republican anyway.
The choice is Boss Tweed and two crackpots. Get back with me when you catch a clue.
One thing I can say for Trump winning, the regressive left like Cenk Uyger will go fucking insane.

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Response to Immacolata (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2016, 08:13 PM

3. LOL What's that saying?

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Response to brew9876 (Reply #3)

Sat May 28, 2016, 08:45 PM

5. I dunno, what's that saying?

(paraphrasing)

Speak of the lying liar
And they appear

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Response to Immacolata (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2016, 08:53 PM

8. Socialist =

Communist with a gold card.

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Response to fncceo (Reply #8)

Sat May 28, 2016, 09:55 PM

14. That's cute.

Kind of like when I used to say Libertarian = Republican who smokes pot.

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Response to Immacolata (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2016, 09:18 PM

10. Don't waste your breath....

Half of the DI cons can't grasp Nixon's "Southern Strategy" changed the makeup of the two parties in the 1960's either.

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Response to Noumenon (Reply #10)

Sat May 28, 2016, 09:53 PM

12. In this case, so-called Democrats do it too.

They use the "free stuff" meme as much as the Republicans do. One of them even said that if Bernie got the nomination, he would vote for Trump.

Some Democrat...

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #12)

Sat May 28, 2016, 10:32 PM

16. It seems your definition of 'Democrat' means vote Democrat period.

 

Not your conscience.

Dictators love people like you.

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Response to Konservative (Reply #16)

Sat May 28, 2016, 10:40 PM

17. What a stupid thing to say.

And you mean conscience.

English teachers love people like you.

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #17)

Sat May 28, 2016, 10:44 PM

18. Well, because you couldn't say anything else.

 

Stalin had a term for people like you.

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Response to Konservative (Reply #18)

Sat May 28, 2016, 11:55 PM

21. What, literate? nt

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #21)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:53 AM

40. Ya

And he didnt much like your kind...

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Response to Immacolata (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2016, 09:36 PM

11. LOL is that like the "common sense gun owners" who are 100% anti 2A?

You are either a socialist, or you are not.

This is like saying you are totally in favor of nature and natural selection, except you seek to stop the wanton eating of all of nature's cute and defenseless animals by the predators that wish to eat them.

Capitalism works because it mimics natural selection. The minute your plan requires people go go against the rules that govern every other behavioral system on earth, its bullshit. Period.

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Response to Immacolata (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2016, 09:54 PM

13. Bernie Sanders praised the "democratic socialist policies of Venezuela" through the roof

Call it whatever you want. You have problems, the first being that is just doesn't work. It never has and it never it will. It's only real output has been human suffering and a degradation of the human spirit, and that's when it isn't just producing pile after pile of human corpses.

You prefer the safe chains of slavery. Just admit that and get it over with.

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Response to smoke check (Reply #13)

Sat May 28, 2016, 09:56 PM

15. That's a fucking lie.

Prove that bullshit or shut up.

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #15)

Sat May 28, 2016, 10:48 PM

19. jury results

On Sat May 28, 2016, 10:33 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

That's a fucking lie.
http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=837751

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This post is uncivil, off-topic, offensive, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

That's a tad aggressive and uncivil.

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Explanation: Well, I might ordinarily hide it but a jury let this post of Brew9876 stand a bit earlier tonight in JungleJim's thread about Trump and Hillary's voice:
"But of course a low life POS like you would politicize something as sacred as memorial day. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. Bye....idiot."

So, no, I will not hide this rather mild (in comparison) post.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Nope
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: ....don't agree with politics but far worse is said on this board

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Response to Shredded Hedly (Reply #19)

Sat May 28, 2016, 11:50 PM

20. Thank you! nt

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #15)

Sun May 29, 2016, 09:04 PM

36. LOL!

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Response to smoke check (Reply #36)

Sun May 29, 2016, 09:07 PM

37. LOL! indeed. Where's the mention of Venezuela?

I want some proof of that. Put up or shut up, or better yet, admit you made it up.

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Response to Immacolata (Original post)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:24 AM

23. Democratic Socialism is what "Democratic Socialism" says it is, nothing more nothing less ...

"Democratic Socialism" is just like a forms of Social Political Ideology acting like a Religion more than the others: If you are born in it you probably hate it, while others love to see you in it rather than themselves!!!

"Democratic Capitalism", on the other hand, is like a form of Social Political Ideology acting more like any Underground Economies out there: However, if you are born in it you may have a chance at loving it, while others would love to see themselves in it rather than NOT!!!

"Fascist Capitalism", well that is very simple, it's what a Fake Democracy or Fake Socialism look like, just like the current forms of Social Political Ideologies in the US & UK today: If you are born in it and have no control over it, you wish you were never born in it, since you have no way out of it!!!

Just saying ...

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Response to PrimeCustodian (Reply #23)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:26 AM

24. Thanks for your input.

It was bullshit, but thanks all the same.

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #24)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:29 AM

25. I know ...

It's a hard PILL to swallow ...

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Response to PrimeCustodian (Reply #25)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:31 AM

26. Pffft! That was fucking lame.

"It's a hard pill to swallow..."

Well, I guess you told me!

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Response to Immacolata (Original post)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:56 AM

27. socialism is still COLLECTIVISM

no matter what name is added in front. collectivism always, ALWAYS ends in the same way, with an aristocratic elite living like royalty and the rest of the people scrambling for toilet paper.

'democratic' socialism is still socialism with the added twist of allowing the peons to vote for candidates hand-picked by elites.

anti-capitalists will point out that capitalism ends the same way, but it's really CRONY-capitalism that they mean. crony capitalism is very close to what we have now, where some of the wealthy influence (buy) government (regulations) for their own business or financial gain and to eliminate their competition.

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Response to FrankHerbert (Reply #27)

Sun May 29, 2016, 11:48 AM

28. FYI

Examples of collectivism:

familyworkchurchsports teams

You do not know what you're talking about. Stop repeating conservative talking points and think for yourself.

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #28)

Sun May 29, 2016, 01:31 PM

29. perhaps you shouldnt always assume

a condescending attitude. may be helpful to you.

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Response to FrankHerbert (Reply #29)

Sun May 29, 2016, 01:37 PM

30. Perhaps you shouldn't use big words.

If you don't know what they actually mean.

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Response to FrankHerbert (Reply #29)

Sun May 29, 2016, 02:15 PM

33. I notice you had no answer whatsoever to the post destroying your premise though...

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Response to FrankHerbert (Reply #27)

Sun May 29, 2016, 01:43 PM

31. I always said that ARISTOCRACY has never left the building, unlike Elvis who really did ...

When you are using "CRONY-Capitalism", do mean to sugar-coat the expression "Fascist-Capitalism"(assuming it's a valid expression of course)?

Other than that ..., you're right "ON"!!!

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Response to PrimeCustodian (Reply #31)

Sun May 29, 2016, 07:25 PM

34. it can also be called

corporatism to some degree. but it boils down to something very close to fascist capitalism.

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Response to FrankHerbert (Reply #34)

Mon May 30, 2016, 08:15 AM

39. Corporatism?: Private Executive Branch of our current Aristocracy minus the MILITARY Institution!

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Corporate Warrior:




The MILITARY Institution:




Current Battlefield:



NOTE: I have nothing but RESPECT for our Fallen Soldiers, but not so much for the "Corporate Warriors"(Assassins mostly).

Thanks for getting back ...

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Response to Immacolata (Original post)

Sun May 29, 2016, 01:51 PM

32. To quote slick Willy

"Who ya gonna believe, me or your lyin eyes"

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Response to Immacolata (Original post)

Sun May 29, 2016, 08:00 PM

35. "a greedy few at the top." <--- why the author can be ignored

 

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Response to Immacolata (Original post)

Mon May 30, 2016, 12:43 AM

38. Thanks for attempting to educate the unread masses here at Discussionist.

It's a noble endeavor and one which deserves support.

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