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Tue May 13, 2014, 08:09 PM

How will this site not turn into a rehash of old fights and banned DUers?

I know that it was founded with the noblest intent but I'm afraid it will quickly descend into TS'ed DUers starting up where they were when they got their pizzas.

If we have a few bumpy weeks full of trolls and end up banning all of them too, it will be the same users as are over at DU now. My faith in internet users to rise above petty arguments and name calling is non existent.

Do any of you have faith in the goodness of anonymous internet citizens or do you think it will turn to muck?

As soon as it appears evident that it's going down the toilets I'm heading back to DU to chat with the screened and authorized bunch that make it worth visiting. I purposefully did not want to use my nom de plume from DU over here, just to avoid picking up any old arguments.

My cynicism aside, I say good luck, noble experiment, we'll see what happens.

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Reply How will this site not turn into a rehash of old fights and banned DUers? (Original post)
Doctor May 2014 OP
The Doctor May 2014 #1
Chuck Schick May 2014 #3
The Doctor May 2014 #6
Doctor What May 2014 #53
Frostlight May 2014 #8
The Doctor May 2014 #12
Doctor May 2014 #9
The Doctor May 2014 #22
Heyu May 2014 #2
Baron Funchausen May 2014 #4
Heyu May 2014 #15
Frostlight May 2014 #5
Heyu May 2014 #14
The Doctor May 2014 #10
Heyu May 2014 #16
iffley May 2014 #7
Roberto smith May 2014 #11
Doctor May 2014 #18
christopher May 2014 #13
iffley May 2014 #20
christopher May 2014 #24
Greggery Peccary May 2014 #17
Conserve1 May 2014 #47
Zutak May 2014 #19
iffley May 2014 #21
NorthwoodsWi May 2014 #23
Dusty Weatherwax May 2014 #25
One Who Grows May 2014 #26
Lorena Baguette May 2014 #27
MercATC May 2014 #28
D.Libby May 2014 #30
MercATC May 2014 #37
Juan Rico May 2014 #38
MercATC May 2014 #39
orson May 2014 #49
MercATC May 2014 #52
D.Libby May 2014 #29
Simon Moon May 2014 #41
ima o ikiru May 2014 #31
Mariscal May 2014 #32
theblueboar May 2014 #33
Mariscal May 2014 #35
Simon Moon May 2014 #42
Mariscal May 2014 #43
Blurt May 2014 #48
Screamer May 2014 #34
Noumenon May 2014 #36
Alexis Rose Bank May 2014 #40
Slayer May 2014 #46
dooropeningfeminist May 2014 #44
blue May 2014 #45
orson May 2014 #51
Blurt May 2014 #50
NorthwoodsWi May 2014 #55
LiftedLorax May 2014 #54
Banned Atheist May 2014 #56
Cardinals1982 May 2014 #57
Silent But Deadly May 2014 #58
mdmc1 May 2014 #59

Response to Doctor (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:11 PM

1. Nice screen name, Doctor.

 

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Response to The Doctor (Reply #1)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:12 PM

3. Doctor.

Doctor.


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Response to Chuck Schick (Reply #3)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:14 PM

6. +1

 

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Response to Chuck Schick (Reply #3)

Thu May 15, 2014, 11:56 AM

53. What?

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Response to The Doctor (Reply #1)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:14 PM

8. I think DU had a "The Doctor", are you him?

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Response to Frostlight (Reply #8)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:17 PM

12. I am not.

 

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Response to The Doctor (Reply #1)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:15 PM

9. Great minds.....

Let's hope.

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Response to Doctor (Reply #9)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:22 PM

22. I'm mostly a Democrat.

 

I'm not a corporate Democrat, however.

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Response to Doctor (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:12 PM

2. I think the whole idea is that the jury system will keep people in line.

On du we have mirt and hosting to keep out the rwers and retreads but here the jury system will deal with it for the most part.

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Response to Heyu (Reply #2)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:13 PM

4. Fear will keep the local systems in line.

Fear of this battle station.

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Response to Baron Funchausen (Reply #4)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:18 PM

15. Use the force.

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Response to Heyu (Reply #2)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:14 PM

5. Nah, here will only be different in that

the wingnuts will exploit the jury system far more than certain abusers did on DU.

It'll be fun to watch.

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Response to Frostlight (Reply #5)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:17 PM

14. time will tell.

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Response to The Doctor (Reply #10)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:18 PM

16. indeed!

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Response to Doctor (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:14 PM

7. I'd say the chance of turning to muck is fairly high, but I'm willing to give it a go. n/t

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Response to Doctor (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:15 PM

11. Isn't the point to give members more freedom?

 

Do you miss the tight control of the "MIRT" whose members think they are some important organization like the Secret Service?

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Response to Roberto smith (Reply #11)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:19 PM

18. "freedom" often turns to anarchy (see Youtube comments on any video)

and a web discussion board that falls into anarchy will be about as pleasant to read as a bathroom wall in a truckstop.

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Response to Doctor (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:17 PM

13. As mentioned above, the jury system is meant to keep people somewhat well behaved.

Also, I believe the intent is to attract a certain type of user who does not mind a more open and free-for-all environment. Some people just can't handle it, either because they are too assholeified or because they are too sensitive.

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Response to christopher (Reply #13)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:20 PM

20. The problem will come with the definition of "more open".

Some likely think that means the range of topics and opinions is more open, but expect those opinions to be sincerely held and honestly discussed. Others may think "more open" is an invitation to trollery.

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Response to iffley (Reply #20)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:29 PM

24. It should be interesting to see how it plays out.

I'm finding it rather enjoyable so far. I think most people, even if they disagree politically, will work together to keep the people whose sole intent is to be an asshole from ruining the joint.

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Response to Doctor (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:19 PM

17. For one thing, people are not prejudged based on their user names.

That will help to some degree.

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Response to Greggery Peccary (Reply #17)

Thu May 15, 2014, 11:21 AM

47. Except

For me..lol

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Response to Doctor (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:19 PM

19. Only by jurors having zero tolerance of uncivil behavior

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Response to Zutak (Reply #19)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:20 PM

21. +1000. n/t

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Response to Doctor (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:24 PM

23. I Am A Banned DUer From Dec. 2010 - Dinger

Not here to start anything. My reasons for registering are to (possibly) reconnect with people who might want to do that. I truly am not sure why I was banned, but that was four years ago. A lot has happened in my life since then. I have visited DU and read some of the threads since I was banned. Always good stuff to read there. If you are reading this, and I pissed you off, I am sorry. NEVER was my intent. If, as a banned DUer, I need to be banned now, then I guess it's out of my hands. I am Dinger Mueller on Facebook if you'd like to visit some time.

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Response to NorthwoodsWi (Reply #23)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:19 AM

25. My understanding is that everyone is welcome here. n/t

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Response to Doctor (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:23 AM

26. it will be a great seat in which to consume much popcorn!

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Response to Doctor (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:28 AM

27. It already is

Because some are carrying over their complaints about groups of DUers here. They post about how much they hate this and that group, this or that subject. That kind of thing is designed to reignite old wars.

The only remedy will be if enough people unassociated with DU join this site so all of that stuff fades into the background.

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Response to Doctor (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:32 AM

28. The only DU influences I've seen are the touchy juries.

The DU thought police are out in force. That will hopefully change once the site is better integrated.

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Response to MercATC (Reply #28)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:24 AM

30. Touchy juries wouldn't be a problem, if there were no trigger happy alerters.

They are such delicate flowers

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Response to D.Libby (Reply #30)

Thu May 15, 2014, 08:37 AM

37. I disagree.

Juries are the first line of enforcement against posts that may violate the TOS.

You're never going to get rid of trigger happy alerters in a public forum. It's the responsibility of the jurors to set their personal biases aside and evaluate the post on its content.

Sadly, some people seem to have a problem doing that.

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Response to MercATC (Reply #28)

Thu May 15, 2014, 09:22 AM

38. I've already had one post about firearms hidden, and one of the jurors explicitly admitted

that he voted to hide because he hated guns.

If this keeps up, what's the point?

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Response to Juan Rico (Reply #38)

Thu May 15, 2014, 10:06 AM

39. That's bullshit.

Not your claim, but the juror's statement. Tilting windmills, but perhaps e-mail Skinner with a proposal to remove people like this from the jury pool?

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Response to MercATC (Reply #39)

Thu May 15, 2014, 11:35 AM

49. That problem should resolve itself

as the site becomes more diverse.

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Response to orson (Reply #49)

Thu May 15, 2014, 11:42 AM

52. True...

...but I've always believed that there should be a mechanism to remove certain extremists from the jury pool.

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Response to Doctor (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:56 AM

29. "How will this site not turn into a rehash of old fights and banned DUers?"

Maybe it will. Might be interesting. Let's see what happens

" I purposefully did not want to use my nom de plume from DU"

That is not possible anyway

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Response to D.Libby (Reply #29)

Thu May 15, 2014, 10:14 AM

41. It is very possible, you need to merely ask

The reason you can't choose an active DU username without asking is simple and sensible, to prevent people other than that user from hijacking that identity.

I remember it being explained. Perhaps you missed it?

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Response to Doctor (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 03:26 AM

31. Old DUer here, bpilgrim, and I think not having thought police will make this place an improvment

I believe that devolves any site over time into an echo chamber that serves no value to anyone except the thought police.

I have high hopes for this place, a place to have passionate, yet civil debate and discussion without fear of being kicked off for have a different POV.

I for one am very excited

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Response to Doctor (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 08:55 AM

32. With all due respect.......

"screened and authorized users"?

DU is crawling with dozens of Teflon coated trolls some old time posters, some new.

They IMHO have made the place loathsome.

Frankly I can't imagine how this place could be any worse.

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Response to Mariscal (Reply #32)

Wed May 14, 2014, 08:57 AM

33. +1. And Welcome to Discussionist!

 

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Response to theblueboar (Reply #33)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:39 AM

35. Why back atcha!

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Response to Mariscal (Reply #32)

Thu May 15, 2014, 10:15 AM

42. I can think of one such teflon lifeform

With a rather odd enema fetish.

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Response to Simon Moon (Reply #42)

Thu May 15, 2014, 10:17 AM

43. There are many,

Not sure to whom you refer and I think I'm glad of it.

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Response to Mariscal (Reply #32)

Thu May 15, 2014, 11:27 AM

48. Word +1

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Response to Doctor (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:12 AM

34. Sadly, DU will not open for me still

I think I may be permanently exiled to this place if the admins can't fix my problem.

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Response to Doctor (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:51 AM

36. It requires us to accept the spirit of the terms of service.

DU was wonderful btw, but the restriction to Democratic ideals turned the place a big old purity test where a handful of like-minded posters could appoint themselves the purity patrol.

I consider myself a Democrat, but I was always uncomfortable with sometimes seeing people with good points getting banned because of the purity test and not the validity of their arguments. Obviously I am not talking about trolls, but just the occasional poster that could make a good argument that should have had us going "hmmmmmm, yeah I see that point." Seeing those particular tombstones made my convictions feel weaker in that they had to be defended by silencing.

Of course this is going to be a mess. The Jury system kind of works, but it does depend on a critical mass of people being responsible about enforcing the TOS's spirit. Perhaps a second layer of moderation will be required, where Jurors can be alerted on for going against the letter of the TOS law so that it doesn't go all "Lord of the Flies"-y

I dunno, I am excited about the idea and definitely willing to give it a try!

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Response to Doctor (Original post)

Thu May 15, 2014, 10:12 AM

40. Obviously this site exists because DU isn't terribly interesting with its political police

At DU you can get banned for any slight deviation from the party orthodoxy, with enforcement being completely arbitrary. So you ended up with a selection of head-nodders, among whom no discussion worth having was being had.

If you can't tolerate a differing point of view, perhaps you should stay at DU and not participate here - because you are going to hear it, as long as this site adheres to its mission.

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Response to Alexis Rose Bank (Reply #40)

Thu May 15, 2014, 11:16 AM

46. As long as the cult leaders of du

 

Aren't allowed to take hold of and direct the course it will be fine. The rules of du will ultimately be its demise. There is a reason serious politicos don't post there.

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Response to Doctor (Original post)

Thu May 15, 2014, 10:28 AM

44. If all this place is going to be is an off site Meta

for DUers,it's going to die a quick death. Anyone coming here from outside of DU is going to grow bored with the minutia of DU infighting and leave.

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Response to blue (Reply #45)

Thu May 15, 2014, 11:42 AM

51. Give it time

The site is only 3 days old.

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Response to dooropeningfeminist (Reply #44)

Thu May 15, 2014, 11:37 AM

50. Maybe while the site is mainly comprised of DUers

I think a massive infusion of new blood will change the dynamic. Give it time.

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Response to dooropeningfeminist (Reply #44)

Thu May 15, 2014, 10:22 PM

55. I Don't Know What Meta Is

I was a longtime DUer (Dinger), but was banned in 2010. I never found out why, and there have been others who have asked, but never got an answer. But like I said in another post here, that was 4 years ago, and a lot has happened in my life since then. So, I guess we'll see how this goes. Peace out y'all.

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Response to Doctor (Original post)

Thu May 15, 2014, 03:41 PM

54. It won't. Sorry, I have a cat "helping" me type.

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Response to Doctor (Original post)

Fri May 16, 2014, 12:49 AM

56. Yeah... you're probably right.

I freely confess I used to like pizza a little too much. Zombie food, y'know? No mas. I've been a good lurker for a couple years. Nary a post. Still, I do like the opinion and read LBN every day. Also, the food fights.

Moral of the story: never drink and DU.

ETA: I was not banned for my politics. As hardcore progressive as any... I just couldn't stay out of the Religion forum.

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Response to Doctor (Original post)

Fri May 16, 2014, 12:53 AM

57. We shall see. It is interesting. Rules of engagement will be

 

Much different in that this is open to conservatives, liberals, Paul supporters, and people who just like wide array of subject areas where they can discuss.

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Response to Doctor (Original post)

Fri May 16, 2014, 03:01 AM

58. Because people from conservative sites who are sick of the poor level of discourse

will come in to "do battle" with the (insert insulting name for liberals) and maybe they'll find they enjoy the ideological clashes, assuming they can get away from their instincts to hurl invective at a fellow member of the board.

This is a Be Civil and Let It All Hang Out Board. If everyone acts from that premise it will be a good place for freewheeling discussion, and maybe even some FIGHTS, within boundaries.

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Response to Doctor (Original post)

Fri May 16, 2014, 06:12 AM

59. I got banned for third party advocacy

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